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Political cartoons can be very unfair, very offensive and cutting. The Victorian Police Force are the butt of a very funny Indian cartoon.

While I did laugh when I saw it, the fact of the matter is that Indians have been the victim of serious crimes in Victoria and the police, rightly or wrong, have not been perceived as being proactive as they should have been. This is no laughing matter. For that reason this is a good political cartoon. Rather than being indignant, Victoria Police should ignore it, and concentrate on catching the crims.

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Written by Sinclair Davidson

January 8, 2010 at 11:36 pm

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  1. I agree entirely. The almost Danish over-reaction from the police and from “Acting Prime Minister”* Julia Gillard has been absurd. That said, I also think a few more commentators ought to brave enough to point out that India is one of the most racist countries in the world – its prejudice being institutionalised to a literally religious extent. But yes, something strange seems to be happening in Melbourne – perhaps there is a bogan open season on this educated, monied and chattel-brandishing demographic that has begun to reinforce itself with each successive incident.

    *There is no such office.

    C.L.

    January 8, 2010 at 11:51 pm

  2. “*There is no such office.”

    Do you mean there is no commission/similar from the Governor General?

    I can see the point you are trying to make, the ALP putting Julia on display for all to see, but no one’s really complained about this before, AFAIK.

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 9, 2010 at 12:32 am

  3. I certainly can’t remember CL complaining about it before the ALP got in.

    Plus ça change, eh old bean?

    Also, I find this cartoon exactly as unfunny as the Danish ones, for no reason other than the lack of comedy involved. I find offensive, political, sacred-cow-bashing comedy extremely amusing, and have done it semi-professionally, but there is no joke in the above that I can see.

    FDB

    January 9, 2010 at 12:51 am

  4. Complaining? I simply pointed out that there is no such office. Talk about sensitive sausages.

    C.L.

    January 9, 2010 at 12:57 am

  5. The Danish Cartoons were hilarious. They portrayed Mohammed as a terrorist, and Muslims protested by murdering random people.

    Michael Fisk

    January 9, 2010 at 1:14 am

  6. Moreover, I suspect journalists like using the phrase “Acting Prime Minister” for Gillard – partly as a kind of lefty-feminist wish-fulfilment fantasy and partly as a condescending positive discrimination attitude-manipulation set-up for the premiership they actually crave (once the embarrassing Milky Bar Kid can be decently got rid of).

    This seems to be verified by Google:

    Acting Prime Minister Tim Fischer: 10,900 entries.
    Acting Prime Minister John Anderson: 61,300 entries.
    Acting Prime Minister Mark Vaile: 36,100 entries.
    Acting Prime Minister Peter Costello: 10,100 entries.

    Total: 118,400 entries (11 years).

    Acting Prime Minister Julia Gillard: 808,000 entries (2 years).

    C.L.

    January 9, 2010 at 1:19 am

  7. Any Google hits on CL pointing out that there was ‘no such office’ for anyone other than Gillard?

    “They portrayed Mohammed as a terrorist”

    That’s a joke is it? Can you explain what’s funny about it?

    FDB

    January 9, 2010 at 2:12 am

  8. FDB:

    the point is that most reasonable, leveled headed people don’t give rats about acting PM.

    there are a few reasons why camera hog Gillard gets so much press as against say John Anderson.

    Rudd’s always overseas peddling his cred for the UN job

    Gillard loves camera work

    the media seem to think we’re ga ga with a woman in such a high position…( as though maggie thatcher never existed).

    jc

    January 9, 2010 at 2:32 am

  9. Well, I’ve just demonstrated that the phrase has only gone beserk in the past two years (because of a journalistic wish-fulfilment fantasy). Reporters don’t feel the need to spruik for National Party leaders, you see, because a) they’re the enemy; and b) they’re never going to become prime minister (except perhaps briefly, following a death). But Julia’s a girl – plus the left’s preferred leader – and therefore the media like to build her up in the public’s imagination and give her that old Emily’s List helping hand. Ergo: the woman whose “education revolution” appears to be limited to new school toilets and tuckshop counters is referred to, with exaggerated solemnity and frequency, as the “Acting Prime Minister.”

    C.L.

    January 9, 2010 at 2:33 am

  10. It could also simply be that there are more pages on the internet now than there was when Tim Fischer was acting prime minister.

    Yobbo

    January 9, 2010 at 3:17 am

  11. That doesn’t exactly explain 808,000 versus 118,400. Or 808,000 in two years versus Mark Vaile’s 36,100 in two years. The title has been ramped up for cultural/political reasons – that’s perfectly obvious.

    C.L.

