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Will California suspend its own ETS?

Now the jobless rate is 12.3%, 2.25 million Californians are unemployed, and the state government is broke. So Republican Assemblyman Dan Logue has begun collecting signatures for “The Global Warming Solutions Act,” a ballot initiative that would suspend California’s cap-and-trade scheme until the unemployment rate falls below 5.5%. He’s aiming to get it on the November ballot.

No matter what one thinks of climate science, it makes little sense for an individual state to unilaterally impose major new tax and regulatory costs on its own industries. The impact of California’s gesture on global temperatures will be infinitesimal, but the economic impact will make the state even less attractive to start or expand a business.

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Written by Sinclair Davidson

January 11, 2010 at 9:19 pm

Posted in Uncategorized

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  1. Related:

    George Will in WaPo:

    How liberalism destroyed California.

    Kevin Starr, author of an eight-volume — so far — history of the (formerly) Golden State, says that California is “on the verge” of becoming something without an American precedent: “a failed state.”

    C.L.

    January 11, 2010 at 9:32 pm

  2. Good Lord! Common sense!

    Abu Chowdah

    January 11, 2010 at 9:41 pm

  3. No way! California’s ETS must continue – it’s simply too big to fail! There is no limit to the amount of future growth that must be sacrificed and human suffering enforced such that this program can continue for Californian citizens.

    Think of the children.

    Michael Sutcliffe

    January 11, 2010 at 10:18 pm

  4. California is a (financially) degenerate state. Any future GOP president worth his salt would canvass the idea of throwing it out of the union.

    jc

    January 11, 2010 at 10:20 pm

  5. Give it to Mexico if they’ll take it!

    Michael Sutcliffe

    January 11, 2010 at 10:21 pm

  6. More on whay California is a degenerate state and ought to be thrown out of the union.

    It took years for servile liberalism to turn the state into what Voegeli calls a “unionocracy,” run by and for unionized public employees, such as public safety employees who can retire at 50 and receive 90 percent of the final year’s pay for life.

    The American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees is one reason California’s government employees — their numbers grew 24 percent between 1997 and 2007 — are the nation’s most highly compensated. And why California’s economy is being suffocated by the weight of government. And why the state’s budget has little left over for Berkeley.

    jc

    January 11, 2010 at 10:28 pm

  7. It will be interesting to see how they handle a financial implosion of a major state. There’s already talk of a bailout.

    daddy dave

    January 11, 2010 at 10:51 pm

  8. people are going to be really pissed off with these golden pensions. they might be able to fix it by bringing in lots of mexicans to expand the tax base.

    drscroogemcduck

    January 11, 2010 at 10:54 pm

  9. Mexifornia is royally fucked.

    “Between 1990 and 2007,” Voegeli writes, “some 3.4 million more Americans moved from California to one of the other 49 states than moved to California from another state.”

    That is a truly staggering statistic.

    Infidel Tiger

    January 11, 2010 at 10:58 pm

  10. Ha! You mean bringing in millions of people who will overwhelmingly find their way into the bottom income quintiles? Yep, that’ll expand the tax base!

    Michael Fisk

    January 11, 2010 at 11:00 pm

  11. Agreed Michael Sutcliffe. Default on the debt and just hand the fucking thing over to Mexico.

    Michael Fisk

    January 11, 2010 at 11:05 pm

  12. It’ll also screw the Demolition Party up for a few election cycles, too. That’s 50 something electoral college votes we can take out of the Degeneracy Party’s column.

    Michael Fisk

    January 11, 2010 at 11:07 pm

  13. Dad’s:

    I don’t think there’s any appetite for the current congress to pass any leg. that allows for another bailout. It will be seen for what it is: more money going to a Dem(olition) state that shows no potential for ever getting its house in order. Most other Americans would like to see it fry. Good.

    Historically southern Cal was always a heavily GOP state but I don’t know what’s happened so I can’t comment.

    All I know is that rest of the country would be better off without California.

    I don’t even think Mexico would want it.

    jc

    January 11, 2010 at 11:07 pm

  14. The other thing is that all refugees (3.4 million of them) from leftist bastions such as California should be prevented from entering another state unless they can prove that they didn’t vote for the Demolition Party. Otherwise, the very people who have wrecked the state will be allowed to escape the consequences of their actions.

    Michael Fisk

    January 11, 2010 at 11:10 pm

  15. That’s 50 something electoral college votes we can take out of the Degeneracy Party’s column.

    55 to be exact. Such a movement to throw them out would virtually put a GOP lock on the prez.

    jc

    January 11, 2010 at 11:11 pm

  16. Otherwise, the very people who have wrecked the state will be allowed to escape the consequences of their actions.

    They’re already polluting New Mexico, Colorado and a few others too, putting them in the marginals when they used to be heavily GOP.

