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We should always be aware of incentives caused by changes in policy. Far for me to advocate excessive regulation, but today’s report on WA about to remove registration stickers seems to open a new avenue for abuse. Registration stickers (I assume in WA too) have the registration number printed on them – it is easy for the Police to check that the registration number matches the number on the sticker (which is inside the car and less easy to tamper with).

While the WA Police seem to have some fancy technology, what’s to stop (say) a criminal swapping his/her number plate from one car to another (both being the same model and colour)? It would allow additional time to get away.

Perhaps there needs to be a way for a permanent number to be stamped on all of the panels of each car that can be read (say with UV light) and make it very difficult to tamper.

But we can expect big brother to instal some transmitting device into each car to ensure we all keep to the speed limit.

Happy New Year fellow Catallaxy file readers and bloggers. I’ll make one prediction: nuclear power will become acceptable in Australia during 2010.

Meanwhile, I’ll continue my dreams of a Personal Transportation Device which flies and is computer controlled making all public transportation redundant.

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Written by Samuel J

December 31, 2009 at 7:10 am

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  1. Unless they’ve changed in the 2 yrs since I left WA, WA rego stickers do not have the car registration number on them. They may have an index number (don’t recall specifically) but unlike eastern states rego stickers, they’re handed out from a pile at places like a post office, so they aren’t custom printed with details at the time you receive one.

    Duncan Riley

    December 31, 2009 at 8:43 am

  2. Lets hear it for nuclear power, clean and green!

    And for Australia as the world’s repository for nuclear waste, safe and out of the way, and worth mega-billions.

    Has anyone done a history of the nuclear power debate in Austrlia to explain how a bunch of loonies mnaged to dictate ALP policy on uranium mining and nuclear power?

    Rafe

    December 31, 2009 at 9:02 am

  3. I predict that Rudd will do another Zelig and morph to a point where he will lead the way on nuclear “clean” power, garnering a massive 78% popularity rating in the polls despite his flip-flopping on policy, record of non-achievement and total lack of personal charisma.

    Abu Chowdah

    December 31, 2009 at 9:10 am

  4. Samuel, I think you’ve got the wrong end of the stick here, with registration stickers.
    This is a move toward a more streamlined system with less regulation and less imposition on the citizenry.
    Police never check those stickers. Also, they’re too small to read from a distance or if the car is moving (although the colour indicates the year). They’re never used anyway, so this change doesn’t create any loopholes for criminals.
    .
    I drove around for two months before putting it on this year. My car was registered but I simply didn’t get around to changing the sticker right away. End result? Absolutely nothing.

    daddy dave

    December 31, 2009 at 9:39 am

  5. And for Australia as the world’s repository for nuclear waste, safe and out of the way, and worth mega-billions.
    .
    that will not happen because, even though the location will be a desolate piece of nowhere with scrub to the horizon in every direction, by sheer chance they will choose a location that happens to be a “sacred site.” There will be busloads of protesters heading out into the desert, singing songs and brandishing placards. There will be an enquiry and a royal commission. Public servants will be grilled about what they knew and when. It will dominate the news for months.

    daddy dave

    December 31, 2009 at 9:43 am

  6. Speaking of things automotive, you’ve got to hand it the Chinese:

    China shopping centre builds ‘car park for women’.

    A shopping centre in China’s Hebei province has built a car park with wider spaces that it says is designed especially to suit women drivers.

    The women-only car park in Shijiazhuang city is also painted in pink and light purple to appeal to female tastes.

    Official Wang Zheng told AFP news agency the car park was meant to cater to women’s “strong sense of colour and different sense of distance“.

    Here some examples of that “different sense of distance.” 🙂

    C.L.

    December 31, 2009 at 12:30 pm

  7. the car park was meant to cater to women’s “strong sense of colour and different sense of distance“.

    My better 1/2 has literally destroyed every panel on her car. She’s even wrecked the undercarriage as the car must have driven over a parking barrier. there isn’t one external piece of metal that hasn’t been dented.

    jc

    December 31, 2009 at 12:41 pm

  8. Bit of a coincidence – video from today’s UK Sun:

    Is this Britain’s worst parker?