    January 9, 2010 at 4:44 am

  12. Acting Prime Minister, Deputy Prime Minister…and that’s enough to start another grassfire in the Liberal Outlands?

    rog

    January 9, 2010 at 7:32 am

  13. Can you explain what’s funny about it?
    .
    my pleasure. It’s funny because its.. what’s the phrase you used?.. .
    “offensive, political, sacred-cow-bashing comedy”
    .
    Given that you like such comedy, what’s not to love?

    daddy dave

    January 9, 2010 at 8:22 am

  14. Abbott agrees with you Sinclair:

    “Look, they have a robust democracy in India. They have full and vigorous free speech. I might not like that kind of thing but I dare say there are Australian cartoons that from time to time the Indians wouldn’t like. So, I just think when it comes to free speech we’ve got to accept the rough with the smooth.”

    http://www.liberal.org.au/news.php?Id=4459

    Matt C

    January 9, 2010 at 9:05 am

  15. My point, Daddy Dave, was that despite enjoying such comedy, there is no humour in this and the Danish cartoons.

    I know explaining a joke can ruin it for everyone, but it seems from the responses that there’s nothing to explain.

    They’re just not jokes.

    FDB

    January 9, 2010 at 9:23 am

  16. okay, I’ll have a stab at it. This cartoon exhibits the following types of humour:
    * mockery
    * sarcasm
    * satire
    .
    I hope that clears things up.

    daddy dave

    January 9, 2010 at 9:56 am

  17. I agree with FDB.

    Being offensive for the sake of being offensive without any cleverness isn’t funny. It’s juvenile, pleb, bogan, call it what you will but funny it’s not. Righties for the sake of opposing political correctness have jettisoned bourgeois values in celebrating this sort of humour.

    I didn’t find this cartoon funny, nor were the Mohammad cartoons funny nor was piss christ (note I am not calling for any of them to be banned or for their producers to be attacked).

    jtfsoon

    January 9, 2010 at 10:26 am

  18. Also if you want to talk about exaggerated indignance look at the Indians. one of the most racist societies on earth which basically adopted the apartheid caste system of its Indo-Aryan invaders as their religious writ and they’re accusing Australian police of being racist? Bugger off. It may well turn out that the fellow who was stabbed was killed by one of his own, just as has been suspected in the recent Sydney murder case.

    jtfsoon

    January 9, 2010 at 10:30 am

  19. I agree with jason. I don’t really find this cartoon funny at all and I always thought the Danish cartoons weren’t funny either and it was just an attempt to be offensive to Muslims.

    I support the right of the Danish paper to publish that junk, but to what purpose other than to piss Muslims off and perhaps cause a few people to be killed.

    I also think there is some sort of cultural issue at play here with these Indians. Perhaps they’re not treated like the princes they are back home.

    jc

    January 9, 2010 at 10:38 am

  20. Actually I thought that cartoon was your basic “third-world press” demonization. I can’t see how you could have thought it funny. It’s just the Indian vs Australia version of the Arab press drawing baby-eating Zionist vampires or an octopus spanning the globe.

    It took no brains to create and just creates a stereotypical characterisation of Australian law enforcement that won’t ever go away.

    Abu Chowdah

    January 9, 2010 at 10:49 am

  21. Does a cartoon have to be “funny”?

    It is a visual opinion

    rog

    January 9, 2010 at 10:57 am

  22. The caste system isn’t caste or racist, it’s a class system

    rog

    January 9, 2010 at 11:00 am

  23. Acting Prime Minister, Deputy Prime Minister…and that’s enough to start another grassfire in the Liberal Outlands?

    It was just a passing observation, Rog. There is no such office and its ubiquity in the past two years has a lefty didactic and wish-fulfilment raison d’etre. If you want grass fires over trivia, years of your boring union-bashing and Howard-worshipping comments at Tim Blair’s are hard to match.

    The Danish cartoons were never meant to be funny. It was a protest over the censorship that had descended over all things Islamic following an author being unable to find an illustrator for a children’s book about Mohammed.

    Jason and JC’s points about Indian racism and sensitivities are spot-on. I hesitate, though, to rule out the possibility of a campaign of thuggery being directed against Indians. All the incidents would need to be examined and analysed before that can be ruled out.

    C.L.

    January 9, 2010 at 11:05 am

  24. “The caste system isn’t caste or racist, it’s a class system”

    That’s highly contentious.

    “Both are right, says Dalit ideologue and writer Chandrabhan Prasad. “Caste and race are not the same, but their implications are same — discrimination on the basis of one’s birth.” He blames “stupid NGOs” for the outcome in Geneva, saying it was a mistake to equate caste with race. “It’s a technical point, which the Indian government exploited to its advantage”.”

