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Written by Sinclair Davidson

January 8, 2010 at 10:59 pm

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  1. Christopher Pearson inventories the broken promises of the Rudd government.

    Most amusing:

    “No. I think in future, I think what is appropriate, whoever is the next prime minister of Australia, [is] to adhere to the normal conventions, and the normal convention going back many decades is that, whoever is prime minister, the principal place of residence is the Lodge in Canberra.”

    In fact, the Rudds have used Kirribilli as their summer residence each Christmas and by late March last year, according to Ben Packham of the Herald Sun, the Prime Minister had “spent almost three months (more than 95 nights) at the stunning Kirribilli House since coming to office”.

    12 defence force family healthcare clinics – no such clinics have been built.

    Etc
    Etc…

    C.L.

    January 9, 2010 at 2:03 am

  2. LOL.

    Bill Leak weighs in:

    C.L.

    January 9, 2010 at 2:05 am

  3. The stimulus miracle. Behold the US job numbers:

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/296759.php

    Infidel Tiger

    January 9, 2010 at 12:14 pm

  4. Infidel Tiger

    January 9, 2010 at 12:22 pm

  5. Long before Kevin barged into Cate Blanchett’s maternity room after blowing off John Button’s funeral…

    Remembering one of the weirdest meetings of all time:

    When Elvis Met Nixon.

    C.L.

    January 9, 2010 at 12:57 pm

  6. Mmmmmmm. Boeing 314. Yummy:

    http://planeshots.tumblr.com/

    BirdLab

    January 9, 2010 at 2:59 pm

  7. Birdlab:

    See Boeing’s stock price? 61 and change vs just under 50 when we last spoke.

    they’re now talking about introducing at short range Dreamliner for short haul flights. If they do this and smarten up the 737 making it more dreamlinerish over the next few years and really upgrade the 747 which they are this stock will go to 150 bucks a share in the next 5 years.

    I’m adding more if we head to 55 bucks or if we break above 65.

    They are also quietly diversifying out of highly unionized states to the southern regions where the plants are unionized. If they succeed in doing so in a major way over the next few years this will also put 25 bucks on the stock as anal(ysts) discount 30% of the stocks value as a result of a highly unionized workforce.

    this stock was a freaking generational buy when it hit 30 bucks back in last year’s lows.

    Im also hearing that the airlines are deeply dissatisfied with the lumbering airbus 380 and there are more than one airliner that would dearly love to return them and get in line for the Dreamliner or he revised version of the 747.

    this stock could put someone on retirement easy street.

    Don’t worry about financing the new planes as the US import/Export bank ( government owned) will basically finance all that stuff as they only take airline credit ratings as of minor importance…. (true).

    jc

    January 9, 2010 at 3:10 pm

  8. Look at this swill:
    NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Macquarie Equities Research downgraded shares of Boeing Co. (BA 62.10, +0.50, +0.81%) to neutral from hold on Friday, saying the stock’s value has gotten ahead of itself and now trades at a 13% premium relative to its peers. The stock is up some 20% in the last three months. “Although continued improvement in airline operating metrics has probably driven the move over the past week, Boeing’s 4Q09 earnings in a couple of weeks could lend a dose of reality,” the research firm said. “We think it unlikely that 2010 guidance will provide much upside to current consensus estimates, with cashflow particularly challenged, and only cautious optimism about the current demand environment for new aircraft.” Macquarie raised its price target to $66 from $60. Shares of Boeing slipped a fraction premarket to $61.76.

    The anal(ysts) don’t understand what a huge game-changer the dreamliner and its rub-off effects is.

    Take this research which I read in more detail. They focus on peer valuation comparisons when they ought to be thinking that Boeing’s peers are being left in the freaking dust. There aren’t any peers.

    Morgan stanley’s aviation anal(yst) tried similar shit back in december and down graded the stock because it may run negative cash flow this year … as though negative cash flow in this liquidity rich environment for a firm like Boeing i(n being able to obtain decent financing) is a problem.

    the great thing about this stock is that few people seem to understand that Boeing is essentially changing aviation with the dreamliner. It’s almost like the game changing Iphone. The product comes out and the rest of the players will look like plucked chickens having to compete with commoditized product lines resulting in price competition and relegated to bottom feeding.

    jc

    January 9, 2010 at 3:23 pm

  9. Yes jc. I think I must now acknowledge that I am the first person in the history of the internet to admit I was wrong. The Dreamliner is a beautiful beast and I’m glad that Boeing’s management finally got their act together.

    Comments about the A380 are pretty interesting, and just in terms of Boeing’s stock price, did you retain your shares?

    BirdLab

    January 9, 2010 at 3:58 pm

  10. And on other aviation related matters, it seems we’re about to get a new source of pr0n0graphy:

    http://joshuar.tumblr.com/post/322418912/if-you-know-this-woman-tell-her-that-shes-naked

    BirdLab

    January 9, 2010 at 4:10 pm

  11. I traded out of them at 52 and then got back in at 54. this time I’m staying in.
    Those morgan stanley idiots scared the shit out of me in early Dec.

    jc

    January 9, 2010 at 4:39 pm

  12. There was an interview with Bubba in the last edition of Foreign Affairs magazine. he was asked to name the 3 non-American political leaders who matter most in the world. His first choice: Kevvie!
    .
    It’s an American mag so they weren’t sucking our dick.
    .
    He also says there could be peace in the Mid-East this year. N’uk.

    Adrien

    January 9, 2010 at 5:31 pm

  13. Yea “cliton” of course would say that. i read a few weeks ago that our government was funding his personal charity and named as a donor in the $10 to 20 million range.

    So Cliton was most probably sucking meat as it’s all quid pro quo in leftville. You gotta keep watching the money when it comes ti Cliton.

    In any event if Rudd is one of the top three non-us leaders then we’re all fucked.

    jc

    January 9, 2010 at 5:50 pm

  14. So Rudd dares to use Howard’s Kiribilli pied-a-terre?

    How dare he

    rog

    January 9, 2010 at 6:44 pm

  15. How dare he after he said he wouldn’t, right.

    Not too bright are you, Rog?

    C.L.

    January 9, 2010 at 7:17 pm

  16. For those who don’t live in Sydney, right alongside Kirribilli House is a small park running down to the harbour. Often there are fisherpeople in it at the water’s edge.
    But at the street end of the park is a notice: “Camping Prohibited Without the Permission of North Sydney Council”
    One day I will go to the Council Offices and ask for the form to apply for permission to camp next to the Prime Minister’s house.

    Ken Nielsen

    January 9, 2010 at 7:49 pm

  17. Most boring Edge question ever. How is the internet changing the way you think?
    .
    Too zeitgeisty. Too cliche. Too overdone.

    daddy dave

    January 10, 2010 at 12:14 am

  18. Looks like the war is lost for Harry Reid. His favorability rating in Nevada has plummeted to -19.

    C.L.

    January 10, 2010 at 4:19 am

  19. C.L.

    January 10, 2010 at 4:22 am

  20. Speaking of Harry Reid, turns out he likes to keep the old Democrat tradition of race hatred alive and well:

    Harry Reid apologizes for “light skinned” remark about Obama.

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) apologized today for referring to President Barack Obama as “light skinned” and “with no Negro dialect” in private conversations during the 2008 presidential campaign.

    Robert Byrd will be pleased anyway.

    C.L.

    January 10, 2010 at 1:01 pm

  21. The coincidences of the news cycle can be amazing. Ben Smith at Politico reports on why Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton fell out during the 2008 campaign.

    [A]s Hillary bungled Caroline, Bill’s handling of Ted was even worse. The day after Iowa, he phoned Kennedy and pressed for an endorsement, making the case for his wife. But Bill then went on, belittling Obama in a manner that deeply offended Kennedy. Recounting the conversation later to a friend, Teddy fumed that Clinton had said, a few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee.

    Yasir, masser.

    C.L.

    January 10, 2010 at 1:08 pm

  22. Yea “cliton” of course would say that. i read a few weeks ago that our government was funding his personal charity and named as a donor in the $10 to 20 million range.
    .
    What!? Anyone have a link?
    .
    So Cliton was most probably sucking meat
    .
    No with Bubba it’s the interns that suck the meat. 🙂
    .
    as it’s all quid pro quo in leftville.
    .
    As opposed to the Right who never do that kinda thing. 🙂
    .
    In any event if Rudd is one of the top three non-us leaders then we’re all fucked.
    .
    But Kevvie’s so cuddly and has such good taste in cheese.

    Adrien

    January 10, 2010 at 1:25 pm

  23. Reid apologizes for questioning Obama’s racial authenticity
    .
    Ah the high quality of US political discourse is, as always, dazzling.

    Adrien

    January 10, 2010 at 1:26 pm

  24. Adrien, it’s tawdry, yes, but it’s pretty newsworthy when the most powerful senator in the Congress – the Majority Leader – says a black man is OK because he’s all Denzel ‘n shit and not one of those truly pitch-black nigras. Wouldn’t you say? If he was a Republican, Obama, Sharpton and Jackson – et hoc genus omne – would be salivating with rage and demanding his resignation.

    C.L.

    January 10, 2010 at 1:45 pm

  25. Let’s not forget that Joe Biden famously described Obama as “clean” and “articulate.” I argued here last year that if Obama looked more like Al Sharpton and less like Denzel Washington, the Democrats wouldn’t have nominated him. Looks like my theory has now been confirmed by what were clearly party talking points behind the scenes.

    I’m guessing the Democrats’ apartheid colour system would have stymied Condi Rice – she’s somewhat darker than Obama.

    C.L.

    January 10, 2010 at 1:56 pm

  26. tal

    January 10, 2010 at 2:03 pm

  27. “Why didn’t you come to me like a fucking man and tell me to stop fucking her?”

    Yes, a desperate John Edwards really said that to a campaign aide last year.

    C.L.

    January 10, 2010 at 2:48 pm

  28. a black man is OK because he’s all Denzel ‘n shit and not one of those truly pitch-black nigras.
    .
    Lookee heah homes, them niggaz tawk boo’shee. I put a cap in their ass if the smak ’em yack ’em don’t drop the dice. I death like arsenic. Dat the grain a hit the scratch. Yoh! I’m not flaggin’, but I’m just saggin’.
    .
    Maybe if Obama talked more like dat he’d be down with E Street Crew, Lennox Avenue.

    Adrien

    January 10, 2010 at 2:48 pm

  29. OK, I can see why that last comment may have been moderated.

    C.L.

    January 10, 2010 at 2:48 pm

  30. Tal, you like Hamsters but not Pandas?

    What’s going on? 🙂

    C.L.

    January 10, 2010 at 3:01 pm

  31. I must be feeling whimsical CL
    Check out this!!!!
    http://funster.us/2009/06/panda-elephants-in-thailand/

    tal

    January 10, 2010 at 3:12 pm

  32. CL – don’t forget that about 32% of registered Democrats believe the Jews were responsible for the financial crisis, versus 18% of Republicans.

    Michael Fisk

    January 10, 2010 at 3:18 pm

  33. OK – wow – Tal, that is seriously weird!

    C.L.

    January 10, 2010 at 3:30 pm

  34. On the upside, Fisk, at least most Jews look passably light-skinned. More Seinfeld than Sammy Davis, if you know what I mean.

    C.L.

    January 10, 2010 at 3:32 pm

  35. Wow. Republican Scott Brown one point ahead of Ted Kennedy’s wannabe successor in Massachusetts.

    C.L.

    January 10, 2010 at 3:59 pm

  36. Graeme Bird has done it again:

    These are the Panda-deniers. They want to move our thinking forward to a new and greater enlightenment. They point out correctly that science has established, by peer review, that bears never had, never could, and never will, live off bamboo shoots. They wonder how anything that looks like a teddy bear can get down to serious reproduction.

    I think that this issue should be asserted at the highest political and intellectual circles post haste. It’s fundamental and profound in its implications for the future of humanity.

    Adrien

    January 10, 2010 at 5:16 pm

  37. Panda-deniers?

    Um…

    Panda-deniers?

    C.L.

    January 10, 2010 at 5:27 pm

  38. Don;t laugh CL, it’s a serious geopolitical matter. We should all be very concerned. Who are these ‘Pandas’ really?

    Adrien

    January 10, 2010 at 5:32 pm

  39. The pop-up book of phobias

    tal

    January 10, 2010 at 6:14 pm

  40. More warmenist lies. Yet another climate scandal.

    C.L.

    January 11, 2010 at 2:27 am

  41. Oliver Stone’s new doco will be enlightening
    http://www.thrfeed.com/2010/01/oliver-stone-history-america.html

    tal

    January 11, 2010 at 8:11 am

  42. By golly, Jason, you are right. I was all set to get annoyed at another Calvinist outburst from Hamilton but found he has written a balanced, nuanced discussion of a difficult issue. What’s goin on?

    Stranger is Ross Cameron’s praise for Putin.http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/putin-marks-10-years-of-extraordinary-achievement-20100110-m0n1.html
    I wonder what Cameron is doing these days?

    Ken Nielsen

    January 11, 2010 at 9:10 am

  43. “More warmenist lies. Yet another climate scandal.”

    Yes, and of course, Rahmstorf, who according to Simon Holgate, a sea-level expert at the Proudman Oceanographic Laboratory, is in the habit of “publishing extreme papers just before big conferences like Copenhagen when they are guaranteed attention”, is also a member of ‘the Team’.

    No one should be surprised; unfortunately, ‘the Team’ is often mistaken for constituting the whole climate science community, which it is not.

    dover_beach

    January 11, 2010 at 11:02 am

  44. Churches in Malaysia attacked

    This stupid issue will probably split the Opposition which still consists of an Islamic party and a secular left party in a ridiculous alliance with Anwar Ibrahim’s party as a bridge between the two. This can only play to the current government’s advantage. I wonder how Anwar Ibrahim is going to handle this one.

    My old school would be a prominent target but hasn’t been mentioned in the report yet. If heaven forbid school children actually get killed in one of these firebombings then you might end up with a racial riot spiralling out of control. The government really shouldn’t be so relaxed about all this,

    jtfsoon

    January 11, 2010 at 11:12 am

  45. as to how stupid this issue is. all it boils down to is that Islamic fundamentalists are concerned that their fellow Islamic fundamentalists are so dumb that they might be converted to Christianity by Christians using the word Allah to refer to God.

    I thought the whole point of Islam is that there is only one god and that is the same god of the other books?

    jtfsoon

    January 11, 2010 at 11:21 am

  46. “Graeme Bird has done it again.”

    Unbelievabley, I think I may have found someone even nuttier than the feathered fool:

    http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2010/01/was-rush-limbaugh-attacked.html

    I have no idea of this person’s position on pandas.

    BirdLab

    January 11, 2010 at 11:26 am

  47. “Graeme Bird has done it again.”

    Unbelievabley, I think I may have found someone even nuttier than the feathered fool:

    http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2010/01/was-rush-limbaugh-attacked.html

    I have no idea of this person’s position on pandas.

    BirdLab

    January 11, 2010 at 11:27 am

  48. Has anyone else been a bit puzzled as to how gay friendly the Chinese government suddenly appears to have become? From the Guardian this weekend, news of the first “gay pageant” there (soon after a government endorsed gay bar):

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/10/china-gay-pageant

    My suspicion (it could be completely wrong, who knows) might be that the government has decided to become very pragmatic about it because of the huge imbalance in the gender ratio. With 32 million more men than women under the age of 20, that’s a lot of men looking for sex in the near future. With the government worrying about social unrest, could they be figuring that the more of them who will enter into a gay relationship instead of finding a wife, the better?

    On another gay related matter: am I the only reader who thinks it is getting very tedious of certain regulars here when they say that people or policies they disagree with are gay, poofy, have undergone a sex change, or are a doctor’s wife? It may be slightly amusing once or twice, at the start of a no holds barred exchange, but it is getting repeated here just too much.

    steve from brisbane

    January 11, 2010 at 11:28 am

  49. Scientists predicting Ice Age again.

    The bitter winter afflicting much of the Northern Hemisphere is only the start of a global trend towards cooler weather that is likely to last for 20 or 30 years, say some of the world’s most eminent climate scientists.

    Their predictions – based on an analysis of natural cycles in water temperatures in the Pacific and Atlantic oceans – challenge some of the global warming orthodoxy’s most deeply cherished beliefs, such as the claim that the North Pole will be free of ice in
    summer by 2013.

    According to the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre in Colorado, Arctic summer sea ice has increased by 409,000 square miles, or 26 per cent, since 2007 – and even the most committed global warming activists do not dispute this.

    They say that their research shows that much of the warming was caused by oceanic cycles when they were in a ‘warm mode’ as opposed to the present ‘cold mode’.

    This challenge to the widespread view that the planet is on the brink of an irreversible catastrophe is all the greater because the scientists could never be described as global warming ‘deniers’ or sceptics.

    However, both main British political parties continue to insist that the world is facing imminent disaster without drastic cuts in CO2.

    So much for the science being settled.

    C.L.

    January 11, 2010 at 11:28 am

  50. BirdLab, Graeme Bird has done it again redux. He’s now talked himself into thinking there may be a Sasquatch

    http://graemebird.wordpress.com/2010/01/07/panda-deniersbirds-law-of-persistent-controversies-both-wings-are-wrong-but-the-mainstream-wing-is-always-more-wrong/#comment-26446

    With the Sasquatch movie. I don’t know whether its fake or not. I think its a particularly good fake if it is a fake. No-ones been able to come up with anything close so far. Like with the long arm and elbow bend placement. The really smooth walk and the apparent muscle movement. The long gate for someone apparently in such a big and heavy suit. Its 43 years on an if someone came up with a better fake the effort which would allow them to do so might still leave one with ambiguity about the original. The muscles and breasts I think are really good work.

    jtfsoon

    January 11, 2010 at 11:29 am

  51. Jason I would have expected this sort of thing in Kelantan.And you’re right if something happens in Penang or say Melaka it will be ugly

    tal

    January 11, 2010 at 11:30 am

  52. Well it’s quite logical Jason and a quite brilliant piece of deductive reasoning. Pandas exist so therefore Sasquatch also exists.

    As an addendum, pandas exist so therefore next week I am going to win lotto.

    BirdLab

    January 11, 2010 at 11:35 am

  53. Pandas your time is up

    tal

    January 11, 2010 at 11:38 am

  54. Send in the Christian elephants, Tal.

    C.L.

    January 11, 2010 at 11:48 am

  55. We must stop them before they threaten all of humanity Tal:

    http://www.flickr.com/search/?ss=2&w=all&q=panda&m=text

    BirdLab

    January 11, 2010 at 11:50 am

  56. Maybe Bird is onto a new slogan to be ripped off from the liberty republican caucus:

    “I vote the Sasquatch!”

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 11, 2010 at 11:51 am

  57. On another gay related matter: am I the only reader who thinks it is getting very tedious of certain regulars here when they say that people or policies they disagree with are gay, poofy, have undergone a sex change, or are a doctor’s wife?

    Yes.

    C.L.

    January 11, 2010 at 11:56 am

  58. Gee thanks for that link BirdLab

    tal

    January 11, 2010 at 12:00 pm

  59. Well, of course you would defend your own teenage boy school yard debating technique, CL. Like I said, a couple of times it’s mildly funny; repeated all the time it’s a real drag on the blog.

    steve from brisbane

    January 11, 2010 at 12:01 pm

  60. I tell you Tal, they are going to overwhelm us with the awesome power of cuteness.

    BirdLab

    January 11, 2010 at 12:06 pm

  61. Panda fur makes for a cute coat BirdLab.

    tal

    January 11, 2010 at 12:10 pm

  62. Steve,everyone gets insulted from time to time here (some more than others)
    On the Chinese gay thing the politburo probably think that the guys are practising for a lion dance 🙂

    tal

    January 11, 2010 at 12:28 pm

  63. Funny how CL smears gays, pansies and girly men and then goes ballistic when an obviously alpha he man goes to war on the high seas.