    The problem with those leaving is that they don’t learn their lesson and vote GOP they pollute the other states by voting Demolition it seems.

    jc

    January 11, 2010 at 11:14 pm

  17. I’m a firm believer in “earned citizenship”, JC. How about all former Californians who want to move to the US must first serve at least 5 years in a North Korean labour camp?

    Michael Fisk

    January 11, 2010 at 11:15 pm

  18. ahahahahahahahahah

    They wouldn’t need to live in a labor camp. Living regular in North Korea would be enough, me thinks.. Lol.

    jc

    January 11, 2010 at 11:17 pm

  19. Californians who want to move to the US must first serve at least 5 years in a North Korean labour camp?

    Sounds perfectly reasonable.

    Michael Sutcliffe

    January 11, 2010 at 11:41 pm

  20. Keynesian fail:

    Associated Press:

    Obama’s spending on bridges and roads has done absolutely nothing to ameliorate unemployment.

    WASHINGTON – Ten months into President Barack Obama’s first economic stimulus plan, a surge in spending on roads and bridges has had no effect on local unemployment and only barely helped the beleaguered construction industry, an Associated Press analysis has found.

    Spend a lot or spend nothing at all, it didn’t matter, the AP analysis showed: Local unemployment rates rose and fell regardless of how much stimulus money Washington poured out for transportation, raising questions about Obama’s argument that more road money would address an “urgent need to accelerate job growth.”

    Obama wants a second stimulus bill from Congress that relies in part on more road and bridge spending, projects the president said are “at the heart of our effort to accelerate job growth.”

    C.L.

    January 12, 2010 at 12:10 am

  21. CL – that isn’t surprising at all. “Stimulus” is almost always a bust.

    Michael Fisk

    January 12, 2010 at 1:24 am

  22. Pfft…

    If the Mexicans came to a State that actually allowed people to build power plants and had a lean, efficient private sector and sane levels of balanced taxation, it would probably be the manufacturing hub of America.

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 12, 2010 at 10:36 am

  23. Yes that’s true SRL.

    California’s decline is all to do with political arrogance. In fact Mexico would probably do a better job of it.

    It should be chucked out of the Union.

    jc

    January 12, 2010 at 11:16 am

  24. a superb example of when progressive agendas collide – since when did you see Marcia Langton on the same side as Tony Abbott?

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/what-right-to-develop-their-land/story-e6frg6zo-1225818205719

    While Macklin bathed in the acclaim of the usual gaggle of human rights worthies (Lowitja O’Donoghue and Mick Dodson were both singled out for special praise in Macklin’s speech, although Noel Pearson was noticeably absent from the encomia), a thousand miles to the north in Kevin Rudd’s home town, the Queensland Labor government was showing precisely what it thought of the rights of indigenous people. By a remarkable coincidence, on the day of Macklin’s announcement, the Bligh government quietly gazetted three major river systems in Cape York – the Archer, Lockhart and Stewart Rivers and their catchments, tributaries and flood plains – under the Queensland Wild Rivers Act 2005. The effect of the gazettal, which covers an area of some 19,000sq km of the peninsula, is to prohibit any meaningful economic development of the area.

    Marcia Langton, professor of indigenous studies at the University of Melbourne, has described the gazettal as a “terminal threat” to the economic future of the local Aboriginal people, who are the principal population of the affected area. The result of the gazettal – which, it should be noted, includes lands that were covered by the Wik decision – is to effectively freeze all use or economic development of the river systems and their adjacent lands, thereby destroying the capacity of traditional owners to earn a livelihood from them. Even Tom Calma, the Rudd government’s Aboriginal Social Justice Commissioner, has expressed “serious concerns” about the effect of the gazettals on “the exercise and enjoyment of indigenous people’s human rights, in particular those concerning cultural and economic development rights to their lands, waters and natural resources”.

    jtfsoon

    January 12, 2010 at 1:08 pm

  25. Between 1990 and 2007,” Voegeli writes, “some 3.4 million more Americans moved from California to one of the other 49 states than moved to California from another state

    California out I go!
    I won’t be coming back oh no!
    Where taxing keeps maxing my banking bill!
    House prices are fallin’!
    Gas prices – appallin’!
    That’s why I can’t hardly wait
    To close up that Golden Gate!
    California out I go!

    TimT

    January 12, 2010 at 1:18 pm


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