    Even if the Indian Government is right and the caste system was racist and now isn’t, it’s a bit too much to cop from these guys when 1/6 of their population is systematically discriminated against, on top of any racism/relgious violence/Northies/Southies crap.

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 9, 2010 at 11:15 am

  25. “There is no such office”

    Yes there is

    rog

    January 9, 2010 at 11:15 am

  26. Charming:

    http://www.google.com.au/search?q=north+indians+vs+south+indians&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a

    #
    North Indians vs South Indians
    North Indians vs South Indians. By Wilson Matthews; Published 06/2/2007 … I have always heard that north Indians and south Indians don’t always get along. …
    http://www.southasianconnection.com/…/North-Indians-vs-South-Indians.html – Cached – Similar
    #
    Why does South Indian men Hate North Indian – Topix
    20 posts – 14 authors – Last post: 8 Feb 2009
    I have seen many south indian good looking men and women and north indian men and women. I live in Australia and have seen a huge mix here. …
    http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TA62D022JN5E0OAK4 – Cached – Similar
    Should India be split into North and South?‎ – 15 Apr 2008
    Great North India v/s Greasy South India‎ – 4 Mar 2008
    Why are South Indian women better looking than their North Indian …‎ – 5 Feb 2008
    Why is South India more ADVANCED than North India?‎ – 2 Feb 2008

    More results from topix.com »

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 9, 2010 at 11:16 am

  27. The cartoon’s score on the funny-o-meter machine (TM) is really beside the point. It’s clearly satirical, therefore it’s humour. Newspaper cartoons are rarely LOL type funny – they’re usually more wry, dry, ironic, nasty, etc, and intended to convey a truth. In this case, it’s attacking the percieved lack on interest by victorian police in what Indians believe is a hate crime.
    .
    It conveyed the sentiment pretty neatly in my opinion, although it didn’t personally make me smile. To find it funny I would have to agree with the premise, that Australians and/or Victorian police are racist. I don’t agree with that… ergo it wasn’t “funny” for me.

    daddy dave

    January 9, 2010 at 11:16 am

  28. I’m starting to think C.L is stuck back in the 1990s

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deputy_Prime_Minister_of_Australia

    I assume the inormation there means she has a commission from the GG.

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 9, 2010 at 11:19 am

  29. Indian racism would only apply to other races (non Indians), the caste system is a social order within the one race.

    rog

    January 9, 2010 at 11:20 am

  30. SRL:

    The right-hand sidebar of the wiki page indicates Gillard was “appointed by GG Michael Jeffries”, and the defining role of the deputy is to assume the responsibilities of the PM when he’s not around.

    DD:

    So you don’t find it funny either. Fancy that, you agreed with me all along. How confusing.

    FDB

    January 9, 2010 at 11:25 am

  31. yes…”information”

    As for Indian racism, were the murder victims Northies or Southies? This could be interesting. The net is sometimes a cesspit of filth and there is a lot of racism in India catallaxy readers may not be aware of:

    http://hindustan.net/discus/messages/211/21320.html?1143547865

    “RACE MIXING IS A TREASON!!!”

    http://indiaculture.net/talk/messages/128/7747.html?975538133

    http://indiablogs.searchindia.com/2009/06/19/incredible-india-27-pregnant-die-bitch/

    Charming stuff.

    I think the Indians are projecting much in the same way the Americans did over the stupid KFC outrage.

    ——————————————————
    The article where Dalit leader, Prasad was quoted:

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/sunday-toi/special-report/Caste-Racism-in-all-but-name/articleshow/4449716.cms

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 9, 2010 at 11:27 am

  32. FDB: right, but I acknowledge that it is “humour”, objectively speaking.

    daddy dave

    January 9, 2010 at 11:29 am

  33. The copper should be holding a bucket of KFC

    tal

    January 9, 2010 at 11:29 am

  34. “Indian racism would only apply to other races (non Indians), the caste system is a social order within the one race.”

    Strictly speaking, rog is right, but the point is specious since by this same argument, the Nazi’s were not racist since the imagined differences between Aryan and non-Aryan were ethnic, not racial. But does anyone, incl. Rog, argue that the Nuremberg laws were not racist? No, they don’t.

    dover_beach

    January 9, 2010 at 11:35 am

  35. The copper should be holding a bucket of KFC
    .
    now that made me LOL.

    daddy dave

    January 9, 2010 at 11:35 am

  36. India, of course, is one of the worst racist toilets on earth – so they really ought not to lay it on too thick. Less than two years ago:

    Monkey chants for Symonds:

    THE ugly spectre of racism has returned to cricket, with sections of the Vadodara crowd subjecting Australian all-rounder Andrew Symonds to monkey chants during yesterday’s one-day international at the IPCL Sports Complex.