    Is there a doctor in the house?

    rog

    January 11, 2010 at 12:41 pm

  64. Is there a doctor in the house?

    Yes, there is rogette. Geoffrey’s there, answering the phone warding off your creditors.

    jc

    January 11, 2010 at 12:46 pm

  65. answer the question, Rog, you coward.

    Answer the question on the whaling thread how you recently referred to Watson as a terrorist on the high seas and now calling him an hero/alpha male.

    Man up rog.

    jc

    January 11, 2010 at 12:54 pm

  66. Land of Hope and Glory my arse. Britain is an unflushed toilet:

    http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZGU1NzgyOWM0ZGQ3YTI5N2Q0NmEwYjI2YzNkNTMxNzE=

    Infidel Tiger

    January 11, 2010 at 1:02 pm

  67. CL others may be interested.

    Someone explained the other day that one of Bob Santa Maria’s descendants has carefully mapped out a family tree and figured out that the family originated as a result of the Jewish exodus from Spain and settled in southern Italy. They adopted names like Santa Maria to hide they were Jews in the places the moved to.

    jc

    January 11, 2010 at 1:03 pm

  68. That’s interesting and wouldn’t surprise me if it was true.

    Similarly I’ve read that you can tell a Thai has Chinese ancestry if they have a really ultra-long Thai name because they adopted it to hide their origins.

    jtfsoon

    January 11, 2010 at 1:07 pm

  69. Are you Chinese or Nonya-Baba Peranakan Jason?

    tal

    January 11, 2010 at 1:10 pm

  70. Both tal. At least I’m mostly Chinese as far as I know. However my maternal grandpa was a big guy with brownish curly hair and could’ve passed for some sort of polynesian.

    Not all Peranakan are racially mixed. The term is used to refer both to the product of mixed marriages of Chinese traders and Malays in the 16th century as well as Chinese who arrived in M’sia later around the 19th cenrury but also adopted some Malaysian customs like food and clothing.

    I’m definitely of the 2nd category and my grandparents identified as Baba/Nonya (in fact you’ll find both my paternal and maternal grandmas posed for family pictures in sarongs).

    jtfsoon

    January 11, 2010 at 1:21 pm

  71. Maybe if he stopped including his attribute in his resume, he could get a job:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/08/jonah-falcon-man-with-wor_n_412388.html

    steve from brisbane

    January 11, 2010 at 1:27 pm

  72. Well Peranakan food(missing SE Asian food big time)is great.

    tal

    January 11, 2010 at 1:31 pm

  73. oh my god

    jtfsoon

    January 11, 2010 at 1:32 pm

  74. He could a job Steve he’s just not trying hard enough 🙂

    tal

    January 11, 2010 at 1:33 pm

  75. Crime lord’s dildo fell off in raid

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/11/2789384.htm

    jtfsoon

    January 11, 2010 at 1:45 pm

  76. Not Germaine Greer’s finest hour

    tal

    January 11, 2010 at 1:46 pm

  77. Tits and fat chicks last week,peckers and dildos today what diversity 🙂

    tal

    January 11, 2010 at 1:48 pm

  78. Now THIS is technology that everyone can use:

    BirdLab

    January 11, 2010 at 1:57 pm

  79. Hadn’t heard that before, JC. Interesting. Relatedly, I was reading up on the lost tribes of Israel yesterday. It’s quite fascinating. My interest was aroused by the news that the Israeli government is funding a research project looking at whether the Pashtuns of Afghanistan (and the Taliban) are in fact descended from the tribe of Efraim.

    C.L.

    January 11, 2010 at 2:06 pm

  80. Seems Obama and Biden can’t stand each other.

    What a surprise.

    C.L.

    January 11, 2010 at 2:08 pm

  81. May as well make it a trifecta. I found the last line in this story (about a Nevada brothel looking to take on, as a bit of an experiment, a couple of straight male prostitutes) very droll:

    “There are women — a lot of women — who would like and need that option,” he said. “Some women need to pay for that affection that makes them feel human.

    “There are some people who need that and there are some people who are willing to be the tool to make that happen.”

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jkhYJs-pzeyAxnQ2TiJaFfrIyJDw

    steve from brisbane

    January 11, 2010 at 2:14 pm

  82. Well there’s a job for the guy with the big dick

    tal

    January 11, 2010 at 2:31 pm

  83. Surely he’s overqualified.

    steve from brisbane

    January 11, 2010 at 2:32 pm

  84. Lazy is what he is Steve 🙂

    tal

    January 11, 2010 at 2:36 pm

  85. Steve, I can recall a similar article a couple of years ago.

    BirdLab

    January 11, 2010 at 2:38 pm

  86. Oh dear,

    Bird thinks the onus is on me to prove there is no sasquatch

    http://graemebird.wordpress.com/2010/01/07/panda-deniersbirds-law-of-persistent-controversies-both-wings-are-wrong-but-the-mainstream-wing-is-always-more-wrong/#comment-26469

    TELL ME HOW IT IS YOU THINK YOU KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA ABOUT BIRDLAB? YOUR EPISTEMOLOGY IS ALL WRONG. YOU ARE SUBJECT TO THE ERRONEOUS AND IDIOTIC EPISTEMOLOGY OF THE SERIAL MONOGAMY OF PARADIGMS. THIS IS ALSO THE EPISTEMOLOGICAL HANDICAP THAT JASON SOON IS UNDER. YOU MIGHT ASK HIM HOW HE MANAGED TO PRE-EMPTIVELY ESTABLISH THE NON-EXISTENCE OF THE SASQUATCH.

    I’D LIKE TO HAVE HIS SPECIAL POWERS IF INDEED HE HAS THEM.

    jtfsoon

    January 11, 2010 at 3:36 pm

  87. I’d hazard that most women in need of a night of having their neglected needs attentively attended would run screaming from a 13 1/2 inch cock.

    It would be a small (or should that be large?) niche market.

    FDB

    January 11, 2010 at 3:51 pm

  88. That’s right Jason, he’s yapped himself into a corner yet again, and has been taken in by yet another hoax, as has been pointed out to him:

    http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/Hoaxipedia/Bigfoot_Hoaxes/#Jacko

    This is of course entirely consistent with Bird’s First Law of Reason:

    1) When confronted with evidence, deny actual evidence.

    Closely followed by Bird’s Second Law of Reason:

    2) When exposed as a gigantic dope, carry-on like a Big Girl’s Blouse and go running off to mummy.

    BirdLab

    January 11, 2010 at 4:00 pm

  89. That’s right Jason, he’s yapped himself into a corner yet again, and has been taken in by yet another obvious hoax:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patterson-Gimlin_film#Patterson_and.2For_Gimlin

    This is of course entirely consistent with Bird’s First Law of Reason:

    1) When confronted with evidence, deny actual evidence.

    Closely followed by Bird’s Second Law of Reason:

    2) When exposed as a gigantic dope, carry-on like a Big Girl’s Blouse and go running off to mummy.

    BirdLab

    January 11, 2010 at 4:02 pm

  90. One of the great moments in the history of television:

    Six Million Dollar Man vs. Sasquatch.

    C.L.

    January 11, 2010 at 4:06 pm

  91. Well there’s your evidence right there CL.

    This was a documentary, right?

    BirdLab

    January 11, 2010 at 4:07 pm

  92. FDB hey I’m just trying to get the guy a job 🙂
    BTW how’s your stolen credit card problem going?

    tal

    January 11, 2010 at 4:08 pm

  93. Panda deniers.

    Sasquatch deniers.

    ???

    Why won’t Graeme concentrate on giving to worthy (realistic) cryptid or endangered species research?

    The Zanzipar Leopard is probably worthy of some serious research.

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 11, 2010 at 4:08 pm

  94. That would be because the Zanzibar Leopard probably wasn’t the result of genetic experimentation by alien refugees from the doomed planet Explodia.

    BirdLab

    January 11, 2010 at 4:13 pm

  95. That’s interesting. I was always quietly wondering how long it would take Birdie to find big-foot.

    jc

    January 11, 2010 at 4:15 pm

  96. the gangster with a dildo story is getting more intriguing

    http://www.timeslive.co.za/sundaytimes/article254361.ece

    On the drug-ravaged streets he’s known as Fat Murphy. Feared by many, the burly suspected drug lord is clean-shaven and wears his second wife’s name tattooed on his arm.

    But the man who was banished from a crime-ridden suburb on the Cape Flats by furious residents protesting against alleged drug dealers has now been unmasked – as a hermaphrodite named Hilary.

    Police and the underworld were shocked this week when Fadwaan “Fat” Murphy, 37, stood up in court to face charges of possession of stolen property, and declared under oath that he was born with both male and female sexual organs.

    Police claim they discovered Murphy’s “true” gender when a strap-on penis fell off while he was being searched during a raid at his Kuils River home two weeks ago. …

    Murphy’s mother, Faiza Allie, 59, told the Sunday Times that she tried to bring him up as a girl, but he never wanted to wear dresses.

    “He wanted to wear pants, Nevada’s, and Grasshopper shoes. Not even on Christmas Day did he put on a dress.

    “When he was at school he used to go out of the house with his school dress on, but around the corner he would take it off and go to school in pants. Just before he got home, he would put the dress on again,” she said.

    Murphy was a bright pupil who never failed until he abruptly decided to leave school in Grade 10 – and started running a shebeen.

    Allie said her troubled and short-tempered son wrote her a letter when he was 13. In it he told her there was something that was bothering him, and that there was something wrong “down there”. It was only then that she realised the magnitude of his problem.

    Murphy said: “I would not describe myself as having a sex change – I only had the female parts removed.

    “My kids, a girl of four and a boy of one, come from my testes. I never developed breasts. I look like a man, I talk like a man. I am a man,” he told the Sunday Times.

    Murphy has been married twice and in his teens converted to Islam. He said he was married legally to his first wife and later divorced her in the High Court in Cape Town.

    “How could I have done this if I did not have a legal identity document?” he asked.

    jtfsoon

    January 11, 2010 at 4:23 pm

  97. My god, how did he have kids if he didn’t have a …

    BirdLab

    January 11, 2010 at 4:26 pm

  98. “Hilary” will have a fatwa on his/her head now

    tal

    January 11, 2010 at 4:31 pm

  99. They stuck a needle into his goolies withdrew sperm and used it to fertilise his wife’s eggs.

    Or possibly he has a very small, but functioning willy, and the strap-on was for show.

    Rococo Liberal

    January 11, 2010 at 4:31 pm

  100. I don’t get it. Fat murphy wanted to be male, grew up wanting to be male but had a strap-on entangled beneath his clothes.

    So let me figure this out aloud. S/he was born with both organs, grew up with a desire to have sex with females… But the strap suggests S/he was also interested in males, no?

    jc

    January 11, 2010 at 4:33 pm

  101. Murphy has been married twice and in his teens converted to Islam

    But of course. In the old days prisoners always found God in the Chrisitian sense. These days they seem to be finding Islam a lot.

    jc

    January 11, 2010 at 4:35 pm

  102. Allie said her troubled and short-tempered son wrote her a letter when he was 13. In it he told her there was something that was bothering him, and that there was something wrong “down there”. It was only then that she realised the magnitude of his problem.

    The mother never cleaned/saw the kid naked at an early age? ha? Doesn’t sound very bright.

    I bet the kid was short tempered with that sort of equipment.

    jc

    January 11, 2010 at 4:40 pm

  103. A crime lord with a dildo. Kind of Sonny Corleone in reverse. (Those who’ve read the Puzo book will understand).

    C.L.

    January 11, 2010 at 4:44 pm

  104. Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels featured a crime lord who beat a guy to death with a 15-inch black dildo.

    Infidel Tiger

    January 11, 2010 at 4:50 pm

  105. “FDB hey I’m just trying to get the guy a job :)”

    Yeah, and fair enough. I wasn’t even going to submit that till I thought of the “large niche” gag.

    “BTW how’s your stolen credit card problem going?”

    Still waiting for ANZ to give me a refund, and looking for a lawyer to sue Virgin. I found these guys on Sydney Rd, Brunswick today just walking past, and couldn’t resist jumping on the meme-wagon:

    http://cheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=6428672

    FDB

    January 11, 2010 at 4:58 pm

  106. Dude:

    Go to a real ambulance chaser and share the loot. There are some real greedy real sons of bitches out there that are like bull terriers that won’t let go until they have their 20 kilos of flesh.

    jc

    January 11, 2010 at 5:01 pm

  107. Tiger:

    Get the definitions right dude.

    Dildos are not strap ons and strap ons are not dildos, so strictly speaking the reference to the movie is grossly inaccurate and would be offensive to each user group.

    🙂

    jc

    January 11, 2010 at 5:10 pm

  108. Yeah, I figure Branson can afford it.

    And after spending Nov and Dec touring with my band, and having to read the “Guest Editor: Richard Branson!” inflight mag over and over cos the inflight movies didn’t work, I have no compunction.

    Guess what 1/2 the articles were about? Why, Richard Branson!

    “Just Exactly How Rich and Awesome is Richard Branson?”

    “Richard Branson: Hero or Promethean Ubermensch?”

    “My Mansions – A Guided Tour Of Stuff That Only Awesomely Famous Friends of Richard Branson Usually Get To See”

    I figure he owes me.

    FDB

    January 11, 2010 at 5:10 pm

  109. Yeah sue him FDB get one of his tropical islands

    tal

    January 11, 2010 at 5:46 pm

  110. I would have thought your real argument and legal entanglement is with the bank, FDB. No?

    jc

    January 11, 2010 at 5:50 pm

  111. BidLab

    January 11, 2010 at 5:52 pm

  112. tal: but Islam, at least of the Iranian variety, is very open to sex change operations:

    “Sex changes have been legal since the late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, spiritual leader of the 1979 Islamic revolution, passed a fatwa authorising them nearly 25 years ago. Whereas homosexuality is considered a sin, transsexuality is categorised as an illness subject to cure.” http://tinyurl.com/ny45nv

    He should be under no risk of a fatwa, is my guess.

    steve from brisbane

    January 11, 2010 at 6:05 pm

  113. BirdLab

    January 11, 2010 at 6:08 pm

  114. And JC, why would the strap on mean he is interested in men?

    steve from brisbane

    January 11, 2010 at 6:08 pm

  115. Steve:

    How would you know Fat Murphy wasn’t using the strap-on in male/male sex in which case the old fatwa could very well be used to “sanction” him/her, as we know the old Ayatollah loved gay sex like a hole in the head (literally speaking)

    That’s the trouble with you all along.. you’re always make assumptions based on faulty premises.

    jc

    January 11, 2010 at 6:10 pm

  116. And JC, why would the strap on mean he is interested in men?

    Why would a male use a strap in hetro sex, Steve?

    Perhaps you may not know in which case I would have to explain it to you? Let me….

    Males have penises, Steve, which they insert into vagina’s and receive sexual gratification that way.

    If you’re a hetro male, with a fully functioning penis and desire sex with a female it would be freaking stupid not to use one’s penis and go with a strap on. Don’t you or am i being far too coldly logical in all this?

    jc

    January 11, 2010 at 6:14 pm

  117. JC: no I wouldn’t know which gender he wanted to use it on. But given that it works on both, I didn’t understand your assumption that it indicates he wants to use it with a man.

    I would have thought the insecurity of bearing an underdeveloped penis was the more likely explanation.

    (Now I am tempted to say that the same thing probably explains a lot of commentary on this blog, but I won’t. 🙂 )

    steve from brisbane

    January 11, 2010 at 6:21 pm

  118. BirdLab

    January 11, 2010 at 6:23 pm

  119. Wow That’s a real bod on that super model, Birdlab. How old is Bransen? Checking wiki is around 60.

    That really is the only way to kite ski… having a naked super model hang on to you. Bransen impresses me even more now.

    jc

    January 11, 2010 at 6:30 pm

  120. Richard looks like a real expert kite surfer.

    Having a supermodel hang onto to you while kite surfing looks like an amazing accomplishment.

    jc

    January 11, 2010 at 6:39 pm

  121. It’s really the only way it should be done JC.

    BirdLab

    January 11, 2010 at 6:41 pm

  122. Now I’m convinced that Richard Branson is not real, but a far-fetched, implausible comic book character. I mean come on… he discovered the Sex Pistols and pioneered space tourism? And goes water skiing with naked supermodels wrapped around him on a private tropical island?
    I guess he’s got x-ray vision too.

    daddy dave

    January 11, 2010 at 7:25 pm

  123. His real name is Hank Scorpio AND Arthur Fortune.

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 11, 2010 at 7:26 pm

  124. I guess he’s got x-ray vision too.

    Absolutely. Any 60 year old male able to carry a supermodel on his back while kite surfing, worth a bill or two, owns freaking island and other shit is superman. No question.

    No Clarke Kent disguises here, dads.

    However there is one niggling point about his x-ray vision. If he has x-ray vision why is the super model naked.

    That’s a reasonable point, dads.

    jc

    January 11, 2010 at 7:30 pm

  125. He is clearly the product of Cylon technology. We’re completely fucked.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cylon_(reimagining)#Humanoid_Cylons

    BirdLab

    January 11, 2010 at 7:45 pm

  126. JC what’s the point of having a naked supermodel on your back if others can’t see it 🙂

    tal

    January 11, 2010 at 7:58 pm

  127. There’s a whole host of points there, tal. There are so many points I’d run out of pixels if I had to detail them.

    Who needs other people to see it, if you know she’s holding on for dear life in her birthday suit.

    jc

    January 11, 2010 at 8:03 pm

  128. Now, let me get this straight…..We are going to pass

    a health care plan written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn’t understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn’t read it but exempts themselves from it, to be signed by a president that also hasn’t read  it, with funding administered by a treasury chief whodidn’t pay his taxes…all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that’s nearly broke. 
     
    What could possibly go wrong?   Anonymous

    jc

    January 11, 2010 at 9:05 pm

  129. More stunning revelations on our Doc. Pachauri to come.

    Euroref has more to say. Frankly I can’t wait wish they get on with it.

    After labouring long and mightily, we filed the copy for the Pachauri piece in good time yesterday.

    Ironically, though, we been defeated by the weather. The great exposé on the global warming scammer has succumbed to, er … global warming?

    Actually, it is more prosaic. The heavy snows have hit the retailers hard, right at what would be the height of the January sales. Thus, there have been massive cancellations of display adverts in the newspapers, which in turn has triggered a crisis in what we used to call Fleet Street.

    Thus, tomorrow, The Sunday Telegraph, in common with other Sunday newspapers, is having to scale back production and cut back the size of their papers. Our piece, therefore, has been held over until next week.

    That said, we have some stunning revelations to make – we have clearly landed some blows and there are white flags flying in certain quarters, with “Patchy”, as he likes to call himself, squealing with indignation about a “vendetta.”

    However, perforce, I am in purdah for the time being. My lips are sealed and the blog must remain silent for a week on Patchygate, not through any legal intervention – white flags are being run up the mast in that quarter as well – but simply, I have to give the newspaper the first crack of the whip.

    What we have uncovered though, is only the start. I suggested some time ago that this is so big, it is of staggering proportions. Dr Pachauri and his sidekick, Mrs Robins, aka Ms Ritu Kumar, are only the tip of an extremely large and unsavoury iceberg.

    The warmists had better hope for colder weather, as we are intent on doing some ice melting of our own. Oh! And it’s snowing here – again.

    http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/01/on-hold.html

    jc

    January 11, 2010 at 10:55 pm

  130. This is unbelievable. The sub that found the Centaur found and photographed a slouch hat resting at the bottom of the sea.

    C.L.

    January 12, 2010 at 1:02 am

  131. Hey, Chavez didn’t come through with that free heating for Massachusetts. You know what that means: yes, local Demolition Party bigwigs, including John Kerry, are demanding Obama give them a bailout.

    Prediction spotted elsewhere: Obama will blow into Beantown close to the Massachusetts special election and announce a big fat heating oil giveaway.