    Unbelievable.

    C.L.

    December 31, 2009 at 2:59 pm

  9. Haha – I love this one where the bloke stuck behind her and eventually gets out to park her car for her… and it looks like that space WAS extra-wide.

    Fleeced

    December 31, 2009 at 3:48 pm

  10. My better 1/2 has literally destroyed every panel on her car.
    .
    I havce exactly the same situation. It’s embarrassing driving that thing around, there are dents and scrapes all over it. THen she had the gall to tell me that it was a piece of s__t. I said, “we paid good money for it.” She waved her hand at the car and said, “Look at the paintwork! It’s terrible.” And scowled at me as if it was my fault.
    Next time, I will make sure that I buy a car with indestructible paint.

    daddy dave

    December 31, 2009 at 4:58 pm

  11. Samuel,
    The stickers here do not have any individual information on them at all – it is just a sticker with the year, a particular colour and the month number on it.

    Andrew

    December 31, 2009 at 4:59 pm

  12. Dad:

    This one was a decent freaking car. It was a Eurotrash station wagon bought new and now about 2 1/2 years old and she’s rooted it. It’s completely rooted.

    Leaving aside the damage to the exterior, the inside of the poor thing is black and she’s managed to get all this white greasy crap over it as a result of skin creams and crap she uses. The interior is now basically a fluorescent white over black concoction.

    Don’t get me started as it really gets me angry.

    JC

    December 31, 2009 at 5:10 pm

  13. Don’t start on women drivers

    tal

    December 31, 2009 at 5:24 pm

  14. They’re really mean on the road, tal. Any discourteous act, such as not allowing you to jump a lane, turn a corner while the traffic is stopped is nearly always a female driver.

    In a sort of perverse way the Saudis have it about right. Of course their female driving ban is because of stupid religious reasons, however the beefits of not having them on the road is an unintended consequence.
    🙂

    JC

    December 31, 2009 at 5:29 pm

  15. So JC you don’t want Australian gals to wear tents,just to stay off the roads 🙂

    tal

    December 31, 2009 at 6:08 pm

  16. juuusttt kiddding Tal.

    Signing off now. Great new year.

    JC

    December 31, 2009 at 6:11 pm

  17. You too mate

    tal

    December 31, 2009 at 6:17 pm

  18. On our old car we had a registration ticket expiring on the 28th December. You’d be suprised how many times we’d get pulled over toward the end of December for “random registration checks”. Obviously there weren’t many stickers of that colour left on the roads by then.

    Tim Quilty

    January 2, 2010 at 4:52 pm

  19. Samuel, you’ve really, really misunderstood the importance of registration haven’t you?

    It’s linked to a number of other things – primarily compulsory insurance. An unregistered car is an uninsured car and if involved in an accident leaves the other parties without any recourse.

    The police also in many states have online access in their patrol cars to the registration databases so they can tell from the license plate number whether a car is registered or not. So …

    … swap plates? Why would I do that? I end up with one car (of the same make and model remember) off the road and undriveable and another car with a disguised identity that can only be determined by reference to the chassis number. But otherwise functionally identical for all purposes – including identification in robberies which I think is your implication.

    Talk about stretching a long bow. Talk about the perfect being the enemy of the good.

    (And I really don’t understand why you think a mere sticker inside the car is harder to tamper with than the metal plates on the outside. The other way round if anything.)

    JM

    January 5, 2010 at 12:42 am

  20. “It’s linked to a number of other things – primarily compulsory insurance. An unregistered car is an uninsured car and if involved in an accident leaves the other parties without any recourse.”

    Not quite right. Other parties have recourse to obtaining compensation via civil legal action; their insurer can undertake this as the circumstances require.

    dover_beach

    January 5, 2010 at 9:10 am

  21. Dover: “Not quite right”

    No, absolutely correct. A police officer will take an unregistered car off the road instantly in order to protect the interests of other people. No ifs, not buts. If you insist on driving the car, the officer will confiscate your license, arrest you and ultimately forcibly detain you.