    The incident occurred in the second half of the Indian innings when Symonds was fielding on the boundary. An unspecified number of spectators taunted Symonds with the monkey noises, which have been the scourge of European soccer for years.

    C.L.

    January 9, 2010 at 11:46 am

  37. To prove that the office of “Acting Prime Minister” exists, Rog links me to the web page of Deputy Prime Minister Julia Gillard.

    Are you on the booze these days, Rog?

    C.L.

    January 9, 2010 at 11:49 am

  38. I assume the information there means she has a commission from the GG.

    Heroic assumption. All ministers of the Crown do.

    C.L.

    January 9, 2010 at 11:56 am

  39. Sorry C.L., you’re going to have to dumb it down for me why there is “no” Deputy PM.

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 9, 2010 at 11:57 am

  40. CL has this habit of making confected and outrageous claims and then furiously defending them until there is no one standing (most have either left the room, fallen asleep or died)

    rog

    January 9, 2010 at 12:13 pm

  41. So CL, you recognise the legitimacy of the office of Deputy PM, whose entire raison d’etre is to step up and assume the PM’s duties in case of absence or incapacitation, and you acknowledge that when called on to do so, said office holder has always been referred to as ‘Acting Prime Minister’.

    The sum total of your position then – empty partisan whining. Yet again.

    FDB

    January 9, 2010 at 12:19 pm

  42. It’s not a claim. There is no such office as “Acting Prime Minister.” It is also a fact that in the past two years, usage of the title has gone over the top for an essentially didactic/political reason. The outrage from lefties about these facts is very telling – especially in a thread about politics and humour.

    To prove that the office of “Acting Prime Minister” exists, Rog first links me to the web page of Deputy Prime Minister Julia Gillard and then claims that I said she doesn’t exist.

    Again Rog: have you taken to the booze since you married Geoffrey or what?

    C.L.

    January 9, 2010 at 12:20 pm

  43. CL’s claim: there’s such a thing as Deputy PM, but no such office as Acting PM. CL’s implied point is that the use of this term is a way of boosting Gillard’s percieved status.
    It was a snarky one-liner. I’m not convinced it’s worth all the ensuing analysis and debate.

    daddy dave

    January 9, 2010 at 12:24 pm

  44. “It is also a fact that in the past two years, usage of the title has gone over the top for an essentially didactic/political reason.”

    Oh, it’s a fact!

    Okay then.

    It just sounded so exactly like unsubstantiated empty partisan whining you had me all confused. But now I know it’s a fact, why I’ll withdraw from this awesome debate.

    FDB

    January 9, 2010 at 12:27 pm

  45. I recall thread discussions here where we mocked a feminist for saying Sarah Palin wasn’t really a woman. No comment from FDB. Say that Dear Julia is being given a leg-up via exaggerated repetition of her status as “Acting Prime Minister” and lefties go beserk. This tends to confirm what I wrote about them wanting the embarrassing Milky Bar Kid gone as soon as possible so that the School Dunny Revolutionary can be given the gig ASAP. Amazing sensitivity, though. Behead those who insult Acting Proyme Minister of Austroylia.

    C.L.

    January 9, 2010 at 12:28 pm

  46. Oh, it’s a fact!

    Seems to be:

    Acting Prime Minister Tim Fischer: 10,900 entries.
    Acting Prime Minister John Anderson: 61,300 entries.
    Acting Prime Minister Mark Vaile: 36,100 entries.
    Acting Prime Minister Peter Costello: 10,100 entries.

    Total: 118,400 entries (11 years).

    Acting Prime Minister Julia Gillard: 808,000 entries (2 years).

    C.L.

    January 9, 2010 at 12:29 pm

  47. Is she a good actor?

    tal

    January 9, 2010 at 12:30 pm

  48. Yikes. Another attack on an Indian in Melbourne.

    Set on fire.

    C.L.

    January 9, 2010 at 12:34 pm

  49. Jeez louise and thy poured fuel on him and set it alight.

    Remind me why capital punishment has been taking off the table.

    jc

    January 9, 2010 at 12:44 pm

  50. Are these attacks instances of one ethnic minority (Indians) being targeted by another ethnic minority?

    daddy dave

    January 9, 2010 at 12:47 pm

  51. I have some rather colourful comments in moderation

    Google

    Why do Northies hate Southies?

    Why do Northies hate South Indians?

    and go from there. If you are not aware of the racism in India, it may be bit of a shock for you. Perhaps the other comments should be deleted – they are not very civil at all and readers can find the information themselves.