    C.L.

    January 12, 2010 at 1:19 am

  132. Deserved praise for Tony Abbott for seeking to overturn “one of the grubbiest political deals in Queensland since Tony Fitzgerald gutted corruption in the state in the late 1980s.”

    More:

    Queensland declared as wild rivers the Archer, Lockhart and Stewart systems on Cape York, banning most economic activity on them, allegedly after Premier Anna Bligh did a deal to clinch Green preferences for last year’s election. Aboriginal leaders Noel and Gerhardt Pearson have led the fight against the law. Attacking it for crippling economic opportunity for indigenous communities, Noel Pearson said the state government was “foreclosing on a future for our people”.

    Mr Rudd’s silence on the Wild Rivers law and moves to World Heritage-list Cape York has been contrasted unfavourably with his professed commitment to boosting economic opportunity for indigenous people to close the gap with other Australians.

    C.L.

    January 12, 2010 at 1:33 am

  133. Mr Rudd’s silence on the Wild Rivers law and moves to World Heritage-list Cape York

    How much of the country is under world heritage now?

    jc

    January 12, 2010 at 1:37 am

  134. I’d estimate an area the size of NSW is under world heritage now.

    Great effort.

    http://www.environment.gov.au/heritage/places/world/index.html

    jc

    January 12, 2010 at 1:40 am

  135. LOL! The Democrats’ apartheid mentality again:

    Blagojevich: I’m ‘blacker than Barack Obama’.

    CHICAGO – Ousted Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich says he’s “blacker than Barack Obama” and tells Esquire magazine that he was a real person in a political arena dominated by phonies.

    Blagojevich, referring to the president as “this guy,” says Obama was elected based simply on hope.

    “What the (expletive)? Everything he’s saying’s on the teleprompter,” Blagojevich told the magazine for a story in its February issue, which hits newsstands Jan. 19.

    C.L.

    January 12, 2010 at 1:49 am

  136. Taking a closer look it seems 1/5 of the country, roughly about the size of Victoria and NSW, are now under world heritage.

    at the rate they’re going my front garden and bricked driveway will be under world heritage pretty soon. Talk about heritage inflation.

    Other countries have placed monuments in world heritage. We’ve put almost the entire size of western Europe under its protection. Way to go.

    jc

    January 12, 2010 at 1:56 am

  137. Ford Steals the 2010 Detroit auto show, proving that CEO’s really do matter. Ford’s CEO is the one of the best in the world.

    http://money.cnn.com/2010/01/11/autos/ford_car_truck_of_year/index.htm

    jc

    January 12, 2010 at 2:27 am

  138. Lindzen’s (& Choi’s) paper on how everyone else is wrong about feedback found to be in error:

    http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/08/a-rebuttal-to-a-cool-climate-paper/

    And before DB or JC say that all “the usual suspects” are the critics, even quasi skeptic Roy Spencer thinks Lindzen got it wrong.

    steve from brisbane

    January 12, 2010 at 8:34 am

  139. “And before DB or JC say that all “the usual suspects” are the critics, even quasi skeptic Roy Spencer thinks Lindzen got it wrong.”

    I have no problem conceding that Lindzen may have got it wrong, and neither, does it appear that Lindzen does, himself. But why, may I ask, do members of ‘the Team’ never go to similar lengths criticising the documented weaknesses of ‘Team’ papers involving Mann, Rahmstorf, Steig, and the like? And why do they lack the courage to admit their own failures?

    We know, for instance, that Simon Holgate, a sea-level expert at the Proudman Oceanographic Laboratory, thinks that Rahmstorf has the habit of “publishing extreme papers just before big conferences like Copenhagen when they are guaranteed attention”. And Rahmstorf probably does this with ‘the Team’s’ full support.

    What was your point again, Steve of B?

    dover_beach

    January 12, 2010 at 8:51 am

  140. I should add that Lindzen and Choi’s formal response to these criticisms should be interesting.

    dover_beach

    January 12, 2010 at 8:56 am

  141. The point, DB, is that your favourite skeptical scientist is trying to prove everyone else is wrong, and appears to have failed.

    Oh – and I see it’s another January and another (I would guess) likely record high temperature in Melbourne. (According to the ABC, min last night of 32.3; previous record 30.6 in 1905, although maybe the Weather Bureau is looking at adjustments before declaring a record later today?)

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/12/2790125.htm?section=justin

    steve from brisbane

    January 12, 2010 at 9:23 am

  142. Hey, why did I just end up in moderation? Is it on for everyone?

    [No. Your IP address changed so the system thinks you are a new commenter – all new commenter go into moderation the first time they comment. Sinc]

    steve from brisbane

    January 12, 2010 at 9:26 am

  143. FFS

    You don’t need to lock up that much land to ensure that rivers remain wild. Introducing fish ramps on existing dams would be more effective anyway to protect threatened native species.

    Steve – like I said to rog, allow Linzden time to respond.

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 12, 2010 at 10:32 am

  144. Sarah Palin has signed with Fox,Andrew Sullivan has upped his meds

    tal

    January 12, 2010 at 10:51 am

  145. “The point, DB, is that your favourite skeptical scientist is trying to prove everyone else is wrong, and appears to have failed.”

    Steve from B, he is not my favourite skeptical scientist but I nevertheless respect his contributions; obviously you haven’t been paying close attention to my comments.

    “Oh – and I see it’s another January and another (I would guess) likely record high temperature in Melbourne. (According to the ABC, min last night of 32.3; previous record 30.6 in 1905, although maybe the Weather Bureau is looking at adjustments before declaring a record later today?)”

    Woopie! You might have noticed the series of records being broken on three continents in the Northern Hemisphere over the last three weeks. And here for your perusal is a comparison of Sea Ice Extent in the Arctic Cryosphere today:

    http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=01&fd=10&fy=1979&sm=01&sd=10&sy=2010

    Notice that although the sea ice extent is slightly smaller now compared to then, the ice is thicker now rather than then; so much for that “rotten ice”.

    dover_beach

    January 12, 2010 at 11:08 am

  146. I finally bought and read Superfreaknomics and found it a surprisingly good read.

    The climate engineering proposal fascinated me. I don’t have it at hand and don’t remember the numbers but the proposal to cool the earth using sulfur dioxide was basically a piddling percentage of the cost to mitigate warming. I’d really like to see some serious discussion among countries about it being used as a last minute option if the climate change people turn out to be correct. It really seems like a no brainer to me that climate engineering as proposed could be a viable and efficient option.

    jtfsoon

    January 12, 2010 at 11:20 am

  147. “Sarah Palin has signed with Fox…”

    Oh tal. What a surprise. What in god’s name else was she going to do? It’s not as if she has any sort of political prospects, having bailed on every ‘career’ she’s ever had:

    http://www.themudflats.net/2010/01/11/palin-signs-deal-with-fox-news-and-were-all-shocked-shocked-we-say/

    BirdLab

    January 12, 2010 at 11:23 am

  148. I would say that the sulfur option would have to be the last though Jason. You can’t have certainty in this and chucking somehting into the atmosphere would have to be agreed to by all countries which I think would only happen if circumstances were dire.

    We could also dump Birdie up there in an air balloon and his farting alone could save us without having to resort to hoses etc. In other words it could even be done cheaper.

    jc

    January 12, 2010 at 11:24 am

  149. Speaking of Birdy, he’s now volunteering to hunt for the Sasquatch

    http://graemebird.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/sasquatch-predjudices-live-on-long-after-the-evidential-picture-has-changed/

    So now homo-Sasquatch helps add to the picture. He is Erectus for sure. But our prejudices change more slowly than the evidential picture. If he’s there than most likely he is our closest relative. We ought to take him seriously. Seriously enough to go out to the bush with the night vision goggles and pop a dart in his ass.

    jtfsoon

    January 12, 2010 at 11:31 am

  150. Jason, the problem with it is that we, as Trenberth claims, are no where near balancing the energy budget of the earth. We wouldn’t know if we were succesful or not employing these geo-engineering proposals.

    dover_beach

    January 12, 2010 at 11:32 am

  151. I says we muster up a collection and send him over to find big foot. It’s a cheap way of reducing internet abuse anyway and perhaps he could actually end up discovering a female big foot in mating season and the rest is history.

    jc

    January 12, 2010 at 11:42 am

  152. What a surprise. What in god’s name else was she going to do? It’s not as if she has any sort of political prospects, having bailed on every ‘career’ she’s ever had.

    Well, she’s doing alright for a citizen Facebooker. She demolished ObamaCare and her approval rating is higher than Obama’s – whose only “career” was being a “community organiser” before serving a whole two years as a senator. (Before bankrupting America in one calendar year).

    C.L.

    January 12, 2010 at 11:55 am

  153. Seeling to trivialise terrorism now that its man is in the White House, Time magazine accidentally concedes that Bush smashed Al Qaeda around the world.

    C.L.

    January 12, 2010 at 11:58 am

  154. Seeking…

    C.L.

    January 12, 2010 at 11:59 am

  155. “…he’s now volunteering to hunt for the Sasquatch”

    What? He’s promising to stage a one-man re-enactment of classic Aussie fillum ‘Wake in Fright?’

    http://www.wakeinfright.com/

    BirdLab

    January 12, 2010 at 11:59 am

  156. “Well, she’s doing alright for a citizen Facebooker.”

    Of course she is CL. She’s a grifter. Always has been, always will be.

    “The gossipy new campaign book that has the political world buzzing portrays Sarah Palin not just as an ignoramus who believed Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11 but also as possibly mentally unstable.

    “Game Change,” the 2008 deconstruction, says the stress of vaulting onto the national stage caused Palin to have wild mood swings.”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/01/11/2010-01-11_new_book_game_change_sarah_palin_believed_.html

    Faux News commentator? Fine. Leader of the free-world? Not so much.

    BirdLab

    January 12, 2010 at 12:05 pm

  157. Jason,

    The idea may be good but it would be shut down in the name of “the precautionary principle”.

    This is why I don’t take global warming seriously. I take the phenomena seriously, but the activists say that they don’t want lower living standards for human life or global socialism but yet it’s the only solution they accept.

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 12, 2010 at 12:06 pm

  158. You seem very obsessed with and frightened by a Facebooker, BirdLab. Understandable I suppose given that her approval rating is higher than Obama’s. As for the “grifter” jibe, it’s laughable coming from a supporter of the former “community organiser” who was the second biggest recipient of GSE bribes in Washington prior to being elected president and bankrupting the United States. As for mental stability, Obama spent 20 years worshipping at a church which taught that the CIA created AIDS to kill black people. On the campaign trail, he said there were 57 states in America. His running mate said President Roosevelt appeared on television in 1929.

    C.L.

    January 12, 2010 at 2:54 pm

  159. Blagojevich is blacker than Obama CL.I can’t keep up with this race thing

    tal

    January 12, 2010 at 2:58 pm

  160. Republican jerk, Michael Bloomberg, launches yet another war:

    Food-nanny Mike declares war on salt in NYers diets.

    Mayor Bloomberg, the mayor who declared war on tobacco, sugary drinks and trans fats, has identified a new public enemy — now he wants to protect New Yorkers from salt.

    Health Commissioner Dr. Thomas Farley launches a campaign today to cut New Yorkers’ sodium intake by one-fifth over five years.

    “If we achieve our goal, we would talk about saving tens of thousands of lives,” Farley said, predicting that deaths from strokes and heart attacks will dramatically fall.

    C.L.

    January 12, 2010 at 3:01 pm

  161. CL:

    To be accurate he left the GOP some time ago, is now an independent and no longer a registered republican.

    jc

    January 12, 2010 at 3:03 pm

  162. That’s good Joe. You’ve got him up to about a 6.5. He seems to be off his meds again.

    BirdLab

    January 12, 2010 at 3:06 pm

  163. I know, it’s like opening a lion cage and then running off and closing it as they sprint towards to you with that famished look.

    jc

    January 12, 2010 at 3:12 pm

  164. …and then poking it with a stick.

    BirdLab

    January 12, 2010 at 3:13 pm

  165. mention Goldman Sachs to him and it’s almost a guaranteed 10er.

    He seems to despise smart, successful, go getter for some reason 🙂

    Envy is a shocking sin.

    jc

    January 12, 2010 at 3:15 pm

  166. C.L.

    January 12, 2010 at 3:15 pm

  167. it’s a game everyone can play.

    I think even Humphreys rates only 2nd after Goldman Sachs

    jtfsoon

    January 12, 2010 at 3:19 pm

  168. Black Republican congressional candidate — and retired Army lieutenant colonel — Allen West, blasts racist Harry Reid. And how:

    Friends, attached is my response to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s comments, which I consider incredibly vile:

    The revelation of Senator Harry Reid’s comments referencing “negro talk” is just indicative of the true sentiment elitist liberals, and indeed the Democratic party, have toward black Americans. The history of the Democrat party is one of slavery, secession, segregation, and now socialism. It is this new aged socialism born from the Johnson Great Society programs that have castigated blacks as victims needing government dependency. One need only to look upon the city of Detroit to ascertain what liberal social welfare policies have produced for the inner city…..the new plantation for black Americans.

    The Ku Klux Klan was birthed by the Democrats as a terrorist wing to intimidate blacks, and whites, who sought to promote economic and education independence and social justice for blacks. What was once overt has just morphed and become covert, yet still exists.

    One can only imagine the insanity and media outrage if Reid’s quote had come from a member of the Republican party. I look forward to hearing from Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton on Reid’s comments……..or has liberal hush money paid for the silence of these proprietors of poverty and victimization theory. Actually, if President Obama had any courage he would demand Reid step down as Senate Majority Leader, and discontinue any support for his Senate reelection…….notice I said “if.” I am quite sure the Soros money which elevated Obama to the position of President has bought his servitude.

    Why am I running for US Congress as a Republican, simple, I would rather stand proudly and be called “Uncle Tom and Sellout” than lose my self-esteem and be considered an inferior by liberals. I understand the legacy of the GOP and the black community….not that revisionist history espoused by liberal educators. I am not, shall never be, and will not raise my daughters to be a part of the liberal 21st century plantation. I am not just some articulate, clean, good speaking negro. I am an American warrior, Congressional candidate, and shall never submit to the collective progressive ideal of inferiority.

    Senator Harry Reid’s comments are disgusting, despicable, and unacceptable. They are representative of how intellectual elite liberals do indeed speak of black Americans in their closed private spaces. Next week I have been invited to NYC to address the Hudson Institute, a conservative organization, conference on “Reclaiming American Liberty”. That invite came to me because I took advantage of the opportunities this great Republic offered. I followed the guidance of my parents and set my standards above all others around me. I speak well and have impeccable communicative skills because my Father and Mother prioritized that quality.

    I shiver to think what my future could have been if I listened to the insidious rhetoric of charlatans such as Harry Reid, and the ambassadors of affirmative action who reside in the Congressional Black Caucus.

    Sure, the “stuck on stupid” blacks are going to address me in derogatory names, but I possess something which they lack; Honor, Integrity, and Character. To them I say, continue to be slaves to the liberals for your vote…….and in a year you will be calling me Congressman West.

    C.L.

    January 12, 2010 at 3:21 pm

  169. C.L. if you haven’t seen Allen West give a speech, do yourself a favour. The man is electrifying.

    Infidel Tiger

    January 12, 2010 at 3:34 pm

  170. As I recall he’s down on banks generally because:

    a) They gave him a loan, thus not protecting him from himself, and he’s not happy about it, and

    b) They refused him a loan, thus protecting him from himself, and he’s not happy about that.

    BirdLab

    January 12, 2010 at 3:34 pm

  171. It’s goldman sachs

    me

    John Humphreys.

    I really am at a loss to understand the intense dislike he has for poor old john who has always been nice to him. He goes after john like a tassie tiger.

    jc

    January 12, 2010 at 3:35 pm

  172. yea he hates banks, birdlab, but he really despises successful people and put those two things together and Goldman Sachs sends him to the nut house.

    jc

    January 12, 2010 at 3:36 pm

  173. I think it’s because Humphreys has failed to see the inherent brilliance of PolPotonomics.

    BirdLab

    January 12, 2010 at 3:39 pm

  174. I posted this reasonable comment and the commie lardball deleted it.

    Can anyone seriously make the case that infiltrating the government and helping yourself to the treasury is capitalism in action?

    Birdie, they not infiltrating the system, as you call it. That’s plain nonsense to any reasonable person. The reason a lot of them have ended up working for the government in senior positions is that they are called to it- to take the job- as they are some of the brightest minds in the world.

    Paulson was tapped by Bush to become Treasury sec. Same with the other guys. They can also afford to do it as they became very wealthy and like a lot of Americans in their positions want to donate their time to the country in giving something back

    I expect THR to say this. Even Philomena. But they would be betraying no-one in doing so.

    I don’t follow you. I certainly don’t think THR would agree with me and the full figured Phil wouldn’t either.

    There is something very very slimy about you Jason Soon. You ought to be spitting on Cambria and yet you are toadying to him.

    Birdie, there are lots of things Jase and I would disagree about, there’s more that we agree with. He’s a nice, smart young dude who doesn’t toady up to anyone. You don’t seem to understand that disagreeing with someone doesn’t mean you have to hate him or her. I suppose that’s the envy thing coming out though, right?

    Now why 2004?

    jc

    January 12, 2010 at 3:40 pm

  175. JC, I think Bird has some wild ideas about lefties. He thinks we’re all in love with Comrade Rudd, for instance, and seemed genuinely shocked when I told him otherwise. And no, not too many lefties are in favour of bailing out the banks, myself included.

    THR

    January 12, 2010 at 3:56 pm

  176. There is something very very slimy about you Jason Soon. You ought to be spitting on Cambria and yet you are toadying to him.

    I’d like to see Bird write a modern manners/etiquette column for say Women’s Weekly

    jtfsoon

    January 12, 2010 at 3:59 pm

  177. Actually the bank bailout was an interesting phenomena as both Main street left and right hated it.

    jc

    January 12, 2010 at 4:00 pm

  178. C.L.

    January 12, 2010 at 4:01 pm

  179. Actually the bank bailout was an interesting phenomena as both Main street left and right hated it

    There’s an analysis from some lefties which views the ‘crisis’ of 2008 as akin to that of 9/11, in the sense that it was used to engineer a ‘state of exception’, during which a raft of highly controversial ’emergency’ measures were instituted. Interestingly, for all the criticism of the bailouts, it was bipartisan policy in the US.

    THR

    January 12, 2010 at 4:02 pm

  180. …for all the criticism of the bailouts, it was bipartisan policy in the US.

    Yea that’s true.

    I really don’t think Main Streeters understand how close it came to the payments system failing and therefore empty supermarket shelves.

    Should there have been a bailout out? In an ideal world certainly not. However the problem was that if there were going to be massive bank bankruptcies that fateful week after the Lehman failure it would have taken about 4 to 6 weeks (is my bet) for the bankruptcy courts to okay a drop for bondholders to equity level, as only the courts could sort through seniority of debt etc.

    The supermarket shelves would have emptied out by then.

    jc

    January 12, 2010 at 4:09 pm

  181. That’s good Jason. He could call it ‘Courtesy for C*nts’.

    BirdLab

    January 12, 2010 at 4:11 pm

  182. re Reid I think this is a bigger blooper

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0110/Teddys_anger.html

    One of the enduring mysteries of the 2008 campaign was what got Ted Kennedy so mad at Bill Clinton. The former president’s entreaties, at some point, backfired, and the explanation has never quite emerged.

    I’ve finally gotten my hands on a copy of Game Change, in which John Heliemann and Mark Halperin report:

    [A]s Hillary bungled Caroline, Bill’s handling of Ted was even worse. The day after Iowa, he phoned Kennedy and pressed for an endorsement, making the case for his wife. But Bill then went on, belittling Obama in a manner that deeply offended Kennedy. Recounting the conversation later to a friend, Teddy fumed that Clinton had said, A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee.

    jtfsoon

    January 12, 2010 at 4:11 pm

  183. Global stasis update:

    SEA water under an East Antarctic ice shelf showed no sign of higher temperatures despite fears of a thaw linked to global warming that could bring higher world ocean levels, first tests showed yesterday.