    You might like to argue your right to drive because your victims can make claims through the civil courts, and you would be “Austrian” in doing so.

    But you would be wrong. Lot’s a luck.

    JM

    January 6, 2010 at 1:56 am

  22. No ifs, not buts. If you insist on driving the car, the officer will confiscate your license, arrest you and ultimately forcibly detain you.

    JM

    I went through a reg. check. Hadn’t received/lost the letter, didn’t think about and was stopped. The cop let me drive on, fined me 500 bucks and as soon as I got home paid the account.

    They do let you drive home if you appear to be an idiot like me who doesn’t even know my rego number etc.

    The risk is damn huge and I was panicked driving home.

    jc

    January 6, 2010 at 2:14 am

  23. “No, absolutely correct. A police officer will take an unregistered car off the road instantly in order to protect the interests of other people. No ifs, not buts. If you insist on driving the car, the officer will confiscate your license, arrest you and ultimately forcibly detain you.”

    This is a typical sort of answer from you. I said nothing about the police and whether it was legal to drive an unregistered vehicle. I simply said that if you were driving an unregistered/unlicensed vehicle and another party was unfortunate enough to have an accident with you, that, contrary to what you said, they would have recourse to compensation which would be undertaken via their insurer who would then, if appropriate, issue proceedings against you.

    “You might like to argue your right to drive because your victims can make claims through the civil courts, and you would be “Austrian” in doing so.”

    I wasn’t arguing for a “right” to drive, I simply corrected your erroneous statement that: An unregistered car is an uninsured car and if involved in an accident leaves the other parties without any recourse. This is simply wrong.

    BTW, please don’t drag me into one of your bottomless pits of continuous dissembling. People have accidents with other cars constantly. Occasionally, one of these cars that may be registered but not insured and yet arrangements between your insurer and themselves are made in order to garner compensation for the damages you’ve received.

    dover_beach

    January 6, 2010 at 8:16 am

  24. Dover.

    When you pay your registration fee it includes the compulsory insurances. They are unobtainable otherwise. The insurance you buy from private insurers – such as comprehensive insurance – is additional, over the top.

    If you haven’t paid your registration fee, you haven’t paid your insurance premium. An unregistered car, *is* an uninsured car.

    Further, as to recourse, society takes the attitude that an unregistered and uninsured car is a menace to other road users. Probably because a person who can’t afford registration won’t have much money to give up to a legal claim.

    You sound very much like you’re arguing that it’s just “a-ok” for someone to run into you, seriously injure you and just thumb their nose when you find they don’t have the money to pay your hospital bills or other compensation either.

    JM

    January 6, 2010 at 7:04 pm

  25. JC was that in Australia? Because I’ve seen what I described happen in Victoria. There was no way the officer was going to let the driver go home.

    He insisted that the car be parked and stay there while the driver went home to pay the rego over the internet.

    BTW – the driver got picked up solely on the basis of the license plate. The police have laptops in patrol cars with online access to the databases.

    JM

    January 6, 2010 at 7:15 pm

  26. “When you pay your registration fee it includes the compulsory insurances.”

    Yes, I know that. This insurance only covers third-parties.

    “If you haven’t paid your registration fee, you haven’t paid your insurance premium.”

    The money paid to the TAC is not a premium, its a levy. You are covered for motor injuries even if you have never paid this levy.

    “Further, as to recourse, society takes the attitude that an unregistered and uninsured car is a menace to other road users.”

    I agree.

    “You sound very much like you’re arguing that it’s just “a-ok” for someone to run into you, seriously injure you and just thumb their nose when you find they don’t have the money to pay your hospital bills or other compensation either.”

    Firstly, I don’t sound anything like that. Secondly, your hospital bills will be paid by your private insurer or Medicare and you will compensated sometime later, I believe, by the TAC; this has nothing to do with the other parties failure to register/insure their car. Thirdly, all I have objected to is your statement that: An unregistered car is an uninsured car and if involved in an accident leaves the other parties without any recourse. This is simply wrong.

    dover_beach

    January 7, 2010 at 8:52 am


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