    The murders here may have a bigoted basis and I don’t think we need to take our cues from India.

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 9, 2010 at 12:54 pm

  52. I’d heard the attacks were being committed by Somalian and Sudanese reffos?

    Infidel Tiger

    January 9, 2010 at 12:56 pm

  53. Dad’s

    One report I read suggests that the reason they are targeted is that ;

    a of them work in 711’s, don’t live in great hoods, are walking around late at late catching filthy transport (public) and are seen as passive.

    However on reflection I don’t know why that argument wouldn’t apply say in Sydney which never wants to be left out in any rankings. Does it or is it just melb.?

    My theory is that violent crime isn’t harshly dealt with like it is in say the US. The police in melbourne are basically politicized and the current commissioner is more of a political operative.
    There has been years of violent attacks in the CBD area late at night for years and the fuckers still don’t have a handle on it.

    at times i shake my head at the easy sentences handed out to violent thugs in this country.

    jc

    January 9, 2010 at 12:56 pm

  54. If you had bothered to look CL you would have seen the title in the link ie dpm.gov.au

    rog

    January 9, 2010 at 1:01 pm

  55. That was Andrew Bolt’s take, more or less, JC. The real crisis is about tolerance of violence by a pansified police “force” and a stacked-with-bleeding hearts juduciary. He also rightly pointed out that it’s a bit difficult for Kevin and Acting Proyme Minister Julia Gillard to start insisting we’re not racist when they and their like-minded propagandists are responsible for such travesties of hysterical nonsense as the “stolen generations” and movies like Australia – a film “made and promoted with the help of $80 million of taxpayers’ money, which portrayed us as so racist that we’d actually sent Aboriginal children into the path of the Japanese army during World War II, while carefully evacuating the white ones.”

    I dunno. Seems complex and mysterious at this stage. Somehow I find it hard to believe that four blokes with petrol randomly grabbed and torched any old curry muncher they came across. Smells of inter-gang behaviour or some kind of intra-ethnic commercial trade war.

    C.L.

    January 9, 2010 at 1:08 pm

  56. If you had bothered to look CL you would have seen the title in the link ie dpm.gov.au

    Yeah, I know Rog, you inebriated galoot. I even noted that the site lists her titles at the top. Guess which one is missing.

    C.L.

    January 9, 2010 at 1:09 pm

  57. Gillard says:

    “Any suggestion of that kind is deeply, deeply offensive to the police officers involved and I would absolutely condemn the making of a comment like that,” Ms Gillard said.

    “[The police] have indeed worked in close collaboration with representatives of the Indian community as they’ve gone about this step up in policing.”

    Why doesn’t Gillard stfu. Instead of the cops running outreach programs they ought to be getting their head around violent crime and snuffing it out.

    Who gives a shit if the bozos are “offended”? How about the victims being offended that the cops and the judiciary are useless in handling violent thugs.

    Anyone who sets another alight as the link reports shouldn’t have a hope of ever getting out maximum security until very old age when they can longer do any harm. That ought to be a 30 to life with little probability of parole.

    jc

    January 9, 2010 at 1:10 pm

  58. Who gives a shit if the bozos are “offended”? How about the victims being offended
    .
    The cops are offended, and you should care about that. They’re sensitive petals. They haven’t cried so much since their last leg wax.

    daddy dave

    January 9, 2010 at 1:20 pm

  59. But yes, something strange seems to be happening in Melbourne – perhaps there is a bogan open season on this educated, monied and chattel-brandishing demographic that has begun to reinforce itself with each successive incident.
    .
    Once upon a time Victoria was Victorian. The undesirables were restricted by custom to those places where the parks are the colour of a miner’s trousers and the size of small doors and newspapers blew freely down the street. Nowadays these Pub Rock/Gangsta Rap troglodytes have found the CBD to their liking and the once chic streets are crowded with the lumpen potato sack shaped, jailhouse tatoo’d rolling down the sidewalks, can o’ Jim Beam and coke in one hand, Longbeach fag in th’ other, ashing on their Nike trainers streaked with the sweat of sixteen half-siblings and decade’s dust-worth from their favourite street -corner shouting: ‘Ey Jess, wot’s a faakn Lah-day?
    .
    And to think if a decent, peacoat-wearing gentleman should run his sword thru a few of these human pigeons he’d possibly cop a fine, what? Imagine.
    .
    And all because some pseudo-Mayor decided to promote the CBD as the place to go. Thank you John So.
    .
    Apparently something similar happened in Briz-Vegas. But no-one noticed anything different. 🙂

    Adrien

    January 9, 2010 at 1:41 pm

  60. The cops shouldn’t whinge but it’s not their fault it’s the bloody justice system. I don’t like cops generally speaking but they’re doing it hard here.