    Sensors lowered through three holes drilled in the Fimbul Ice Shelf showed the sea water is still around freezing and not at higher temperatures widely blamed for the break-up of 10 shelves on the Antarctic Peninsula, the most northerly part of the frozen continent in West Antarctica.

    “The water under the ice shelf is very close to the freezing point,” Ole Anders Noest of the Norwegian Polar Institute wrote after drilling through the Fimbul, which is between 250m and 400m thick.

    “This situation seems to be stable, suggesting that the melting under the ice shelf does not increase,” he wrote of the first drilling cores.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/antarctic-sea-water-shows-no-sign-of-warming/story-fn3dxity-1225818314421

    dover_beach

    January 12, 2010 at 6:21 pm

  184. Jason, did you catch the “Tyson” DVD? It’s pretty good. Interesting the excellent boxumentaries produced in the last few years. Might have something to do with the dull state of the sport itself – in the heavyweight division, anyway. YouTube excerpt below. Note the chilling/contemptuous death stare at :50 or the eyeballing between Tyson and his opponent at 1:40 and imagine pissing off Tyson at that very moment. Tyson says a lot of his opponents lost before they even got hit out of sheer intimidation and that was definitely true. See his own entry at 1:21!

    Really is a shame he couldn’t be deterred from degenerating into a full-blown psycho. The talent-scouting and work put in by Cus D’Amato and others was qiute touching (essayed in the film) but they couldn’t save him.

    C.L.

    January 12, 2010 at 6:21 pm

  185. In more “a hotter climate may not be such a bad thing” news, I was interested to hear this story on Radio National this morning:

    “As Melbourne and Adelaide suffer through unbearable heat, we’re reminded of the impact of the heat wave one year ago. At least 375 Victorians died during the three day heat wave preceding Black Saturday, more than double the number who perished in the fires themselves. More still died in South Australia and Northern Tasmania.”

    In the interview itself (no transcript available), the researcher made it clear that he was talking about 375 “excess” deaths as a result of the heatwave. (I assume you compare deaths in the period to the average in other non-heatwave periods.)

    It is worth remembering this when people talk about excess deaths being caused by cold weather like that currently being experienced in the Northern Hemisphere. Hot weather is not healthy either.

    http://www.abc.net.au/rn/breakfast/stories/2010/2790191.htm

    steve from brisbane

    January 12, 2010 at 6:25 pm

  186. CL – you’ll enjoy this.

    Sinclair Davidson

    January 12, 2010 at 6:32 pm

  187. At least 375 Victorians died during the three day heat wave preceding Black Saturday, more than double the number who perished in the fires themselves. More still died in South Australia and Northern Tasmania.

    I call bullshit to that and want to see the evidence, not just some enviro loon spewing facts and figures on the environment network- our ABC.

    Let’s see the evidence of that, Steve and not just what those clowns say.

    Mid east countries have regular 50 degree days and I’ve never read of an annual holocaust there. Facts please, not propagandist swill.

    jc

    January 12, 2010 at 6:34 pm

  188. Thanks Steve… Listened to your link… The guy is freaking shyster through and through.

    jc

    January 12, 2010 at 6:40 pm

  189. “Interesting the excellent boxumentaries produced in the last few years. Might have something to do with the dull state of the sport itself”

    Or the fact that MMA is slowly but surely crowding it out.

    FDB

    January 12, 2010 at 6:49 pm

  190. CL, what Tyson says about psychologically beating an opponent even before the beginning the fight rings true. It also brings to mind the final scene of Yoshikawa’s Musashi, when Musashi tells Kojiro as they meet by the shore that he has already lost because in throwing his scabbard into the water, he also cast away his future and life.

    dover_beach

    January 12, 2010 at 7:02 pm

  191. I’m sure your hair trigger reflexes must have something to do with your job, jc, but you’re not making a lot of sense with your comparison with the Middle East.

    Let’s both agree, shall we, that humanity has the technology to survive both freezing temperatures and heat waves. Excess deaths in cold snaps are mainly caused by people being too poor, silly or uneducated to make their shelter warm enough; excess deaths in heat waves are caused by people failing to make their shelter cool enough. (And in both cases, just being outside too long will kill some people too.)

    The researcher pointed out that people in different cities respond to excess heat in different ways, so that (for example) it takes a higher temperature in some cities to cause the same number of excess deaths as in others. Makes sense I think – different architecture could make a big difference, as well as the local climate etc.

    The same thing could be said about cold snaps too.

    So, you can’t say anything reliable about comparing Qatar death rates on a 43 degree day to Melbourne.

    Doesn’t logically alter the fact that excess heat in Melbourne can cause excess deaths.

    steve from brisbane

    January 12, 2010 at 7:10 pm

  192. ’d like to see Bird write a modern manners/etiquette column for say Women’s Weekly
    .
    [deletd]: The Column?

    Adrien

    January 12, 2010 at 7:12 pm

  193. Steve:

    I would like to see the evidence that 375 people were claimed to have died of the heat last year.

    Neville just spouts out the number as a given without actually explaining the evidence and how it was derived. That’s why I’m more or less betting it’s bullshit.

    Anyways I sent him an email asking for substantiation.

    Let’s both agree, shall we, that humanity has the technology to survive both freezing temperatures and heat waves.

    No I don’t. death rates are skewed towards people dying more of the cold weather, not heat. Cold would would obliterate us.

    jc

    January 12, 2010 at 7:15 pm

  194. The “C” bomb is popular lately, Mike someone or other was calling folks c**ts on the whaling thread and now some of you want Graeme to write a column on how to behave like one.Tisk tisk 🙂

    tal

    January 12, 2010 at 7:26 pm

  195. Steve,

    he said that Feb last year was 3 deg warmer than any other feb on record.

    That’s just not true.

    As far as I can tell he either doesn’t know or lied to the ABC listeners.

    jc

    January 12, 2010 at 7:29 pm

  196. “I’d like to see Bird write a modern manners/etiquette column for say Women’s Weekly”

    1) Courtesy for C-bombs
    2) C-bomb: The Column

    and:

    3) The Complete Fucking Idiot’s Guide to Acting Proper You Lying Sack of Shit

    [Edited. Sinc]

    BirdLab

    January 12, 2010 at 7:40 pm

  197. Yes, you are always a perfect gentleman normally with me Birdy.

    Phil at bird’s site.

    This will go down as the most ridiculous comment of the year and it hasn’t even started.

    jc

    January 12, 2010 at 7:43 pm

  198. “I would like to see the evidence that 375 people were claimed to have died of the heat last year.”

    Seeing as you are a bone idle useless blob of ectoplasm JC I looked it up meself

    The Department of Human Services and the State Coroner’s Office have launched separate investigations into how to reduce heat-related deaths, after the three-day heatwave overloaded the health system and filled to capacity the mortuary that only a week later would be full again with victims of the Black Saturday bushfire disaster of February 7, in which at least 210 people died.

    Monash University’s Professor Neville Nicholls analysed funeral notices to estimate a sudden 45 per cent jump in deaths in late January – 100 at least in Melbourne and more than 200 across south-eastern Australia. The three most deadly days were from Wednesday, January 28, to Friday, January 30.

    Professor Nicholls analysed death notices for the following Monday and Tuesday and then compared the number of notices with those placed on the previousMonday and Tuesday, and those for the following week.

    ‘‘By any reckoning, the heatwave at the end of January was a human tragedy,’’ said Professor Nicholls, a leading expert on climate change and extreme events such as heatwaves and bushfires.

    Ambulance Victoria operations manager Paul Holman said the service went into major disaster mode during the heatwave and was busier than at any other time in the service’s history, including during the bushfires.

    In Melbourne, the ambulance service responded to 1600 jobs a day, double the normal figure of 800.

    ‘‘People have forgotten about the heatwave, but it had more of an effect on us than the bushfires,’’ Mr Holman said.

    ‘‘We did more jobs in those four days than we had ever done before.’’

    Mr Holman said the heatwave’s impact was sharpened by the loss of power, and therefore lack of air conditioning, in parts of the state and concern that some hospitals would have to be evacuated.

    The actual toll of the heatwave may prove to be higher than Professor Nicholls’ estimate. Data from the Coroner’s Office reveals that his figures are probably too conservative. Deaths reported to the Coroner during the heatwave were 2.5 times more than at the same time last year.

    ‘‘Everyone here is focused on the bushfires and getting victims back to their families for closure, but the heatwave is certainly on the radar,’’ said Nikki Mecchi, a spokeswoman for State Coroner Judge Jennifer Coate.

    ‘‘We need to see what can be done to protect people from passing away because of the heat.’’

    The Human Services Department has begun collecting data that it hopes will reveal how many people died from the heat, but the task is difficult as extreme heat is not often listed as a cause of death because it exacerbates existing chronic illness, particularly heart problems, and frailties in the aged.

    The heatwave began on January 28, a 43.4 degree day. The next day was 44.3 and the Friday topped 45.1. It was the first time Melbourne had endured three days in a row above 43 degrees, and temperature records were also set across South Australia and northern Tasmania.

    It is not so much the maximum temperature that is harmful, but the average daily temperature, a calculation of the minimum of the day and the maximum.

    In a paper published last year, Professor Nicholls and his Monash colleagues analysed Melbourne data and found that deaths among people aged over 65 jumped by at least 15 per cent when the average daily temperature was more than 30 degrees.

    During the heatwave, average daily temperatures in Melbourne were more than 5 degrees above this threshold.

    Anecdotal reports from health workers and firefighters (who are called out to help some cardiac patients) suggest the number of people suffering major heart problems may have leapt four to five times during the heatwave.

    ‘‘Normally we have quite a high resuscitation rate, but a lot of people collapsed and were found dead,’’ Mr Holman said.

    Peter Hunter, Alfred Health’s director of aged care and rehabilitation, said demand during the heatwave was as high as during the winter peak.

    The Alfred hospital reported a 70 per cent rise in admissions, with many patients arriving in the days after the heatwave suffering cumulative effects.

    rog

    January 12, 2010 at 7:45 pm

  199. Tal, have you seen these pictures of the Crystal Caves in Mexico? I am lost for words:

    http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/11/crystal-giants/crystals-photography

    BirdLab

    January 12, 2010 at 7:45 pm

  200. JC – He was talking about 7 February being the hottest Melbourne February day by 3 degrees.

    By the way, Hansen himself has said that, given what we now know about the powerful warming effects of CFC’s, we never have to worry about the world being plunged into a long ice age again. (Yet I still hear twits sometimes suggesting that it’s OK to pump out CO2 because its better to be too hot than too cold.)

    steve from brisbane

    January 12, 2010 at 7:48 pm

  201. Thanks Rog. JC’s bullshit detector is permanently set at “11” and causes many false positives.

    steve from brisbane

    January 12, 2010 at 7:52 pm

  202. Hang on, Steve not so fast.

    Professor Nicholls analysed death notices for the following Monday and Tuesday and then compared the number of notices with those placed on the previousMonday and Tuesday, and those for the following week.

    ‘‘By any reckoning, the heatwave at the end of January was a human tragedy,’’ said Professor Nicholls, a leading expert on climate change and extreme events such as heatwaves and bushfires.

    First off what exactly did the death notices say and how are you so certain that it wasn’t a statistical cluster.

    That’s an appalling way to determine the death count.
    Two weeks of comparison is enough without even looking to see if there are ever any spikes in 3 day periods. What statistical spikes are there, steve. You know?

    Thanks for the digging up the Age piece Rog. At least you’re useful for a change.

    jc

    January 12, 2010 at 7:56 pm

  203. There’s a paper out there, JC. No point in speculating on how it might be wrong until you read it.

    steve from brisbane

    January 12, 2010 at 7:58 pm

  204. Do you have a link to the paper, Steve? Why do you expect me to prove your point for you.

    Make the claim show the evidence otherwise it’s bullshit.

    jc

    January 12, 2010 at 7:59 pm

  205. Oh sure, JC, it must be bullshit because you can feel it in your water, or something. You spend all your time finding links and papers to correct Bird’s similar intuitions, do you?

    Anyway, your fingers presumably couldn’t be bothered doing the Google and finding the Chief Health Officer’s report:

    http://www.health.vic.gov.au/chiefhealthofficer/publications/heatwave.htm

    Knock yourself out.

    steve from brisbane

    January 12, 2010 at 8:25 pm

  206. People in Australia have always died of heat-related causes. There is a greater number of people in their 70s, 80s and 90s than ever before in history so, of course, the effect today is more noticeable.

    It amuses me that warmenists are running a distraction campaign just now with the world in the midst of record cold and freezing. All of their old tricks have become so rusted on it’s almost embarrassing to observe. I see the AMA is calling for a mass roll-out of subsidised air conditioners for the elderly. Warmenists will, I take it, oppose this carbon intensive madness.

    C.L.

    January 12, 2010 at 8:27 pm

  207. Moderated comment? Catallaxy’s spamometre is behaving rather oddly today.

    C.L.

    January 12, 2010 at 8:30 pm

  208. Tiger, I saw that West speech a few weeks ago. He definitely is gifted as a speaker in the rousing American tradition. I expect we’ll be hearing more from and about him in the years ahead.

    C.L.

    January 12, 2010 at 8:32 pm

  209. Steve:

    Don’t get shitty with me if you make a claim and I ask for evidence. It should be up to you to prove your case, not me.

    I thought it sounded like bullshit and even spent the time listening to the radio discussion to see if the claim was supported in the diatibe and it wasn’t.

    Then hammerhead rog decides to wade in with an Age piece along with tardy abuse because i wanted to see more evidence.

    If you make a claim support it or otherwise be prepared to get called up.

    We still don’t know if there are other statistical clusters/spikes that make Nicholls claim appear to be weak.

    Instead of wading though that crap, I think I’ll wait for his reply. Perhaps you could do the right thing and check it out.

    jc

    January 12, 2010 at 8:34 pm

  210. CL
    I saw Tyson when it came out in the cinemas. It is a very good documentary. The Cus D Amato angle was especially poignant. You get the impression of Tyson as a man child who wouldn’t have gone off the rails if Amato had still been around. Tyson came across as surprisingly articulate. Regarding Tyson’s prowess as a boxer there are some great YouTubes around demonstrating this. His combination of speed and power is amazing.

    You are right about the boxing scene as it applies to heavyweights. Normally you don’t expect heavyweight boxing to be that interesting to watch as they tend to be brawlers and/or end up in some sort of grappling and have to be separated. Ali and Tyson were outliers in that respect. The lighter weight divisions are still interesting to follow e.g. Pacquiao and Mundine leaving their marks through the various weight divisions. I quite admire Mundine as an athlete despite his loopy views on S11.

    jtfsoon

    January 12, 2010 at 8:48 pm

  211. Steve:

    Found it. No problem. there was a big spike that appears to have been cause by the heat wave.

    “There were 374 excess deaths over what would be expected: a 62% increase in total all-cause mortality. The total number of deaths was 980, compared to a mean of 606 for the previous 5 years. The greatest number of deaths occurred in those 75 years or older, representing a 64% increase; ”

    that what I was looking for.

    jc

    January 12, 2010 at 8:51 pm

  212. Mike Tyson is a very intelligent guy. Hasn’t stopped him from saying and doing some very stupid things, but that’s not unusual.

    Tyson quotes: http://kjkolb.tripod.com/homepage/miketysonquotes.html

    Infidel Tiger

    January 12, 2010 at 8:53 pm

  213. yeah Tyson has the verbal skills of a Graeme Bird,

    jtfsoon

    January 12, 2010 at 9:00 pm

  214. I won 12.5 grand on the Evander Hollyfield fight. It was and has been the only sporting bet I’ve ever taken.

    Traders I worked for used to bet heavily on sports with phone bookies and I heard them mumbling about 25:1 odds against Hollyfield. These odds were crazy. A fight is a two man thing so you handicap for who is the better fighter around evens, but you would never put a former world champ at 25:1 who wasn’t in bad shape for the fight. So I stuck 500 bucks on Hollyfield. I was lucky as the odds got absolutely smashed down over the hour back 7:3 or some later.

    Evander won and I got paid out 12 1/2 smackers. That was the fight bet of the century i reckon. The trading desk took in about 90G on that fight

    jc

    January 12, 2010 at 9:12 pm

  215. Lubos Motl on Trenberth et al’s response to Lindzen and Choi:

    Missing black-body radiation

    The last one coincides with mine. Trenberth et al. complain that the black body function is omitted in the list of forcings. When corrected, the feedback coefficient and doubling sensitivity change from -1.1 and 0.5 °C to -0.125 and 0.82 °C. Note that this change is not really “qualitative” because the feedback remains slightly negative and the expected warming is unspectacular.

    That’s probably why this point – arguably the most crisp one – wasn’t written at the beginning of the Trenberth et al. article: the readers could see that even when the most “identifiable” problem is fixed, the warming remains negligible.

    http://motls.blogspot.com/2010/01/ipcc-types-read-lindzen-choi-2009.html#more

    Seems to me the warmists are making bricks without straw.

    dover_beach

    January 13, 2010 at 9:04 am

  216. Motl is a far from credible commentator on climate science IMHO. String physicist with too much time on his hands ‘cos his field of endeavour is going nowhere, I suspect!

    steve from brisbane

    January 13, 2010 at 9:40 am

  217. interesting exchange in LP between the sensible Anna Winter and some of the loopier commenters regarding the Lamborghini case

    http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/01/07/fairness/

    jtfsoon

    January 13, 2010 at 9:58 am

  218. CL – has your comment come out? I can’t see anything in the spam filter (nothing of yours anyway 🙂 ). Your comments do seem to get caught a bit. Pithy comment with a link might be the trigger.

    Sinclair Davidson

    January 13, 2010 at 10:26 am

  219. I like Fran Barlow’s logic that the police are doing the lamborgini driver a favour by holding his car for 28 days.

    Steve Edney

    January 13, 2010 at 10:27 am

  220. I’m not sure what Graeme will make of this Jason, but it looks as the the surface of Mars is composed entirely of vaginas:

    http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/12/photo-of-martian-dun.html

    BirdLab

    January 13, 2010 at 10:54 am

  221. Clear pictures of the trees that Bird kept telling us were growing there.

    Steve Edney

    January 13, 2010 at 11:03 am

  222. BirdLab

    He’d say that Mars is full of ‘f***ing c****’

    jtfsoon

    January 13, 2010 at 11:05 am

  223. Tal draws our attention to an outbreak of the ‘C’ bomb word in recent days. It is unneccesary, so lets keep usage to an absolute minimum if not less. If necessary follow Jason’s example “c****”.

    Sinclair Davidson

    January 13, 2010 at 11:13 am

  224. C.L.

    January 13, 2010 at 11:17 am

  225. Canada’s second-oldest magazine, The Beaver, is changing its name after 90 years.

    …the title is too often censored by online porn filters, preventing it from reaching new online readers…

    “The Beaver was an impediment online,” publisher Deborah Morrison told AFP…

    “Nearly a century ago, it probably seemed the perfect name for a magazine about the fur trade and Canada’s northwest frontier. There was only one interpretation for the word then.”

    C.L.

    January 13, 2010 at 11:21 am

  226. Thanks C.L. that’s a great story.
    After all these years, sabotaged by a porn filter.

    Ken Nielsen

    January 13, 2010 at 11:35 am

  227. Lefties making the world a better place, one euphemism at a time:

    SEATTLE (AP) — Decades ago, poor children became known as “disadvantaged” to soften the stigma of poverty. Then they were “at-risk.” Now, a Washington lawmaker wants to replace those euphemisms with a new one, “at hope.”

    Democratic State Sen. Rosa Franklin says negative labels are hurting kids’ chances for success and she’s not a bit concerned that people will be confused by her proposed rewrite of the 54 places in state law where words like “at risk” and “disadvantaged” are used.

    The bill has gotten a warm welcome among fellow lawmakers, state officials and advocacy groups.

    C.L.

    January 13, 2010 at 11:50 am

  228. Beaver???

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1321860/

    The Beaver (2010)

    Directed by Jodie Foster

    “A guy walks around with a puppet of a beaver on his hand and treats it like a living creature.”

    I’ll be shocked if they pull this off.

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 13, 2010 at 11:52 am

  229. “Democratic State Sen. Rosa Franklin says negative labels are hurting kids’ chances for success and she’s not a bit concerned that people will be confused by her proposed rewrite of the 54 places in state law where words like “at risk” and “disadvantaged” are used.”

    Ahem…

    Lisa: Assistant Groundskeeper Skinner, don’t you think it’s wrong that I can’t get the best math education because I’m a girl?

    Skinner: [sighs] I don’t have any opinions anymore. All I know is that no one is better than anyone else, and everyone is the best at everything.

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 13, 2010 at 11:57 am

  230. Sinc I wasn’t offended by the C bombs,I just had my schoolmarm hat on 🙂

    tal

    January 13, 2010 at 12:21 pm

  231. Tal – I understand. You did have a smiley face up and all. Nonetheless it is possible to have a robust discussion without that sort of thing.

    Sinclair Davidson

    January 13, 2010 at 12:28 pm

  232. Is it true about Andrew Bolt?

    tal

    January 13, 2010 at 12:32 pm

  233. Is what true?

    BirdLab

    January 13, 2010 at 12:37 pm

  234. tal

    January 13, 2010 at 12:42 pm

  235. right, next we’ll hear Mark Bahnisch has been made CEO of Newscorp

    jtfsoon

    January 13, 2010 at 12:47 pm

  236. Newscorps shares will skyrocket

    tal

    January 13, 2010 at 12:50 pm

  237. Woman drives home with dead pensioner wedged in windscreen.

    A Japanese woman who drove home with the body of an 80-year-old pensioner lodged in her windscreen has been arrested.

    Michiko Sato, 23, has been charged with causing a deadly accident and then fleeing the scene.

    Sato struck the elderly woman on a straight stretch of road in central Japan, then drove seven kilometres to her home with the pensioner’s body wedged in her windscreen.

    C.L.

    January 13, 2010 at 12:52 pm

  238. Why on earth does anyone visit a place (Dubai) with a criminal law system like this?:

    The woman, 23, and her British boyfriend, 44, were in Dubai as tourists when they reported to police that she had been raped by a Syrian waiter in the bathroom of a hotel bar, Khamis al-Muzinah, deputy commander of the Dubai police, told Reuters.

    “The police didn’t find any proof that anything happened in the bathroom,” Muzinah said….

    During questioning the following day, the woman told police that she had been sharing a hotel room with her boyfriend and that they had had sex, which led to the couple being arrested.

    “They have been charged for having sex without marriage,” Muzinah said, adding that the police had now handed the case to the public prosecutor, who would decide whether to bring a court case against them. The couple are currently free, he said.

    http://tinyurl.com/ycx48jq

    steve from brisbane

    January 13, 2010 at 12:53 pm

  239. What about your carbon footprint BirdLab?

    tal

    January 13, 2010 at 12:57 pm

  240. That’s some car, Birdlab. I want two of those. Wow.

    I always wondered why they never did a retro with fins as some of them were amazingly beautiful.

    This is the most beautiful car ever made. I think God intervened and helped the German designers 🙂

    jc

    January 13, 2010 at 1:00 pm

  241. CL I’d be a screaming mess,no way could I drive 7 k with a dead body in my windscreen

    tal

    January 13, 2010 at 1:01 pm

  242. I’m speechless JC.

    BirdLab

    January 13, 2010 at 1:11 pm

  243. It seems that JQ has been invited to debate Plimer and Monckton at the Brisbane Institute. He has asked his entourage whether he should do it.
    http://johnquiggin.com/index.php/archives/2010/01/12/a-surprise-invitation/
    The consensus is “don’t go JQ, you’ll only sully yourself by even talking to them”.
    A comment from something called Climate Scientists Australia says that its members have agreed not to debate denialists.

    Ken Nielsen

    January 13, 2010 at 1:37 pm

  244. Hehehehe – well he has being saying for years and years that the ‘debate is over’.

    I think it’s quite interesting that a mainstream lefty crowd, like the Brisbane Institute, is putting on a debate with Monckton and Plimer. On that basis (the host being reputable and irrespective of what he thinks of the opposition) JQ should go.

    Sinclair Davidson

    January 13, 2010 at 2:03 pm

  245. C.L.

    January 13, 2010 at 2:09 pm

  246. What’s with The Age and hoaxes today?

    tal

    January 13, 2010 at 2:10 pm

  247. If JQ’s response to the invitation was negative, you’d think he’d keep quiet about it – that he’d hide the decline, as it were.

    C.L.

    January 13, 2010 at 2:13 pm

  248. Hoax?

    C.L.

    January 13, 2010 at 2:13 pm

  249. I think CL has given the game away. It’s DYI

    http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/Graeme-Bird-New-RBA-Governor

    Jason Soon

    January 13, 2010 at 2:15 pm

  250. It is true about Gore

    tal

    January 13, 2010 at 2:17 pm

  251. I’m cracking up. This is hilarious.

    Are there any about the lambert? Not suggesting anything here of course, but it would be fun to see one and he loves the publicity of any kind, especially height related.

    jc

    January 13, 2010 at 2:33 pm

  252. Reminds me of the early online psychological programme (name forgotten) that you could get to ask questions such as:

    “Does cooking the neighbor’s cat with its fur on and feeding it to your mother make you feel better?”

    Ken Nielsen

    January 13, 2010 at 2:46 pm

  253. Is it legal?

    tal

    January 13, 2010 at 2:49 pm

  254. Oh that looks like fun. How do you get in?

    BirdLab

    January 13, 2010 at 2:51 pm

  255. Yes i think it is, Tal. Tim lambert at one stage tried to steal Tim Blair’s blog for himself as he was envious that Blair was doing so well and he wasn’t.

    I think there was a point that Lambert used at the time that said it was legal as it was an obvious spoof.

    jc

    January 13, 2010 at 2:53 pm

  256. Don’t BirdLab just don’t 🙂

    tal

    January 13, 2010 at 2:55 pm

  257. you’re a smart lad, Birdlab, I’m sure you can work it out

    jtfsoon

    January 13, 2010 at 2:55 pm

  258. I accept your challenge sir.

    BirdLab

    January 13, 2010 at 2:58 pm

  259. Sinclair Davidson

    January 13, 2010 at 2:59 pm

  260. God help us if Graeme gets in on this

    tal

    January 13, 2010 at 3:01 pm

  261. HAHAHAHA!

    I truly laughed out loud.

    C.L.

    January 13, 2010 at 3:11 pm

  262. you simply create the link, Birdlab. The server running their site will return a page for any non-existent query.

    daddy dave

    January 13, 2010 at 3:12 pm

  263. Keynes meets Viagra.

    Or: Great use of ratepayer’s money:

    Paddington Town Hall soon to be earthquake-proof.

    SYDNEY Council plans to earthquake-proof Paddington Town Hall, a building which has yet to experience an earthquake in its 119 year history.
    The Council has lodged a development application for “seismic stiffening” of the clock tower “in the event of seismic tremors” as part of a $2 million refurbishment of Paddington Town Hall, according to Sydney Central.

    This is despite the fact the area has never experienced an earthquake in the 170 years since seismic records began in Australia.

    Last year the Council was criticised for voting to spend $750,000 to earthquake proof Sydney Town Hall, which also has never experienced an earthquake according to seismic records.

    C.L.

    January 13, 2010 at 3:30 pm

  264. BirdLab

    January 13, 2010 at 3:58 pm

  265. “Motl is a far from credible commentator on climate science IMHO.”

    Steve from B, in other words, you have nothing substantive to say in respect to Motl’s argument viz the Trenberth et al response to Lindzen and Choi. Motl is quite credible owing to the fact that he often points to problems in sceptic arguments as he is does ‘Team’ papers.

    dover_beach

    January 13, 2010 at 5:17 pm

  266. tal

    January 13, 2010 at 7:03 pm

  267. So how did Gil the Phreak get banned finally?

    Adrien

    January 13, 2010 at 7:31 pm

  268. I’m not sure Adrian. I think he clutched his pearls and collapsed on the sofa after the last drubbing, and may still be reaching for the smelling salts.

    BirdLab

    January 13, 2010 at 7:36 pm

  269. Phil said she wasn’t coming back until Graeme or Adrien came back

    tal

    January 13, 2010 at 7:40 pm

  270. Sook. He should have known it would all end in tears.

    BirdLab

    January 13, 2010 at 7:46 pm

  271. ….for acting normal Adrien. No one could take her being normal. LOl.

    She got back to loonieville by pretending she’s my wife over at bird’s site and writing scurrilous things about me.

    You may not know this, but during your intermission from webdom, a deep sort of love developed between Phil and Birdie. It was so passionate watching two former inmates find happiness that it made me teary eyed a little and you know how I get misty eyed with sad/happy stories.

    Anyways to cut a bad story short Phil sent birdie some pics of herself and Birdie being the biggest loudmouth on the web loudly proclaimed that phil was very full figured which in Birdie language means she a bit of a lard and which of course I have mentioned from time to time which sends her ape.

    That’s it.

    jc

    January 13, 2010 at 7:46 pm

  272. Phil on her honeymoon

    jtfsoon

    January 13, 2010 at 7:57 pm

  273. lol

    jc

    January 13, 2010 at 8:04 pm

  274. And that was after the liposuction.

    BidLab

    January 13, 2010 at 8:06 pm

  275. They’d have to used 747 engine to fire up that liposuction machine. GE would have had to manufactured the it with that motor spec. as nothing else would have had the stamina. 1000’s of lbs of reverse thrust would be been needed.

    jc

    January 13, 2010 at 8:14 pm

  276. Wasn’t Peggy Phil?

    tal

    January 13, 2010 at 8:15 pm

  277. His identity depends on which voice is speaking to him at any one time Tal.

    BidLab

    January 13, 2010 at 8:18 pm

  278. Tal
    Yea peggy was phil and ironically Phil also posted as “whale” on the blubber threads.

    But what had me stumped was Cyd. Cyd used to come on at the same time as Peggy/Phil/Whale and the language appeared different so it was another person. Cyd also sounded like my old carbon slave, Metromick (to his friends or just Sando).

    The person over at Birdie’s pretending it my spouse sounds awfully like Metromick. I really don’t get it other than metro and Peggy/Phil/Whale are living in harmony. it’s too weird to contemplate.

    jc

    January 13, 2010 at 8:22 pm

  279. I have that problem with the toaster BirdLab.
    JC I see your “wife”is pissing and moaning about you again

    tal

    January 13, 2010 at 8:22 pm

  280. Tal:

    Yea, sad hey. I keep looking over as we’re both watching TV and wondering if she means it all.

    hahahahah

    jc

    January 13, 2010 at 8:25 pm

  281. Phil said she wasn’t coming back until Graeme or Adrien came back
    .
    Maybe I should go away again. 🙂

    Adrien

    January 13, 2010 at 8:29 pm

  282. No Adrien!!!!!!

    tal

    January 13, 2010 at 8:32 pm

  283. Hopefully your wife isn’t into crappy Vogonlike poetry like Phil and Bird JC.

    BidLab

    January 13, 2010 at 8:32 pm

  284. Phil/Pegasus and Wanda/Cyd aren’t coming back any time soon. Although I thought ‘Whale’ might have been Phil.

    Sinclair Davidson

    January 13, 2010 at 8:35 pm

  285. Yeah, stick around Adrian. The tone of the joint has lifted significantly since the psycho-in-chief has been prevented from splashing his deranged wordsoup all over the curtains.

    BidLab

    January 13, 2010 at 8:35 pm

  286. yes Birdlab

    Here’s Phil before the liposuction

    jtfsoon

    January 13, 2010 at 8:38 pm

  287. Phil/Pegasus and Wanda/Cyd aren’t coming back any time soon.
    .
    Thank God for that. She made life quite unpleasant at times. It was trolling in its purest form. Sometimes entire threads would be filled up by her abuse.

    daddy dave

    January 13, 2010 at 8:40 pm

  288. OK, is BirdLab the same person as BidLab?

    [Yes. Same person, can’t spell his own ‘name’. Sinc]

    tal

    January 13, 2010 at 8:43 pm

  289. Although I thought ‘Whale’ might have been Phil.

    In more ways than an exhausted liposuction machine.

    jc

    January 13, 2010 at 8:59 pm

  290. Jason a kind thought for the poor bloke underneath her ….please

    tal

    January 13, 2010 at 9:02 pm

  291. Weird, but i thought Cyd sounded awfully like my old carbon slave, metromick ,or sando to his friends.

    Peggy/phil/whale would spam the site at the same time as Cydney.

    jc

    January 13, 2010 at 9:06 pm

  292. JC do you really think that Phil aka Cyd aka Wanda aka Whale aka Freddy aka Isher is metro Mick?

    tal

    January 13, 2010 at 9:13 pm

  293. Tal – don’t be silly. He’s enjoying himself. 🙂

    Sinclair Davidson

    January 13, 2010 at 9:21 pm

  294. Is he!!! Well to each his own I guess.I’m hoping someone in the room knows CPR

    tal

    January 13, 2010 at 9:23 pm

  295. Tal! He paid good money to be there.

    Sinclair Davidson

    January 13, 2010 at 9:48 pm

  296. THR don’t worry about JC’s “wife” worry that DOCS are going to confiscate your daughter

    tal

    January 13, 2010 at 9:49 pm

  297. If you want to have a debate about Phil aka Cyd aka Wanda aka Whale aka Freddy aka Isher it’ll be a bit slow because I’ll have to retrieve every comment out of the spam filter.

    Sinclair Davidson

    January 13, 2010 at 9:50 pm

  298. Sinc I can’t argue with market forces darl

    tal

    January 13, 2010 at 9:50 pm

  299. Sinc have you worn your new Christmas ties yet?

    tal

    January 13, 2010 at 9:52 pm

  300. No. I don’t often wear ties.

    Sinclair Davidson

    January 13, 2010 at 9:54 pm

  301. Obama in his wisdom has decided to levy a fee on the banking system there to pay for the losses sustained in TARP.

    The only thing is that the Treasury expects to earn a decent amount of money from the banks portion of the TARP whereas the money being lost was thrown at AIG and Detroit. So you punish those that managed to reapy the loans.

    It’s like midas in reverse with these guys. They do everything to fuck things up.

    jc

    January 13, 2010 at 9:55 pm

  302. well you should Sinc

    tal

    January 13, 2010 at 10:02 pm

  303. Yes. I should. I suppose then I’ll have to iron a shirt too. 😦 I have worn my new tweed jacket though.

    Sinclair Davidson

    January 13, 2010 at 10:03 pm

  304. Tal – are you in Melbourne?

    Sinclair Davidson

    January 13, 2010 at 10:04 pm

  305. THR don’t worry about JC’s “wife” worry that DOCS are going to confiscate your daughter

    DOCS: You’ve called the emergency child protection helpline…

    BIRD: Hello? Hello? There’s a revolutionary on the
    internet who’s in league with bankers. He mocks pyramids and reverse speech. Go remove his child.

    DOCS: …

    BIRD: Then sack yourselves, you useless tax eaters.

    DOCS: …

    BIRD: Come on! Do something!

    DOCS: Do you have an actual emergency, sir?

    BIRD: Have you heard of a guy called Cambria? Do you know the Ponzi scheme involving Italian Jews who do bank cash pyramiding for Goldman Sachs? Isn’t it your responsibility?

    DOCS: …

    BIRD: Martian c***s.

    THR

    January 13, 2010 at 10:07 pm

  306. Does your jacket have leather patches on the sleeves? Do you smaoke a pipe? This is important Sinc

    tal

    January 13, 2010 at 10:07 pm

  307. No. You don’t just put leather patches on your jacket – they have to be earned. Don’t smoke a pipe either.

    Sinclair Davidson

    January 13, 2010 at 10:10 pm

  308. OK so leather patches are like epaulets yeah?

    tal

    January 13, 2010 at 10:20 pm

  309. Yes. But I just get new jackets. The old ones are honourably retired.

    Sinclair Davidson

    January 13, 2010 at 10:25 pm

  310. Do you give them to the Salvos?

    tal

    January 13, 2010 at 10:27 pm

  311. No. I don’t give anything to the Salvos. They live in the downstairs clothes cupboard. My sons might fit into them at same stage.

    Sinclair Davidson

    January 13, 2010 at 10:29 pm

  312. Will they ever fill your boots Sinc (totally tongue in cheek not serious)

    tal

    January 13, 2010 at 10:36 pm

  313. It’s really appalling , Tal. I’ve never seen anything as bad as what that idiot is doing.

    jc

    January 13, 2010 at 10:45 pm

  314. “HOW ABOUT STEALING 11 TRILLION ALREADY AND GOING TO STEAL ANOTHER 11 TRILLION. HOW ABOUT RUINING THE REPUBLIC, TAKING AWAY OUR MILITARY COVER SO THAT I MAY HAVE TO FIGHT, CAMBRIA MAY HAVE TO BRIBE, AND YOU MAY HAVE TO BE INTERRED.”

    Um, yeah sure. America’s weak military in the direst hour, will intern Jason Soon, get a tribute off Coabria and have Graeme lead from the front.

    …to defeat the Chinese?

    Um yeah sure.

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 13, 2010 at 10:48 pm

  315. I’m with you JC it’s a little bit uncomfortable to read.I can’t remember anyone here talking bad about his wife(I could be wrong)Anyway how’s your dog coping?

    tal

    January 13, 2010 at 10:52 pm

  316. Um, what I can’t understand is why anyone pays any attention to Bird at all?? (And why ever post a comment on his blog?) He’s, um, peculiar (to be generous in description) I’ll grant you, and was entertaining in his strangeness for a short time, but why was he ever allowed to thrive on any blog for any length of time? I only came back here to read and make comments when I realised he was gone for good.

    Complaint over.

    steve from brisbane

    January 13, 2010 at 11:27 pm

  317. I don’t think anyone has ever done that sort of thing before.

    My dog is fine, Tal. He’s actually asleep right next to me.

    jc

    January 13, 2010 at 11:30 pm

  318. Steve ,it’s hard to explain,Graeme is a gifted writer,sometimes he has blog rage,but he is a sweetie at heart(shutup,you know who you are :))Like I said I can’t explain him sorry

    tal

    January 13, 2010 at 11:36 pm

  319. Thank God JC there is nothing worse than a dog in therapy

    tal

    January 13, 2010 at 11:38 pm

  320. The Nixon tapes are always fascinating to read about. I can imagine Sinatra grumbling about ‘those bloody longhair hippies taking over my party’

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/tapes-reveal-nixon-aides-warned-of-getting-too-close-to-sinatra-20100113-m72f.html

    Despite the singer’s links to the Mafia and the Democratic Party, the Republican president planned to establish ”a personal relationship” with Sinatra.

    Nixon’s initiative, however, was blocked by the attorney-general, John Mitchell, because of Sinatra’s links to organised crime, including prominent figures such as Lucky Luciano. The FBI had watched him since the late 1940s but he was never prosecuted.

    Once a carouser with president John F. Kennedy, Sinatra had been a loyal Democrat, but with the rise of the counterculture in the 1960s he became a Republican supporter and backed Nixon’s 1972 campaign, though their private one-to-one never happened.

    jtfsoon

    January 14, 2010 at 9:24 am

  321. How to make your Keynesian stimulus successful:

    White House Changes Stimulus Jobs Count.