    Adrien

    January 9, 2010 at 1:42 pm

  61. They’re trying hard through community outreach programs? Simon Overland (the commish) is an ALP stooge.

    How many cops have been fired or police commanders when their hoods deteriorate into violence?

    Zero?

    “Trying hard” at times isn’t good enough. You want results and you want them quickly. If some high level cop responsible is doing his best and not getting the intended results you replace him and get another.

    the problem is that the government and the cops are in it together and try to protect each other’s backside which is why Overland is perfect for the job.

    The judiciary has basically been turned into an affirmative action program by the current fathead AG (Hulls) and if you select on that basis you end up getting a bunch of pliable monkeys.

    The real problem is that the current opposition is fucking useless and their leader ought to be thrown out on his arse as he’s basically semi-retarded as a result of generational inbreeding inside old WASP families.

    jc

    January 9, 2010 at 2:01 pm

  62. Send in the Dodger. 🙂

    C.L.

    January 9, 2010 at 2:09 pm

  63. Warning bells should have gone off when policing became a university course.

    Infidel Tiger

    January 9, 2010 at 2:19 pm

  64. Is it really? If so then Overland would have graduated at the top of his class.

    He has the shaved-head look that high level intellectuals like Peter Garret and Hives Hamilton sport in order to present a certain, sharp, high IQ image which usually doesn’t meet reality.

    jc

    January 9, 2010 at 2:28 pm

  65. I’ve got an anecdote about that.

    From a cop on the side of the angels who left after some nasty corruption stuff: Their opinion was that women joining the police and educated officers created cultural change that made corruption untenable, except in really petty ways.

    I blame the courts, not the Police. We still have judicial trials.

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 9, 2010 at 2:29 pm

  66. The repeated attacks on Indians demonstrate why policing is never enough on its own in stopping violence. The cops are always late to show up anyway. People must be allowed to carry weapons in public – guns, stun guns, pepper sprays, you name it. Until we allow all law-abiding people the right to conceal and carry, all this stuff about “poor Indians” is just cheap talk. My father used to carry a 303 on the tram on the way home from cadets. That was perfectly legal then. And it should be perfectly legal now.

    Michael Fisk

    January 9, 2010 at 2:43 pm

  67. My father used to carry a 303 on the tram on the way home from cadets.

    That’s true. i recall as a young kid seeing older kids carrying those rifles home and no one battered an eye…. on the train at peak hour too. Imagine the public outcry now. lol

    jc

    January 9, 2010 at 2:47 pm

  68. ‘Does a cartoon have to be “funny”?’

    Well preferabley, yes:

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/12/15/copenhagen-diary-part-1/

    BirdLab

    January 9, 2010 at 2:48 pm

  69. I find the cartoon quite funny, in light of this not-too-long-ago story:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3309963.stm

    Yobbo

    January 9, 2010 at 3:21 pm

  70. True, Fisk. We largely have Howard to thank for this country’s poofy attitude to guns. I can tell you that this whole licence/safe stuff is a pain in the arse. Abbott should promise to overturn those stupid laws.

    C.L.

    January 9, 2010 at 3:33 pm

  71. he’s basically semi-retarded as a result of generational inbreeding inside old WASP families.
    .
    🙂

    Adrien

    January 9, 2010 at 4:37 pm

  72. CL, because I actually want to see Abbott punished for his opportunistic lunge at leadership that he was otherwise never going to get, and (to his surprise) was successful, I would dearly love for you to be his political adviser.

    And when I read Peter Van Onselen write this morning:

    “Abbott is at one with former US president Bill Clinton in suggesting abortions should be safe, legal and rare. That is what most people think. Presumably that makes Abbott a stronger critic of the existing limits to abortion laws in Queensland than Anna Bligh, who isn’t prepared to change the laws.”

    I thought of you and laughed.

    steve from brisbane

    January 9, 2010 at 10:34 pm

  73. I actually want to see Abbott punished for his opportunistic lunge at leadership

    Are you kidding, Steve? All our modern political leaders since Whiltlam have taken a plunge a the big job.

    Accurate as ever.

    jc

    January 9, 2010 at 11:19 pm

  74. Not kidding at all. As Turnbull correctly noted, Abbott was all over the shop on an ETS; and a few months before the leadership spill saying the Coalition should just let it through and get on with life. But when he saw the right wing denial-o-sphere of the Liberals were looking for someone to fly their flag, he was only too happy to put his hand up and say “pick me”. There was no honour in the way he did this, if you ask me.

    steve from brisbane

    January 9, 2010 at 11:25 pm

  75. If only Abbott had shown the same honour Turnbull did when he branch stacked his way into Wentworth.

    Infidel Tiger

    January 9, 2010 at 11:28 pm

  76. Or perhaps the more he understood the ETS was a heap of shit policy he ran a mile.

    Real men can change their minds, Steve. Only beta males don’t admit to mistakes and move on … at least from what I’ve seen.

    In any event you said it was an “opportunistic lunge” (again) and I’ll repeat as though every other modern leader since Whitlam hasn’t taken a shot.

    jc

    January 9, 2010 at 11:33 pm

  77. If I understand his comments correctly, JC, all Abbott was persuaded of was that the “politics” of the ETS had changed. In other words, he sniffed the air that the likes of Bolt and Jones were having a bigger influence in the party than he expected, and here was his opportunity. He has not, as far as I know, said “the policy was wrong from the start and I wrong to say that it should go through.”

    steve from brisbane

    January 9, 2010 at 11:39 pm

  78. Abbott was depressed at the Libs loss of relevance and saw an opportunity with a bunch of agrarian socialists/denialists

    Abbott doesnt have any policies, has never won a political fight, he is a media bovver boy – a punk

    rog

    January 9, 2010 at 11:40 pm

  79. by fight I mean argument

    rog

    January 9, 2010 at 11:41 pm

  80. So, let me get this right. Steve’s objections to Abbott are
    a) Abbott took a lunge at getting the leadership; (by the same principles, he’d object to every political leader ever)
    b) Abbott’s position on abortion doesn’t sit well with Steve (oh well)
    c) he opposed the ETS (to please the right! the horror of it all, having right-wing policies)
    d) he was inconsistent on the ETS (because look at Iron Kev and Steel Penny, never moving an inch)
    .
    I’m getting the impression that Steve you’re not exactly aligned with Abbott, politically speaking…?

    daddy dave

    January 9, 2010 at 11:43 pm

  81. Abbott was depressed at the Libs loss of relevance and saw an opportunity
    .
    yep. There was a gap in the market for some actual right-wing policies.

    daddy dave

    January 9, 2010 at 11:46 pm

  82. We don’t know his policies yet and will judge them as and when they come out. He’s already impressed me by suggesting that free labor markets are a good thing and is unapologetic about elements of workchoices, whereas Turnbull walked away from that fight like a coward not prepared to stick his balls on the line for what i think is an enormously important policy. At least Abbott has been brave enough to do that and not rubber stamp Gillard’s re-regulation of the labor market to the extent where small business (as was reported by the AFR this very morning) doesn’t know what the award system is and how it works now. A few small businesses were saying that there are cases where there are several awards that affect them now.

    The ETS was a shambles of a policy which both Tanner and Rudd have admitted was also being used to redistribute more to their constituencies.

    I elated it looks like it’s dead now. It was a rotten policy for mitigation.

    jc

    January 9, 2010 at 11:52 pm

  83. daddy dave: just to clarify, the reason I raise Abbott and abortion is because I have always felt that CL and other conservative Catholics’ personal dislike of Turnbull was significantly influenced by his being quite liberal as a Catholic, especially when it came to abortion.

    I like to point out that while Abbott may in private hold more conservative views on abortion, he has made it very clear that he would not be doing anything drastic to change the status quo as far as abortion law and funding in Australia is concerned.

    It therefore bothers me that conservative Catholics seem to be giving marks to Abbott for being more like them, when in fact the practical consequences on actual “pro life” outcomes would be exactly the same under him or Turnbull as PM.

    CL will probably pop up to say that there are many, many reasons that he dislikes Turnbull, and it is entirely possible that I am mistaken in suspecting that Turnbull and his neutral stance on abortion has influenced CL. I would be surprised, though.

    steve from brisbane

    January 10, 2010 at 12:04 am

  84. You may be right.
    However, we can be reasonably certain that the private views on abortion were markedly different for Turnbull and Abbott, even if it is politically impossible to do much about their views ( whichever way they go).
    .
    Besides that, it’s a bit of a touchstone for where they stand on a raft of other issues. Conservative catholics are correct in thinking that Abbott will look after their interests more than Turnbull, even if he does nothing on abortion. Which is highly likely given that it’s a closed issue to the public.

    daddy dave

    January 10, 2010 at 12:11 am

  85. The real Tony Abbott

    “Don’t blame me, everyone fuck’s up every now and then”
    ~ God on Tony Abbott.