    When the White House unveiled its nearly $800 billion stimulus package last year, it promised not only to create and save 3.5 million jobs but also to open the books and prove it. But counting jobs turned out to be a lot harder than lining up a work crew and tapping hardhats.

    Now, the White House says it will no longer keep a cumulative tally of jobs created and saved by the stimulus. Instead, it will post only a count of jobs for each quarter.

    And instead of counting only created and saved jobs, it will count any person who works on a project funded with stimulus money — even if that person was never in danger of losing his or her job.

    C.L.

    January 14, 2010 at 10:58 am

  322. Soft totalitarian wowserism getting out of control.

    Make Australia Day a light beer day: police.

    A senior policeman with the New South Wales Alcohol and Licensing Branch has called on bottle shops and pubs to restrict sales of full-strength alcohol on Australia Day.

    Chief Inspector Guy Haberley sent an email to licensees in Sydney, Newcastle and Wollongong earlier this week.

    One of the measures he proposed was that they not sell any drink with an alcohol content higher than 4 per cent before 2pm on January 26.

    C.L.

    January 14, 2010 at 11:03 am

  323. Guy: why don’t you catch some real criminals?

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 14, 2010 at 11:18 am

  324. The WA police announced this year that they will be targetting families at the skyworks drinking alcohol. Unbelievable.

    The nanny state wowsers who run this country are out of fucking control.

    Infidel Tiger

    January 14, 2010 at 11:41 am

  325. “Um, what I can’t understand is why anyone pays any attention to Bird at all??”

    Steve, Birdbaiting is a free and amusing pastime that the entire family can play. He’s basically a schoolyard bully who hasn’t grown-up, and an ignorant thug who thinks he’s a genius.

    Just poke it with a stick and the results are immediate and fun.

    And Tal, as for the ‘gifted writer’ bit, eye of the beholder I suppose. All I see is a continual verbal brainspasm. You know: monkeys/typewriters/Shakespeare.

    BirdLab

    January 14, 2010 at 12:03 pm

  326. Also in totalitarian news, call for swimmers ignoring the flags to be fined on the spot. Major credit to Gold Coast’s chief lifeguard for telling proponents of the idea to f— off.

    THE Gold Coast’s chief lifeguard has ruled out fining beachgoers for failing to swim between the red and yellow flags because “people go to the beach to escape rules and regulations”.

    Warren Young was speaking yesterday after the third surf drowning on the Gold Coast in the 13 days since the new year began.

    In the latest tragedy, a Sudanese man from Brisbane drowned at Surfers Paradise on Tuesday when he plunged into the surf outside the flags and directly in front of two “Danger – No Swimming” signs.

    He was swept to his death in one of dozens of treacherous rips now menacing Gold Coast beaches.

    Mr Young said lifeguards had the power under Gold Coast City Council by-laws to fine reckless bathers about $200.

    But lifeguards chose not to impose the fines because it was “anathema” to the beach experience.

    “People go to the beach to escape the rules and regulations of life,” Mr Young said.

    “Those calling for people to be fined don’t know anything about beach culture.”

    C.L.

    January 14, 2010 at 12:29 pm

  327. Finally: “stunt double vegetables”

    Tim Blair’s loving it.

    C.L.

    January 14, 2010 at 12:32 pm

  328. Now a Sikh temple has been torched in Melbourne.

    Do these yobs know that the Brits used Sikhs are the warrior caste of India?

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/melbourne-sikh-temple-arson-an-attack-on-religion/story-e6frg6nf-1225819009767

    jtfsoon

    January 14, 2010 at 12:37 pm

  329. What the hell? Melbourne has a problem.

    C.L.

    January 14, 2010 at 12:41 pm

  330. By now, the issue is getting so much attention in India that the yobs may have an incentive for this sort of behaviour.

    THR

    January 14, 2010 at 12:41 pm

  331. Birdlab: shaking the Bird cage just to see the bizarre results sounds a touch mean, though, doesn’t it? Some of his outbursts suggest to me someone who really does live life on the knife-edge of mental health. But people here have met him; maybe they understand him better and I am being too sensitive….

    steve from brisbane

    January 14, 2010 at 12:42 pm

  332. Some of his outbursts suggest to me someone who really does live life on the knife-edge of mental health.

    I think he’s moved several kilometres south of the knife-edge.

    THR

    January 14, 2010 at 12:44 pm

  333. I can’t work out the basis for racial prejudice against Indians at all. They speak english; don’t import fundamentalist, suicide inclined religion with them; play cricket; and a lot of people like curries. The only way they can annoy me is as taxi drivers who don’t know the city. Surely that can’t explain it though!

    steve from brisbane

    January 14, 2010 at 12:45 pm

  334. Plus many Indian chicks are babes.

    C.L.

    January 14, 2010 at 12:46 pm

  335. I’ve had a look at the anti-fascist/anti-racist sites, and they haven’t really shed any light on the mystery. Possibly the fascist sites would, but I’m not going to give them the hits.

    It’s clear that some of the attacks were racist in intent, though were not necessarily part of an organised campaign. There is an undercurrent of anti-immigration sentiment around Australia, and these people may be starting to have an impact when it comes to deterring Indians from moving here. That’s the only thing I can think of, since other large minorities from Asia don’t seem to be getting targeted.

    THR

    January 14, 2010 at 12:50 pm

  336. Seen this .

    http://clubtroppo.com.au/2010/01/10/vigilance-against-violence/

    It’s a perfect illustration of why this is becoming a pussified society.

    There was an entire carriage of people that let the fucker get away with the abuse and no one stood up for them.

    I had one similar example of some European prick giving two Indian dudes a hard time while they were sticking their baggage in an over head compartment… this was years ago… The arrogant German was humiliating those poor dudes screaming at them about putting some stuff in the locker. The flight attendant was silent. HE jsut went on and on. So I stood up for the guys and basically stopped it.

    From the other side of the plane, i told the fucker that this wasn’t 30’s Nazi Germany and that he wasn’t in the SS as it had been disbanded and that if he wanted to carry this on we could get off the plane before the closed the doors and sort it out there.

    The lightweight douche shut up and the poor dudes thanked me.

    jc

    January 14, 2010 at 12:53 pm

  337. steve
    Birdy knows where I live. If I had the slightest suspicion that rattling the Birdcage would turn him into a psychokiller I’d be the first to discourage it. As it is, I think his loopiness is pretty much hardwired 24 hours and is mainly confined to his thought processes rather than having any signfiicant impact on his daily functioning in society. The guy is gainfully employed, has a family, etc.

    jtfsoon

    January 14, 2010 at 12:53 pm

  338. Poor old whitey is once again getting the blame. I think you’ll find the perpetrators of this shit are the African gangs.

    Infidel Tiger

    January 14, 2010 at 12:56 pm

  339. “Birdlab: shaking the Bird cage just to see the bizarre results sounds a touch mean, though, doesn’t it?”

    Possibly Steve, and as longtome Birdwatchers I welcome JC and Jason into the discussion. Basically my view is that he’s just a psychotic domineering bastard who gets as good as he gives, and he doesn’t like the results. And as I say, it’s fun.

    I’m willing to be conviced otherwise, however.

    BirdLab

    January 14, 2010 at 12:56 pm

  340. Birdlab
    I’d happily have a drink with the guy and I used to, though I think I’ve been blackballed at the moment because I believe in global warming and fractional reserve. JC would probably rather watch Lambert do a poledance though.

    jtfsoon

    January 14, 2010 at 12:58 pm

  341. Victorian Supreme Court justice David Harper condemned 21-year-old John Caratozzolo as a ringleader of a group involved in what he called “curry bashing”

    http://www.theage.com.au/national/killers-sentenced-over-curry-bashing-20081222-73ff.html

    Sounds like Botswanans to me.

    THR

    January 14, 2010 at 12:59 pm

  342. Yobbo was the only one on that thread that said what was needed to be said.

    ————

    Steve:

    Violent crime is not treated the way it should be in the country. Someone can be out of jail after 7 years in a murder rap.

    The cops are basically pussified too and the judiciary is being stacked by fathead (AG) Hulls and politicizing it with like minded left-wingers, usually female (as there is a concerted affirmative action program instituted by the fathead).

    jc

    January 14, 2010 at 12:59 pm

  343. JC would probably rather watch Lambert do a poledance though.

    Now that would be interesting.

    jc

    January 14, 2010 at 1:01 pm

  344. jc

    That newspaper article should be read by all Australians. Relying on governments to fix and control every moment in our lives is just wrong. That is not what governments are for. A healthy civil polity would have seen that whole carriage jump up, wrestle that racist scavenging bully to the ground, and handing him over to the police at Camberwell.

    The more people who read that article, the more people will realize the rest of the carriage shares their disgust next time they encounter such pondlife on trains, which might give fellow passengers the confidence to intervene.

    Peter Patton

    January 14, 2010 at 1:02 pm

  345. Jason, I assume he doesn’t work for a telemarketing operation, or an IT support line, but are you at liberty to tell us what line of work he does? (Maybe people here know already, but as I said, I didn’t read this blog carefully when he had free reign here.)

    steve from brisbane

    January 14, 2010 at 1:02 pm

  346. Living in Sydney, I have never encountered any animus towards Indians. Other groups absolutely, but never Indians. Unless there is something peculiarly ugly about Melbourne, I smell a rat in all this hysteria about “anti-India racist attacks”.

    Peter Patton

    January 14, 2010 at 1:04 pm

  347. From THR’s link:

    See what I mean

    Two 18-year-olds who went out “curry bashing” in January and killed Victoria University academic Zhongjun Cao for his wallet and mobile phone will serve just two years in a youth detention centre for the vicious and random fatal attack.

    So this piece of shit kills someone as a result of racial hate, steal his belongings and gets two fucking years.

    Someone like that should only ever be allowed out when he’s too old to hurt someone perhaps when he’s in his 70’s, if he lives that long.

    That judge ought to be charged or thrown out of the profession.

    jc

    January 14, 2010 at 1:05 pm

  348. steve
    I don’t think it’s a secret among regular readers (and therefore I don’t think there’s anything wrong in mentioning) that he works in some capacity as a factory supervisor (in fact he’s mentioned it himself).

    jtfsoon

    January 14, 2010 at 1:06 pm

  349. jtfsoon

    Where does it say the temple was burnt by Brits?

    Peter Patton

    January 14, 2010 at 1:07 pm

  350. Tiger, the recent attacks haven’t been in neighbourhoods with Africans. Yarraville and Essendon are pretty middle-class areas where a gang of Somalians would not be able to wander around discreetly. There’s no evidence of an organised campaign against Indians, but there’s some evidence by now that at least some of the attacks were racist.

    THR

    January 14, 2010 at 1:07 pm

  351. no it doesn’t, I didn’t say it was.

    I was going to write that the Brits used to use Sikhs as guards and soldiers in colonial times (hence the ref to warrior caste) but I accidentally deleted my own words.

    jtfsoon

    January 14, 2010 at 1:08 pm

  352. Peter:

    Cops are not being pro-active in this stuff. We can fight back by using the judiciary, the cops and standing up to these fuckers when the need arises.

    The Vic cops lost the war against violence when they let stuff get out of control in the Melbourne CBD for years and acted like pussified deer is headlights.

    I’m not talking about giving cops expanded powers, I’m talking about getting these layabouts to do their job instead of running breath tests at 10 in the morning.

    jc

    January 14, 2010 at 1:09 pm

  353. “I think I’ve been blackballed at the moment because I believe in global warming and fractional reserve.”

    Well Jason, there’s the basic problem right there. The bloke can’t distinguish between having honest, reasonable disagreements on the one hand, and on the other being so convinced of your own moral and philosophical rectitude that those who disgagree with you should essentially be taken out and shot.

    How he manages to hold down a job I’ll never know, as I’m quite sure his anger-management problems must have real world consequences.

    BirdLab

    January 14, 2010 at 1:11 pm

  354. Bring back the birch

    jtfsoon

    January 14, 2010 at 1:12 pm

  355. Righties can scapegoat Africans and Lebs all they like, the fact is, everybody around the world saw a bunch of Anglo-Aussies baying for blood at Cronulla a few years back. Sectors of the MSM and mainstream politics basically gave the yobs a pass. You’ve got inbreds in Camden who are protesting an Islamic school because they think it’ll spread jihad and burqas to good aussie folk. Only as couple of years ago, there was a high-profile case of a group of drunken footballers (led by an off-duty cop, no less) harassing an Orthodox Jew in Caulfield. There are a number of fringe groups who make it their business to push ‘white pride’ and hatred for ethnics, and these folk are enabled by the rightists who claim that white racism isn’t a problem, or that the Indians/Jews/Lebs wouldn’t get bashed so much if only they’d assimilate a little more.

    THR

    January 14, 2010 at 1:12 pm

  356. I’m not talking about giving cops expanded powers, I’m talking about getting these layabouts to do their job instead of running breath tests at 10 in the morning.

    It’s not that racism is entrenched among Vic police, but I doubt they see a problem with racial violence against Indians. In my professional life, I’ve seen first-hand how they treat Asian/African immigrants, who are trying to report a crime, and who are stuttering their way through bad English. Their basically told by the constable at the front desk to ‘fuck off’, in language that isn’t much politer than that.

    THR

    January 14, 2010 at 1:14 pm

  357. Jason: you mean he has to exercise personnel management skills? That’s kind of hard to imagine..:)

    steve from brisbane

    January 14, 2010 at 1:15 pm

  358. THR, if they are the only pieces of data you have then the inferences you have drawn amount to the most egregious form of confirmation bias I have encountered in a long time. Substituting ill-informed ideology for the hard yakka of detective work needs to be called out as much as actual racist behavior.

    Peter Patton

    January 14, 2010 at 1:16 pm

  359. THR:

    What’s your point, that there is scumbags amongst us?

    We don’t need hate crime laws, what we need is for violent crime to be seriously dealt with and have the cops out on the fucking streets/ have the ability to respond to an incident on public transport with minutes, arrest the fuckers and then if they are guilty of any attack sent to jail for many, many years.

    We need a de-pussification of the legal system.

    That’s it.

    jc

    January 14, 2010 at 1:18 pm

  360. jc

    If that story had been about how that bloke did in fact jump up and was backed by others in the train that would send a very loud message to the gutless public transport terrorists that they will not get away with it.

    Peter Patton

    January 14, 2010 at 1:19 pm

  361. We need concealed carry laws.

    Infidel Tiger

    January 14, 2010 at 1:21 pm

  362. We just need better policign and then failing that, punishment for actual proper crimes much more unpleasant. Throw in public caning, 100 lashes of the birch as well as jail for assaults causing GBH.

    jtfsoon

    January 14, 2010 at 1:23 pm

  363. Jason, are you related to Harry Lee?

    Ken Nielsen

    January 14, 2010 at 1:24 pm

  364. jtfsoon, I think there is very good case for public shaming as a punishment in these sorts of crimes.

    Peter Patton

    January 14, 2010 at 1:25 pm

  365. It’s not an either/or, THR. If the attacks are by Africans, it doesn’t mean they’re not racist.

    C.L.

    January 14, 2010 at 1:26 pm

  366. THR, if they are the only pieces of data you have then the inferences you have drawn amount to the most egregious form of confirmation bias I have encountered in a long time. Substituting ill-informed ideology for the hard yakka of detective work needs to be called out as much as actual racist behavior.

    People don”‘t like IQ studies because they believe that the results imply that some races are inferior and less human. This is a stupid argument, it is like arguing that all with cognitive disabilities are less than human. IQ is simply a measure of cognitive potential, all of us equally human and deserve to be treated as such.

    John H.

    January 14, 2010 at 1:28 pm

  367. We need concealed carry laws.

    We can debate that but don’t get me started on Howard’s idiotic gun laws. Australia is becoming a nation of pansies, it really is. Today we had the police – THE POLICE – seeking to control what liquor retailers sell adults on Australia Day. Bring back the 70s, when cricket fans were free to take a carton of stubbies to the hill.

    C.L.

    January 14, 2010 at 1:29 pm

  368. I don’t see why the racism angle even gets a plug. Why is it so important if these crimes are racist motivated? I don’t it does.

    Allowing ourselves to be influenced by allowing racism to be a some sort of factor is wrong. You can’t stamp out racists because you can’t and shouldn’t be dealing with thought crime. That puts us in leftland and creates all sorts of social psychosis.

    You deal with violent crime hard and then allow the courts to go to town on these fuckers by not letting them out until they are too old to damage anyone’s life.

    jc

    January 14, 2010 at 1:31 pm

  369. JH

    That post was replying to THR’s “examples” of racist whites attacking non-whites, not IQ scores. 😉

    Peter Patton

    January 14, 2010 at 1:31 pm

  370. the attacks on Indians were originally done because they were carrying technology that could be easily taken.

    IF the above reports are correct then the current attacks are different and clearly done on racist grounds.
    Some africans ( not Sudanese) have a dislike of Indians because of economic circumstance.

    I admit to be somewhat cynical of these reports as previous reports of Sudanese gangs have been proven badly wrong

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 14, 2010 at 1:31 pm

  371. I think there is very good case for public shaming as a punishment in these sorts of crimes.

    Peter, you think that punk on the train gives a shit about being publicly named for doing what he did to those asian teenagers on the train? I’d bet he’d get a kick out of it .. seeing his name up there in lights.

    No, he should have had the entire carriage kick the shit out of him and leave him there to find his own way to hospital.

    jc

    January 14, 2010 at 1:34 pm

  372. You’re a criminologist with physic powers now Homer? That’s interesting.

    jc

    January 14, 2010 at 1:36 pm

  373. “Jason … are you at liberty to tell us what line of work he does?”

    I’d always assumed he was involved in family counselling.

    BirdLab

    January 14, 2010 at 1:40 pm

  374. No Forrest but unlike you I actually read what actually happened.
    The incidents are clearly different

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 14, 2010 at 1:41 pm

  375. “Bring back the 70s, when cricket fans were free to take a carton of stubbies to the hill.”

    And you keep complaining about bogans, CL? 🙂

    BirdLab

    January 14, 2010 at 1:43 pm

  376. CL

    In Sydney large sections of the black African refugee community are scared to death because of attacks and persecution by Arab Muslims. Now understandably people might get up in arms insisting “what on earth do Arab Muslims have to do with African refugees”. The answer is a lot. Firstly, most of the African refugees are black and Christian in flight from persecution by ruling Arab Muslims in Egypt, Sudan, Eritrea, Somalia.

    Peter Patton

    January 14, 2010 at 1:44 pm

  377. Ken

    While Singapore isn’t my idea of an ideal liberal society it would be an honour to be related to Harry Lee, I’d reckon one of the smartest and most successful statesmen of the 20th century. Alas no.

    But one aspect of the Singaporean justice system I certainly have a lot of time for is adding corporal punishment to jailtime, as long as it’s for serious crimes. Jail under modern conditions just looks like free bed and board, from a strictly deterrence based view of the criminal justice system it makes sense to add more unpleasantness to existing penalties.

    jtfsoon

    January 14, 2010 at 1:50 pm

  378. ahh Harry Lee whose belief in democracy was to sue any opposition leader knowing a compliant judiciary would award him damages.
    The Privy council gave a withering judgment on Singaporean justice.

    Ahh deterrence, what silly concept.

    What happens when someones commits an act of crime despite ‘deterrence’?

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 14, 2010 at 1:53 pm

  379. You lock’em up and flog ’em

    tal

    January 14, 2010 at 1:55 pm

  380. do you know how to read Homer?

    I’ve criticised Singapore more than once in the past.
    I was only talking about corporal punishment.

    jtfsoon

    January 14, 2010 at 1:55 pm

  381. “What happens when someones commits an act of crime despite ‘deterrence’?”

    They get punished.

    Infidel Tiger

    January 14, 2010 at 1:56 pm

  382. Also by any account of dictators, LKY is the mildest insofar as you can call him one at all.

    He certainly doesn’t brook dissent but

    1)he’s never had anyone killed
    2) is not corrupt and has tried not to perpetuate a political dynasty
    3) his govt would still win the support of the majority of the popn.

    jtfsoon

    January 14, 2010 at 1:58 pm

  383. “What happens when someones commits an act of crime despite ‘deterrence’?”

    Do you understand economics Homes?
    That’s like saying a carbon tax doesn’t work unless there are zero carbon emissions.

    jtfsoon

    January 14, 2010 at 1:59 pm

  384. All this focus on legislation to deal with problem ignores the fact that these criminals are not exactly law-abiding citizens, so it is of scant comfort to the vulnerable.

    Peter Patton

    January 14, 2010 at 2:05 pm

  385. What happens when someones commits an act of crime despite ‘deterrence’?

    Fme. Homer there should also be physical punishment by flogging for anyone (you) that posts, or continues to post stupid comments on other people’s blogs.

    I’d have no problem in seeing you flogged because of the swill you post. None whatsoever. In fact I’d quietly hope you weren’t deterred so that you’d continued to be flogged for your past wrongs.

    jc

    January 14, 2010 at 2:06 pm

  386. if you put someone in for deterrence but someone then commits that crime that makes your reason very very stupid indeed quite evil.

    Deterrence is only advocated by simpletons

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 14, 2010 at 2:07 pm

  387. Bugger me dead. Have a read of what the fascists have decreed for the Test match in Hobart:

    http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2010/01/14/121451_tasmania-news.html

    Infidel Tiger

    January 14, 2010 at 2:08 pm

  388. Peter telling people that if you break the law,you will be locked and flogged,works

    tal

    January 14, 2010 at 2:09 pm

  389. if you put someone in for deterrence but someone then commits that crime that makes your reason very very stupid indeed quite evil.

    This is a perfect illustration of what I’m talking about and why you deserve to be flogged and flogged hard.
    What does that mean? What are you saying?

    jc

    January 14, 2010 at 2:09 pm

  390. Sorry to interrupt, but Harry Clarke has just posted about his fondness for Lady Gaga. http://www.harryrclarke.com/2010/01/14/lady-gaga/
    No wonder his kids are embarrassed.

    steve from brisbane

    January 14, 2010 at 2:12 pm

  391. OMG

    wasn’t there some rumour that Lady Gaga is a trannie?

    jtfsoon

    January 14, 2010 at 2:13 pm

  392. I told you before go back to your ESL classes

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 14, 2010 at 2:13 pm

  393. err yes, no wonder.

    jc

    January 14, 2010 at 2:15 pm

  394. Homer

    a deterrence based approach simply means that the ratiionale for punishing people who commit crimes is to set a ‘price’ for the crime to deter future offences. it doesn’t mean you randomly punish anyone. so what the hell are you talking about?

    saying that deterrence is unjust if crime doesn’t fall to zero the next interval is like saying the price system doesn’t work because people keep consuming things despite things being priced.

    you truly are an imbecile,.

    jtfsoon

    January 14, 2010 at 2:17 pm

  395. you truly are an imbecile,.

    No doubt will continue proving it with his next comment which I’m betting will be even stupider, if that could be possible.

    jc

    January 14, 2010 at 2:21 pm

  396. Infidel Tiger, when I read those Indians plan to throw snakes onto the cricket ground, I literally shivered.

    Peter Patton

    January 14, 2010 at 2:21 pm

  397. From Tiger’s link:

    PLAINCLOTHES police and security staff will monitor the crowd at Bellerive Oval as the third Test starts today.

    They will look for racial vilification and over-indulging in alcohol, while beach balls will be deflated and Mexican wave instigators will be ejected and banned for life.

    And of course the double-reverse, Orwellian sales pitch:

    Cricket Tasmania and Cricket Australia say these measures are in place to ensure everyone has a good time at the Bellerive Test match between Australia and Pakistan starting today.

    Patrons bags’ will be thoroughly checked at the the gate for prohibited items such as beach balls, musical instruments, umbrellas, chairs and even cricket bats.

    I’m ashamed of what Australia is becoming, I really am.

    C.L.

    January 14, 2010 at 2:21 pm

  398. Oh my god Jason! There’s a rumour on the internet? I don’t believe it!

    BirdLab

    January 14, 2010 at 2:21 pm

  399. tal

    So does punching their lights out on the train. 😉

    Peter Patton

    January 14, 2010 at 2:22 pm

  400. Harry’s fond of many dubious things in the artistic realm.

    C.L.

    January 14, 2010 at 2:23 pm

  401. Statman if you put in a person in prison for ‘deterrence’ as a punishment then that punishment is shown to be a shame the minute someone else commits that same crime.

    It doesn’t work and it is evil.

    The proper punishment is one fitting the crime.

    look in the mirror

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 14, 2010 at 2:23 pm

  402. The cane leaves some scars

    tal

    January 14, 2010 at 2:29 pm

  403. Oh it’s evil alright

    tal

    January 14, 2010 at 2:31 pm

  404. “Statman if you put in a person in prison for ‘deterrence’ as a punishment then that punishment is shown to be a shame the minute someone else commits that same crime.”

    This is freaking stupid. Do you actually understand maths or stats, Butters?

    Despite being overall too costly and mostly failing cost benefits tests, it can be statistically shown that the death penalty per se prevents more murders than life imprisonment, as the deterrence effect is greater.

    Butters wipes away econometrics and law & economics in one hit because it doesn’t live up to a Calvinist ideal that God himself would dish out.

    These cockaigne man predicates you have seriously diminish any ability you have as an economist.

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 14, 2010 at 2:31 pm

  405. tal

    January 14, 2010 at 2:33 pm

  406. “The proper punishment is one fitting the crime.”

    Thus, the deterrence should be appropriately “priced”.

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 14, 2010 at 2:33 pm

  407. In Raason:

    How public servants became our masters.

    The examples (from California) are disgusting.

    C.L.

    January 14, 2010 at 2:33 pm

  408. These cockaigne man predicates you have seriously diminish any ability you have as an economist

    You can’t diminish what isn’t there, SRL.

    jtfsoon

    January 14, 2010 at 2:34 pm

  409. I read that. It’s truly disgusting.

    jc

    January 14, 2010 at 2:35 pm

  410. Is hell a deterrent, Homer, and if Fred Hollows is down there, doesn’t that make a nonsense of its power to deter? Eternal damnation clearly isn’t working.

    C.L.

    January 14, 2010 at 2:38 pm

  411. I’d like to put in a good word for Harry. I first heard Lady GAGA on Christmas eve at the in-laws place and she’s very good. I also heard Lilly Allen for the first and enjoyed her stuff too. 🙂 Its all part of the plan to grow old disgracefully.

    Sinclair Davidson

    January 14, 2010 at 2:41 pm

  412. What’s next, Sinclair and Harry buying choppers?

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 14, 2010 at 2:42 pm

  413. well this is coming from a man who likes Meatloaf

    jtfsoon

    January 14, 2010 at 2:45 pm

  414. Eternal damnation clearly isn’t working

    If there’s a just God, it would for Homer.

    jc

    January 14, 2010 at 2:46 pm

  415. I’ve always secretly admired old harry for his intellectual eclecticism which at times is at is absolutely breathtaking in where it leads.

    jc

    January 14, 2010 at 2:50 pm

  416. Mark you are clueless in fact punishment fitting the crime is something God designated.

    Deterrence doesn’t work period.

    if a person put into prison etc because of ‘deterrence’ and then a person commits the same crime then he has gone to prison on a sham.
    It is called morality.
    Don’t read wiki either.

    If Deterrence worked Australia would not have been a convict colony

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 14, 2010 at 2:50 pm

  417. Shorter Homer:

    Why punish at all?

    jc

    January 14, 2010 at 2:54 pm

  418. Rubbish, Homer. I bet you would have driven after three drinks in the 70s. Don’t do that now, do you?

    C.L.

    January 14, 2010 at 2:57 pm

  419. Homer you putz

    if ‘deterrence’ approach recommends we do X to discourage murder and your ‘punishment fits the crime’ theory also recommends we do X why does doing X become immoral in one case and not the other because of your wankery?

    jtfsoon

    January 14, 2010 at 2:57 pm

  420. “Deterrence doesn’t work period.”

    So you stick to the speed limit because you’re a courteous driver and a decent citizen, or because you don’t want to get booked, fined, and lose points?

    BirdLab

    January 14, 2010 at 2:59 pm

  421. Homer,

    “Deterrence doesn’t work period”

    Homer doesn’t believe in incentives!

    This is as stunning and as brainless as Bird’s rejection of opportunity cost as an economic concept.

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 14, 2010 at 3:00 pm

  422. I don’t see why the racism angle even gets a plug. Why is it so important if these crimes are racist motivated? I don’t it does.

    Allowing ourselves to be influenced by allowing racism to be a some sort of factor is wrong. You can’t stamp out racists because you can’t and shouldn’t be dealing with thought crime. That puts us in leftland and creates all sorts of social psychosis.

    As far as the bashing goes, it’s a crime, so the racism doesn’t really make that much difference. As a political phenomenon, however, it makes an enormous difference. Believe it or not, income taxes are not the only threat to the freedom of humanity.

    THR

    January 14, 2010 at 3:02 pm

  423. Site manager:

    Could i perhaps suggest a way of demonstrating how deterrence may work?

    How about moderating all of homer’s comments and not allow any that don’t make sense and see after a while if the quality improves a little (no, of course we shouldn’t expect miracles)

    jc

    January 14, 2010 at 3:06 pm

  424. “if a person put into prison etc because of ‘deterrence’ and then a person commits the same crime then he has gone to prison on a sham.
    It is called morality.”

    Bullshit.

    It is entirely moral to have disincentives to deter violence and dishonesty, and encourage people to keep promises and act cautiously.

    The fact that there may be 50 murders [read as any crime to generalise] a year in a US State with the death penalty and 60 where there is no death penalty doesn’t mean the execution [read as a more severe punishment to generalise] of the 50 murders in Ol’Sparky State is immoral. In fact, you’re rewarding every 1 in 6 murderers by refusing to execute [read incarcerate/fine to generalise] any murderers [read criminals to generalise] at all.

    What kind of morality is that, endangering the general public and perversely rewarding violent or dishonest people because deterrence doesn’t deter every crime?

    It’s just bone headed cockaigne-man nincompoop-ery.

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 14, 2010 at 3:07 pm

  425. As a political phenomenon, however, it makes an enormous difference.

    How so? How or why would you stop say Bird hating Italian people for instance which he ably demonstrates he does on his site every days. Why would you even care as the fact that he says those things make people become even more repulsed by his antics.

    jc

    January 14, 2010 at 3:10 pm

  426. I have to disagree that racism doesn’t matter. Violent crime that exhibits a strong pattern in its targets spreads fear throughout that target community, whether it is against black Africans, Jewish/Muslim, Asian, Indian, or white Australian. Jesus, imagine how you would felt if your were a white citizen of Zimbabwe, facing increasing public calls to attack and kill white people.

    While it is probably near impossible to prevent violent crime that is committed by junkies or gangs of opportunistic muggers, it is relatively easier to prevent racist crime because proper racist violence is usually committed by organized groups, and intelligence on those organized groups invariably finds its way to the cops.

    That is why we no longer have the white skinhead gangs attacking Vietnamese in Melbourne, or the Serb vs. Croat rubbish we had to put up with in Sydney, or lynchings of black people by gangs of racist white people in the American south.

    Peter Patton

    January 14, 2010 at 3:15 pm

  427. I think JC is saying racism doesn’t matter in sentencing because we should be cracking down on people who engage in unprovoked acts of violence whatever the underlying reason. I agree.

    jtfsoon

    January 14, 2010 at 3:17 pm

  428. I agree on sentencing. What I’m trying to get at is that it isn’t the same thing to have organised gangs targeting minorities as having an underclass of thugs.

    THR

    January 14, 2010 at 3:19 pm

  429. jtfsoon Oh OK, well that is a different issue.

    Peter Patton

    January 14, 2010 at 3:20 pm

  430. Peter,

    I think it does matter, but I’m not sure why you’d treat one version of violent crime differently to another in terms of the legal system.

    Hate crime is thought crime.

    I don’t see why killing a person and taking their belongings should be any different to say killing and taking their belongings if they are white or black or purple.

    If you treated it differently you would be saying in effect that a non-racially based or partially racist based crime carries more weight than one that isn’t. I think that would be wrong as you would in fact be discriminating.

    jc

    January 14, 2010 at 3:22 pm

  431. It might be interesting to see the demographics of those committing crimes against Indians. I recall an old study which found that racism is often directed towards groups of immigrants who represent a “threat” to the socioeconomic group just above them. So while racism does play a role in violence it can also be a simple case of identifying a group of people as a threat to your position in the socioeconomic ladder.

    John H.

    January 14, 2010 at 3:22 pm

  432. I think JC is saying racism doesn’t matter in sentencing because we should be cracking down on people who engage in unprovoked acts of violence whatever the underlying reason. I agree.

    Exactly.

    jc

    January 14, 2010 at 3:22 pm

  433. THR

    it isn’t the same thing to have organised gangs targeting minorities.

    You’re still not getting it. This mantra is still being repeated over and over in the media and on blogs. The issue is gangs targeting any particular group, not just “minorities”.

    Peter Patton

    January 14, 2010 at 3:28 pm

  434. What your trope so erroneously assumes is that “minorities” cannot be racist, and as a matter of empirical fact do not target particular groups. They do, and they are. Right here in Australia, including Melbourne.

    Peter Patton

    January 14, 2010 at 3:29 pm

  435. What I’m trying to get at is that it isn’t the same thing to have organised gangs targeting minorities as having an underclass of thugs.

    well the cops aren’t doing their job properly then. They ought to be seriously targeting these gangs and putting them out of business.

    NYC had a street crimes unit under Giuliani/Battan that sent dudes out undercover and became part of the street scene.

    Have the cops even thought about sending out individual cops to blend into these gangs and figure out what they’re up to?

    Do they even know what’s going on in the street any more like chatting around and gaining intel?

    They seem completely at a loss as to know what’s going on in the street. They’re fucking lost.

    jc

    January 14, 2010 at 3:30 pm

  436. jc

    I laid out why I think racist violence is worse.

    Peter Patton

    January 14, 2010 at 3:31 pm

  437. What your trope so erroneously assumes is that “minorities” cannot be racist, and as a matter of empirical fact do not target particular groups

    No, it doesn’t assume any such thing. I’m talking about far-right, wanna-be fascist groups. They do exist, albeit, on the fringes, they’re always seeking political support and legitimacy, and I’ve never heard of them targeting middle-class white Australian males.

    Have the cops even thought about sending out individual cops to blend into these gangs and figure out what they’re up to?

    The average cop could blend successfully into Bay 13, but much less successfully into the ‘street scene’ of Broadmeadows or Lakemba.

    THR

    January 14, 2010 at 3:34 pm

  438. John H

    There is already stacks of data on the ethnic/religious identities of a lot of this violence against Indians, including the bloody obvious reality that much of it committed by other Indians. Clicking around the blogs I am quite stunned at just how many blogs are posting these turgid theoretical theses, which do not use even one incident to back them up.

    Where do these people get their theories from in the first place?

    Peter Patton

    January 14, 2010 at 3:36 pm

  439. Re Jason’s link: I like the way “Horny Goat Weed” gets a free (?) advertisement out of the story. Maybe Harry Clarke can tell us if it really works. 🙂

    steve from brisbane

    January 14, 2010 at 3:38 pm

  440. While it is probably near impossible to prevent violent crime that is committed by junkies or gangs of opportunistic muggers,

    It’s not actually. If the cops were doing a better job, it isn’t impossible. Batton proved that in NYC. You don’t freaking tolerate crime, especially violent crime.

    You hit it and hit it hard.

    This violence on public transport isn’t new by the way. Subway violence was pretty endemic in NYC in the 80’s and early 90’s . In fact the population had almsot become resigned to the fact that a good portion would be mugged and accosted on the subway even in peak hour by thugs.

    However good and hard policing got those fuckers and sent them to prison for a long time and the subways were cleared of this sort of thing.

    I would also suggest that a decent amount of that crime was blacks on white, so Peter, by your definition a large part of that was racially based too I might add.

    You can beat it. You can get these arseholes and put them away for a long time and ensure they understand it won’t be tolerated and they will be caught and when they are, they will go to jail for a long, long time.

    jc

    January 14, 2010 at 3:41 pm

  441. In more news The UK Telehgraph is coming out with an explosive investigative piece on the fabulous Doctor Pachauri this Sunday which promises to be equal to a nuclear explosion.

    Stay tuned

    That was on 1 January. He’s still keeping his options open, although he has sent a letter to the Telegraph – by snail mail – demanding publication. The interviewer concludes by asking Pachauri if it is going to be a busy year in 2010. It’s going to be even busier after Sunday and, from what I gather, we are not going to be the only ones publishing a story.

    http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/

    Incidentally the Fabulous Doctor Pach is blaming the same people that published those emails as the culprits/criminals and cabal of denialists that are out to get him which means he knows he’s in real fucking trouble.

    Nice Try Doc.

    I’m so exited.

    jc

    January 14, 2010 at 3:50 pm

  442. ooop excited.

    jc

    January 14, 2010 at 3:51 pm

  443. Where do these people get their theories from in the first place?

    Social psychology and sociological studies I imagine Peter. There are so many studies in those fields that one can construct any theoretical foundation to explain the violence against Indians or other groups. Psychology in general is like that, it is one reason why I find so much of what constitutes psychology in the public realm as whistling in the dark.

    I’m not even sure that Indians are being specifically targeted. Media driven campaigns are not paragons of disciplined thinking. People are entitled to explore possible causes but they are not entitled to proclaim these are solid theses, only as speculations.

    In regard to Indians I have noticed while on the bus home from work they do seem to have differing social behavior. For example, I sat next to one Indian who spent the whole time talking loudly on his mobile. There was a period of about 5 minutes where he was crying and sobbing into the phone. I found this very irritating. A friend of mine who was at Griffith Uni said he also noted that Indians behaved in ways that many could find irritable(his eg, they did not stand in line at the bus but rather rushed at the opening door). It is important to remember that I live on the Gold Coast and so most of these were recent immigrants studying at Griffith and TAFE. I imagine that given time they would adjust their habits.

    John H.

    January 14, 2010 at 3:51 pm

  444. From the full-blown leftist police state of Great Britain:

    inessman is arrested in front of wife and son… for ‘anti-gipsy’
    email that he didn’t even write
    .

    A wealthy businessman was arrested at home in front of his wife and young son over an email which council officials deemed ‘offensive’ to gipsies – but which he had not even written.

    The email, concerning a planning appeal by a gipsy, included the phrase: ‘It’s the ‘do as you likey’ attitude that I am against.’

    Council staff believed the email was offensive because ‘likey’ rhymes with the derogatory term ‘pikey’.

    The 45-year-old IT boss was held in a police cell for four hours until it was established he had nothing to do with the email, which had been sent by one of his then workers, Paul Osmond.

    But police had taken his DNA and later confirmed they would be holding it indefinitely.

    C.L.

    January 14, 2010 at 3:53 pm

  445. Businessman arrested…

    C.L.

    January 14, 2010 at 3:54 pm

  446. jc

    I have already addressed any group can be racist point.

    Peter Patton

    January 14, 2010 at 3:58 pm

  447. C.L.

    Jesus, if that story is true it is really scary. That is just pure Communism, and if the Brits just lie down and let it happen, then it’s bye bye civilization.

    Peter Patton

    January 14, 2010 at 4:01 pm

  448. Ace of Spades: video of the most awesome remote-control toy plane EVAH.

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/296979.php

    C.L.