    “I’m sorry, I’m sorry, oh God am I sorry”
    ~ Tony Abbott on his own existence.

    rog

    January 10, 2010 at 12:43 am

  86. Thanks for contributing, Rog.

    Abu Chowdah

    January 10, 2010 at 12:50 am

  87. Hard to tell who’s more mentally deranged, Rog or Steve. Steve admits that he thinks of me at odd moments during the day in relation to articles he reads on abortion and Mrs Edelsten is now quoting God – to whom he’s closer these days thanks to husband Geoff’s helicopter. As for political advice, Steve counselled last year that the ETS would influence the whole world at Copenhagen (oops) and predicted that voters would blame Nick Minchin for the hot weather. The only weather anyone’s talking about is the record cold temperatures in the northern hemisphere.

    Turnbull secured the leadership after stabbing Brendan Nelson in the back and leaking against him remorselessly; he bungled the biggest doddle of all time in the email affair (thus allowing one of the worst Treasurers in Australian history to get off), was cruising on 14 percent, shut down a party room vote to save face on the now laughable ETS scheme and then lost the leadership, fair and square, to Abbott.

    As Turnbull correctly noted, Abbott was all over the shop on an ETS.

    Sounds like Turnbull on Nelson’s fuel excise cut. He backs it, no he doesn’t, yes he does, no he doesn’t, yes he does …

    Hearing that Peter van Onselen (of, ahem, Edith Cowen University) is wheeling out the already debunked hogwash about Abbott and women is kind of amusing given that he’s probably one of few public intellectuals who has been accused by a senior female political personage of viciousness and stalking.

    In relation to abortion, like Abbott I have never believed in or advocated its re-criminalisation. I can’t think of any prominent Catholics who have. It is a moral crime and the campaign against it is essentially a moral project. Unlike Clinton, Abbott believes (as per the science and the theology) that life begins at conception and that each abortion is the illicit and tragic ending of a life. He doesn’t believe there is any moral “right” to an abortion but rather maintains that the realities of secular politics make his and other believers’ desire to be rid of this enormity a work of persuasion, not of legal stricture. He is also totally unlike Anna Bligh in this respect – Bligh having been a militant pro-abortion leftist since her early days. The only reason she doesn’t change the laws is that it would only further alienate her widely loathed government in a still quite conservative state.

    So the only one laughing is me, Steve, at your woeful ignorance and intellectual ineptitude.

    Finally, I never backed Abbott for the job before the events that led to the spill, do not believe either Turnbull or he had/have any realistic chance of beating Rudd – who has bought himself a fairly comfortable re-election – and I would have no hesitation in agreeing with anyone who suggested that Abbott may be one of the caretaker leaders who carries the party forward to a more realistic time when its re-election is more attainable, before himself fading back into the broader Coalition team. That said, I do indeed admire him and hope he does very well in the months ahead, notwithstanding the aforementioned expectations and the boilerplate Catholic baiting of Labor sycophants and Edith Cowen “academics”.

    C.L.

    January 10, 2010 at 4:02 am

  88. Hard to tell who’s more mentally deranged, Rog or Steve.
    .
    Rog.
    Steve at least is here for discussion.

    daddy dave

    January 10, 2010 at 7:42 am

  89. Glad that CL took the time out to chronicle the Libs weaknesses, saves me the effort.

    rog

    January 10, 2010 at 8:08 am

  90. Yes, it was actually an excellent post Rog. The effort was clearly wasted on you, hence your glib, cretinous response.

    Abu Chowdah

    January 10, 2010 at 8:16 am

  91. Sure thing Abu err CL

    rog

    January 10, 2010 at 9:21 am

  92. Fail.

    Abu Chowdah

    January 10, 2010 at 9:25 am

  93. There was no honour in the way he did this, if you ask me.
    .
    Of course not. He’s a professional.

    Adrien

    January 10, 2010 at 11:16 am

  94. Racism? Mmm. Doesn’t look like it.

    Men detained over Indian’s stabbing death.

    Two men believed to be employed by an Indian-born contract worker found stabbed and burnt in rural NSW have had their passports seized at Sydney Airport, Fairfax reports.

    Ranjodh Singh’s partially burnt body was found beside Wilga Road, Willbriggie, in the Riverina area of south-west NSW on December 29.

    The 25-year-old seasonal worker had been living in Wagga Wagga and was visiting Griffith at the time of his death.

    Two men, believed to be Indian seasonal workers employed by Mr Singh, were arrested at Sydney airport’s departure lounge last Monday as they were about to board a flight to Nepal via Singapore, Fairfax reported.

    C.L.

    January 10, 2010 at 4:31 pm

  95. In that particular case, I mean.

    C.L.

    January 10, 2010 at 4:41 pm


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