    January 14, 2010 at 4:03 pm

  449. But on the up side (sarcasm), if you’re gay, the British police forces are one of the best places to work: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/14/gay-rights-police-forces

    (I’m not suggesting that gay people can’t make good police, but one suspects that, as in Victoria, if your police force is spending a lot of time on navel gazing about being gay friendly, they have a bit of a problem with priorities.)

    steve from brisbane

    January 14, 2010 at 4:08 pm

  450. The UK leads Europe’s fall from grace. Let’s just let it go.

    Michael Sutcliffe

    January 14, 2010 at 4:26 pm

  451. The funniest part of that article:

    Chief Inspector Heather Keating said: ‘Sussex Police have a legal duty to promote community cohesion and tackle unlawful discrimination.

    I wonder how much cohesion and affinity this guy feels with his local community now.

    Michael Sutcliffe

    January 14, 2010 at 4:28 pm

  452. News that will send bird bananas, or even more so.

    Obama says he’ll impose an tax on financial transaction. The banks say will move those activities that attract the most tax to another center.

    UK government imposed a bonus tax. The banks are even now contemplating moving their operations to Europe where there won’t be any taxes imposed.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703414504575001402462354236.html

    jc

    January 14, 2010 at 5:01 pm

  453. This spam filter has gone haywire. I can’t figure out why I get censored sometimes. No moderation, just eaten!

    [Sorry about that – you went into spam. I’ve fished out all the multiple copies and break-ups and what not and then tidied up as best I can. Let me know if anything is missing. Sinc]

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 14, 2010 at 5:44 pm

  454. Blogzombies, SRL. Blogzombies.

    BirdLab

    January 14, 2010 at 5:46 pm

  455. Probably didn’t help I would edit and resubmit. Repeatedly. I suspect that Geo. W Bu$h gets treated as “porn”, but it never has before.

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 14, 2010 at 5:48 pm

  456. Just in case you are interested, after seeking advice in his blog about whether to accept an invitation from the Brisbane Institute to debate AGW with Plimer and Monckton and receiving 98 pieces of advice in reply, JQ reports that the invitation seems to have been withdrawn. Well, they invited someone else in his place without telling him.

    http://johnquiggin.com/index.php/archives/2010/01/12/a-surprise-invitation/#comments

    He goes on to say in the blog what he would have said if he had the chance.

    Ken Nielsen

    January 14, 2010 at 6:22 pm

  457. ’m not even sure that Indians are being specifically targeted.
    .
    In Melbourne there are people, not many, who treat them with outright hatred. I’ve seen it.
    .
    For example, I sat next to one Indian who spent the whole time talking loudly on his mobile.
    .
    Yeah. I think they have a higher volume threshold. But it drives me batshit too.

    Adrien

    January 14, 2010 at 6:28 pm

  458. Wow. Having your favoured party lose an election has a bigger effect on a man than I would have expected:

    “With its winners and losers, politics is a lot like sports. Now biologists have the testosterone—or lack thereof—to prove it. Specifically, they have found that male voters who back a losing candidate experience a drop in the hormone.

    Immediately before and after the 2008 U.S. presidential election result, neuroscientists from Duke University and the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor collected the saliva of 163 college-age participants to determine the amount of testosterone in their systems. Male voters for winner Barack Obama had stable levels of testosterone, but the hormone rapidly declined in males who cast ballots for losers John McCain and Robert Barr. Female voters showed no significant testosterone changes after victory or defeat of their candidate.”

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=machismo-mayhem

    I’m ordering the Horny Goat Weed for you for later this year, CL.

    steve from brisbane

    January 14, 2010 at 6:30 pm

  459. In Melbourne there are people, not many, who treat them with outright hatred. I’ve seen it.

    There are people who treat me with outright hatred!

    Male voters for winner Barack Obama had stable levels of testosterone, but the hormone rapidly declined in males who cast ballots for losers John McCain and Robert Barr. Female voters showed no significant testosterone changes after victory or defeat of their candidate.”

    Similiar studies find similiar results after sporting events.

    John H.

    January 14, 2010 at 6:34 pm

  460. There are people who treat me with outright hatred!
    .
    No. You are lying. 🙂
    .
    Seriously there are some people who really hate the Indians.

    Adrien

    January 14, 2010 at 6:42 pm

  461. The election/testosterone story was in the news many months ago. Its curious re-emergence probably has something to do with the fact that Obama’s popularity rating is heading into the Spiro Agnew zone and, consequently, that he himself has the masculine credentials of Liberace’s hardresser.

    We saw the testosterone effect on Rog and Steve when Turnbull and Copenhagen went kaput. They became a pair of shrieking Marys for about three weeks.

    C.L.

    January 14, 2010 at 6:56 pm

  462. Joe, it looks like he’s back from his nanna nap.

    BirdLab

    January 14, 2010 at 6:57 pm

  463. Oh lord, he’s back of the Goldman Sachs obsession again.

    jc

    January 14, 2010 at 7:02 pm

  464. BirdLab

    January 14, 2010 at 7:08 pm

  465. CL – Is that the real reason you Obama so much? 🙂

    Adrien

    January 14, 2010 at 7:17 pm

  466. Lol… How on earth can he call people the C word when discussing the existence of photons?

    I’m still laughing, Birdlab, well after I read the thread.

    jc

    January 14, 2010 at 7:18 pm

  467. Photons are basically just particles that have turned communist, support cronyism, and hope to undermine a purely capitalist model of physics.

    BirdLab

    January 14, 2010 at 7:23 pm

  468. I don’t Obama at all, Adrien.

    C.L.

    January 14, 2010 at 7:24 pm

  469. Hey guys, there are some of us here who want to ignore him.

    Ken Nielsen

    January 14, 2010 at 7:25 pm

  470. True, Ken. Sorry.

    jc

    January 14, 2010 at 7:31 pm

  471. Apprently Kevvie’s not going to nix the old by a politician thing after all – http://www.theage.com.au/national/no-reform-for-political-funding-20100112-m4px.html
    .
    Boo hiss Kevvie.

    Adrien

    January 14, 2010 at 8:18 pm

  472. And finally, from Graeme’s blog, some comedy gold:

    I USUALLY I AM HAPPY FOR ALMOST ANY COMMENT. BUT THE UTTER POINTLESSNESS OF YOUR LAST POST DOESN’T MAKE MY EASYGOING CUTOFF.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Easygoing. Happy for almost any comment. Yeah as long as the comment’s by him.

    Adrien

    January 14, 2010 at 8:28 pm

  473. Jason, LKY was peerless as a 20th century statesman. And yes, we should give criminals a regular dose of the rattan while they are in the clink. It’s like a fuckin’ holiday villa for some of them.

    Michael Fisk

    January 14, 2010 at 8:28 pm

  474. It’s a perfect illustration of why this is becoming a pussified society.

    JC, when I went to school it was basically drilled into us that if someone hits you, you must never ever hit back and are expected to go running to the nearest teacher. If you did fight back you were suspended. Basically, there has been a delegitimisation of self-defence in this country (and Britain – which is called the Dead Isle for good reason), pushed by pseudo-Marxist educationalists. They want to undermine independence and force people to rely on the nanny state.

    The results are plain before us – people who ARE determined to use violence (such as nazis, communists and ethnic gangsters) will have their way with anyone they like. Vulnerable people, in this case Indians, get their heads kicked in while the general public is too shit-scared to do anything. This is the inevitable result of allowing social democrats and other leftist deviants to gain control over our education system; it’s yet another reason to be thankful for good Christian souls such as General Pinochet, who knew exactly how to deal with the leftist establishment, and to hope and pray that there will be more decent men like him.

    Michael Fisk

    January 14, 2010 at 8:53 pm

  475. Tal – my No. 1 son joined a great facebook group. Made me think of you.

    “Terrorists have two eyes, Pandas have two eyes. Coincidence? I think not.”

    🙂

    Sinclair Davidson

    January 14, 2010 at 9:13 pm

  476. Michael Fisk

    When we were kids a cousin started to get quite badly bullied. Suddenly our mother and the aunts and their “turn the other cheek” pleas were silenced by dad and the uncles and we were all given boxing lessons, with the message, “the only way to stop a bully is with a fat lip”.

    Peter Patton

    January 14, 2010 at 9:21 pm

  477. Can’t trust the black and white bastards Sinc

    tal

    January 14, 2010 at 9:21 pm

  478. it’s yet another reason to be thankful for good Christian souls such as General Pinochet, who knew exactly how to deal with the leftist establishment, and to hope and pray that there will be more decent men like him.

    Yes, Pinochet wasn’t at all a bullyboy himself. And you could hardly call Pinochet’s Chile a ‘nanny state’, since nannies don’t normally strap electrodes to one’s testicles.

    THR

    January 14, 2010 at 9:22 pm

  479. I’m sure they’d be okay if they were baked in clay with a nice sauce and baby potatoes.

    Sinclair Davidson

    January 14, 2010 at 9:26 pm

  480. since nannies don’t normally strap electrodes to one’s testicles.

    Not normally. You have to pay extra for that.

    Sinclair Davidson

    January 14, 2010 at 9:27 pm

  481. You sick puppy Sinc

    tal

    January 14, 2010 at 9:31 pm

  482. JC, when I went to school it was basically drilled into us that if someone hits you, you must never ever hit back and are expected to go running to the nearest teacher. If you did fight back you were suspended.

    FFS. There is just no initiative these days. You don’t whack them back during school hours, you whack them after school. Or accidently flip a hockey ball into them at practice or whack them with a hockey stick. Don’t they teach deviousness at school any more?

    Sinclair Davidson

    January 14, 2010 at 9:31 pm

  483. Hey CL go visit the People’s Cube.The headlines from the year 2100 are hilarious
    http://thepeoplescube.com/

    tal

    January 15, 2010 at 1:15 pm

  484. Tony Abbott was on the 7.30 report last night, indicating that he was the greenest of Greens, and that he intends to unleash a Green Army to do some greening around the country (as long as it isn’t related to climate change).

    It’s a bold strategy, but I can’t see too many voters for whom the environment is important changing allegiances. The Coalition should have learnt an electoral lesson from Labor: there’s no point in installing a strident leader/militant policy to please the base, since the base has nobody else to vote for anyway.

    THR

    January 15, 2010 at 1:21 pm

  485. Lunatics, increasingly, are running the asylums in the Western world. In the US, 8 year-old boy-scout on no fly list. He shares the name of a long-forgotten suspicious man.

    New York Times (a paper which probably approves):

    Michael Winston Hicks’s mother initially sensed trouble when he was a baby and she could not get a seat for him on their flight to Florida at an airport kiosk; airline officials explained that his name “was on the list,” she recalled.

    The first time he was patted down, at Newark Liberty International Airport, Mikey was 2. He cried.

    After years of long delays and waits for supervisors at every airport ticket counter, this year’s vacation to the Bahamas badly shook up the family. Mikey was frisked on the way there, then more aggressively on the way home.

    “Up your arms, down your arms, up your crotch — someone is patting your 8-year-old down like he’s a criminal,” Mrs. Hicks recounted. “A terrorist can blow his underwear up and they don’t catch him. But my 8-year-old can’t walk through security without being frisked.”

    C.L.

    January 15, 2010 at 1:22 pm

  486. I can’t see too many voters for whom the environment is important changing allegiances
    .
    Greens wouldn’t support the Coalition even if they promised to turn the entire country into a vast heritage-listed National Park.
    The strategy, I’m guessing, is to neutralise the issue in the minds of middle Australia and swing voters.

    daddy dave

    January 15, 2010 at 1:33 pm

  487. Here’s the thing – the environment probably isn’t a vote changer for most Australians, despite the fact that most would like somebody to do something. For the few voters for whom it is a vote changer, they’re surely not going to be persuaded by Abbott’s road to Damascus moment, which doesn’t actually involve any acknowledgement of climate change. Also, talk of a ‘Green Army’ sounds like crankery, even if the policies are good. The MSM would not forgive the Greens for such a turn of phrase.

    THR

    January 15, 2010 at 1:35 pm

  488. The coalition shouldn’t seek support from Brown they should do their level best in depicting that party as a true fascist and try to destroy them. electorally.

    jc1

    January 15, 2010 at 1:39 pm

  489. What is with the English and redheads?

    BBC denies Doctor Who ‘anti-ginger’ regeneration.

    C.L.

    January 15, 2010 at 2:32 pm

  490. Chavez’s gin show of governance almost at an end:

    http://whackingday.com/new/?p=525

    The Venezuelan military shut down 70 firms, including a European-backed supermarket, apparently fulfilling a pledge to close businesses that raise prices after a massive currency devaluation.

    The government of leftist President Hugo Chavez asked the National Guard to close the stores for alleged “irregularities,” state-run news agency ABN said.

    A Caracas branch of French-backed supermarket Exito, was earlier closed for 24 hours for alleged price gouging.

    The news came as Venezuelans rushed to empty supermarket shelves of televisions, refrigerators in anticipation that prices would soar for imported items.

    […]

    “To those gentlemen, let’s call them looters of the people… If they want to, go ahead and do it, but we’ll take their business and hand it over to the workers,” Chavez said on his weekly radio and television talk show “Alo Presidente.”

    ABN said food, car part and other businesses were closed on Monday “for changing the price of products and for speculation.”

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 15, 2010 at 2:38 pm

  491. What is with the English and redheads?
    .
    They want the damn peasants to the north and west of ’em to leave their women alone. 🙂

    Adrien

    January 15, 2010 at 3:34 pm

  492. Which’d be fine with us if their women would only leave us alone. It’s not our fault that the English are a buncha underpants-wearing nancy boys.

    Adrien

    January 15, 2010 at 3:36 pm

  493. Two-part linky post on Paul Krugman’s latest baloney:

    Glenn Reynolds:

    MEGAN MCARDLE REMINDS PAUL KRUGMAN OF The Difference Between The U.S. And Europe. “I had roughly the same reaction that Matt Welch did: having lived in London for intermittent (short) periods, I found it noticeably poorer than the United States. It is not noticeable to tourists, mind you.” Or high-paid former Enron advisers. Related thoughts here. This stuff is embarrassing. The New York Times ought to get an economist on its oped page now and then to offer informed opinions on these matters.

    C.L.

    January 15, 2010 at 11:27 pm

  494. That ‘here’ link above is to Samizdata.

    I would like my first post on Samizdata to be something of lasting utility, and a link to a fact-packed post on a new blog might be just the thing. Super-Economy (wonderfully subtitled ‘Kurdish-Swedish perspectives on the American Economy’) kicked off with a broadside against the egregious Paul Krugman. Krugman had said in his New York Times column that the US has lessons to learn from the EU because the latter’s growth has been as good – well, almost – as that of the US recently.

    He demonstrated this by comparing US GDP levels with – incredible but true – three European cities: London, Paris and Frankfurt. Tino, the blogger, comes back not just with the obvious rebuttal of a comparison between a country and three of the world’s wealthiest cities but with tables comparing the US, its individual states and the countries of the EU. You can find, for example, that the UK ranks below Missouri in terms of GDP per head – but at least we are above Alabama, which beats France. In fact the UK has a GDP per head of $35,669 as compared with $45,489 for the US. The average for the EU15 is $33,452.

    Tino also tabulates GDP per head of various ethnic groups in Europe and their transplanted kin in the US. The average Brit is two-thirds as productive as the average ‘British-American’. The ethnic angle is what would have interested Steve Sailer, where I saw Tino’s blog linked…

    The differences Tino lists are huge enough to overwhelm any cavilling about definitions or methods. File the tables and use them as intellectual ammunition against anyone who argues that left-leaning Europe is better at capitalism than the US is.

    C.L.

    January 15, 2010 at 11:33 pm

  495. Meagan doesn’t explain the other bit of the nobel laureate’s brazen dishonesty, which was why would he compare London to the US? London is the wealthiest city in the Europe, so why not compare like with like. That would entail comparing NYC – Manhattan – to London.

    Krugman is just a very bad liar. In fact he’s pathetic.

    JC1

    January 15, 2010 at 11:52 pm

  496. The image of the Right in the American currently being extreme, nutty and heartlessly dumb is hardly helped by Limbaugh making these comments on Haiti:

    “This [the earthquake] will play right into Obama’s hands,” said Limbaugh. “He’s humanitarian, compassionate. They’ll use this to burnish their, shall we say, credibility with the black community – both light-skinned and dark-skinned black community in this country. This is made to order for them.”

    Limbaugh also warned Americans against donating money. “Besides, we’ve already donated to Haiti. It’s called the US income tax,” he said.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/15/haitians-donations-radio-rush-limbaugh

    Yet, I can’t see any coverage of this on the likes of conservative site Hot Air. Odd.

    steve from brisbane

    January 16, 2010 at 8:01 am

  497. In related matters, I note that Charles Johnson has a reasonable response on the “Danny Glover blames global warming for earthquake” story:

    littlegreenfootballs.com/article/35591_Outrageous_Outrage_of_the_Day_Starring_Danny_Glover

    And before CL chimes in with some generic LGF rubbishing, I’ll point out I don’t agree with every criticism made by Johnson since his abandonment of the American right, but in a general sense, I think he’s basically correct that the Right is a hopeless mess there at the moment.

    steve from brisbane

    January 16, 2010 at 8:16 am

  498. I’ve just posted this in another place in answer to what I thought were a couple of quite wrong headed statements about libertarians. But I reckon it will get a more comfortable reaction here than in the other place.

    ” the market process is always fair.”
    I don’t know anyone of libertarian or neo-liberal leanings who would claim this. No two people have the same view of what is “fair”. A market is composed of dozens or thousands or millions of people deciding what is best for themselves. What to buy, what to sell, where to work. Not unrestricted choices of course but the freer the market the wider the choices.
    “Economic democracy” is not a bad name for it.
    The alternative (and I accept it is not really either/or) of using government to decide what is best for people is usually corrupted by special interest groups (including corporations) and what politicians need to do and say things to get elected.
    “the opposite of liberty is the government”
    Again I don’t know of anyone who believes this. What many do believe is that governments are the greatest threat to liberty because they have coercive powers that no-one else has.
    Let’s take an example that we probably agree on. The US government’s outrageous action in sending people to countries where they will be interrogated and tortured. No company or private organisation could do this. Not even the mafia. Only a government.
    The Bush government was an unusual government because normally the US has greater respect for liberties but other governments have done the same or worse.
    Suspicion of government and its use of its power is a good everyday working rule.
    That’s what makes me a libertarian

    Ken Nielsen

    January 16, 2010 at 9:13 am

  499. Steve castigates TEH right before heartily running interference for Charles Johnson (!) – one of the web’s most notorious nutjobs and racists, the man whose site popularised “nuke Mecca” (inter alia).

    Pat Robertson’s views are in fact indistinguishable from those of warmenists who warn of Gaia’s retribution with 100 metre sea rises (Williams), more Hurricane Katrinas (Gore), more cyclones (Flannery), Nuremberg trials (Hansen) and a worldwide “fossil conspiracy” (Rudd).

    And Steve, would you stop referencing me when I’m not even here? You’re coming across as obsessed and slightly loopy.

    C.L.

    January 16, 2010 at 10:20 am

  500. Oh yes, re Johnson’s fellow leftist whackjob, Danny Glover, here’s what he said:

    The threat of what happened to Haiti is the threat that could happen anywhere in the Caribbean, to these island nations. You know, they’re all in peril because of global warming, they’re all in peril because of climate change and all this. And we need to find … when we did what we did at the climate summit, in Copenhagen, this is the response, this is what happens, you know what I’m sayin’? That we have to act now.

    He is clearly and undeniably linking an earthquake to global warming. Johnson’s apologia is 100 percent bullshit. He’s only running it because Blair clipped him recently for a truly deranged post on Sarah Palin.

    C.L.

    January 16, 2010 at 10:27 am

  501. This won’t be good for their self-esteem.

    Weight Watchers clinic floor collapses under dieters.

    The floor of a Weight Watchers clinic in Sweden collapsed beneath a group of 20 members of the weight loss programme who were gathered for a meeting.

    C.L.

    January 16, 2010 at 10:36 am

  502. I have opened up a new thread.

    Sinclair Davidson

    January 16, 2010 at 10:55 am


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