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Written by Sinclair Davidson

December 31, 2009 at 5:21 pm

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  1. All the best to everyone. You there, FDB? Hope you’re doing OK. All the best for 2010.

    Adios.

    C.L.

    December 31, 2009 at 6:31 pm

  2. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091230184221.htm

    No Rise of Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide Fraction in Past 160 Years, New Research Finds
    ….
    In contradiction to some recent studies, he finds that the airborne fraction of carbon dioxide has not increased either during the past 150 years or during the most recent five decades.

    The research is published in Geophysical Research Letters.

    John H.

    January 1, 2010 at 4:39 am

  3. Like all studies of this kind, there are uncertainties in the data, so rather than relying on Nature to provide a free service, soaking up our waste carbon, we need to ascertain why the proportion being absorbed has not changed

    – Wolfgang Knorr

    rog

    January 1, 2010 at 7:34 am

  4. Gosh Rog, good point.

    Stay alert, people.

    Abu Chowdah

    January 1, 2010 at 7:49 am

  5. rather than relying on Nature to provide a free service
    .
    what about other free services, like all that free entertainment at the beach? Is “Nature” gonna start charging me for that?

    daddy dave

    January 1, 2010 at 8:50 am

  6. Thanks Sinc! An oldie but it never fails to stir…

    Rafe

    January 1, 2010 at 10:29 am

  7. I note the decade to 2010 was the hottest in recorded history but of course the planet is not getting warmer at all

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 1, 2010 at 11:00 am

  8. When you say the “hottest decade in recorded history,” you mean the last 50 years or so, right Butters? Nice try…

    Fleeced

    January 1, 2010 at 11:28 am

  9. I note the decade to 2010 was the hottest in recorded history.

    Yeah, the hottest decade in the several decades since anal-retentive weather records have been kept and most of those were compiled in townships without a functioning clock.

    Warmenists are a cheery lot, aren’t they? First day of the new year and they’re wetting their pants and predicting gloom.

    Yesterdau I noted something actually verifiable, statistically – which is that Obama has tripled the deficit. Homer the denialist wouldn’t hear it, of course.

    C.L.

    January 1, 2010 at 12:27 pm

  10. I don’t know, CL. I reckon this AGW thing is gonna be as big a disaster as the Y2K bug.

    Abu Chowdah

    January 1, 2010 at 1:12 pm

  11. Hey, some good news to start the new year:

    Finally, a grown-up in the Oval Office.

    C.L.

    January 1, 2010 at 1:48 pm

  12. The Salt Lake Tribune reports:

    Snowstorm squelches climate change protest.

    C.L.

    January 1, 2010 at 1:49 pm

  13. No in recorded history old son. that is about 160 years.

    Yeah CL ans I showed you were totally wrong as usual.

    Cl of course thinks once a president is gone the new president made all the decisions for his first budget.
    He probably thinks Bush is responsible for the balanced budget in 2001.

    i have never come across anyone attempting this claptrap before and it is so easy to demonstrate it is totally false but then again it is CL

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 1, 2010 at 2:21 pm

  14. Climate over 160 years? That’s like doing business cycle research with a sample period of three weeks or less.

    Sinclair Davidson

    January 1, 2010 at 3:09 pm

  15. gee Sinkers what does the word recorded mean to you.

    We do know the waffle about the world cooling since the 90s is just that.

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 1, 2010 at 3:33 pm

  16. Homer the Obama deficit denialist talking about statistics. Hilarious.

    In the latest Science Daily, more evidence that the science isn’t settled:

    No Rise of Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide Fraction in Past 160 Years, New Research Finds:

    Most of the carbon dioxide emitted by human activity does not remain in the atmosphere, but is instead absorbed by the oceans and terrestrial ecosystems. In fact, only about 45 percent of emitted carbon dioxide stays in the atmosphere.

    However, some studies have suggested that the ability of oceans and plants to absorb carbon dioxide recently may have begun to decline and that the airborne fraction of anthropogenic carbon dioxide emissions is therefore beginning to increase.

    Many climate models also assume that the airborne fraction will increase. Because understanding of the airborne fraction of carbon dioxide is important for predicting future climate change, it is essential to have accurate knowledge of whether that fraction is changing or will change as emissions increase.

    To assess whether the airborne fraction is indeed increasing, Wolfgang Knorr of the Department of Earth Sciences at the University of Bristol reanalyzed available atmospheric carbon dioxide and emissions data since 1850 and considers the uncertainties in the data.

    In contradiction to some recent studies, he finds that the airborne fraction of carbon dioxide has not increased either during the past 150 years or during the most recent five decades.

    Oops.

    C.L.

    January 1, 2010 at 3:42 pm

  17. Robert Byrd will be stoked:

    Democrats resegregate DC school system.

    “House and Senate Appropriators this week ignored the wishes of D.C.’s mayor, D.C.’s public schools chancellor, a majority of D.C.’s city council, and more than 70 percent of D.C. residents and have mandated the slow death of the D.C. Opportunity Scholarship Program. This successful school voucher program—for D.C.’s poorest families—has allowed more than 3,300 children to attend the best schools they have ever known.

    More of the Hopenchange that has made Obama the worst president in American history.

    C.L.

    January 1, 2010 at 3:50 pm

  18. Next chapter in the Obama catastrophe?

    What Americans might face next: inflation.

    “We have the most potentially inflationary policy I have ever observed in a developed country,” said Alan Meltzer, a Fed historian and professor of political economy at the Carnegie Mellon Tepper School of Business in Pittsburgh.

    C.L.

    January 1, 2010 at 4:05 pm

  19. As the old saying goes, it is an ill wind that blows nobody any good.
    The Austrians economists have gained a deal of positive commentary outide their usual circles due to their analysis of the fanancial crisis. You didn’t have to be an Austrian to see it coming but it helped!

    Rafe

    January 1, 2010 at 4:54 pm

  20. Actually Rafe a couple of Austrians saw it,but there were a number from various schools.

    The Austrians ,amongst various others,were very pronounced in being completely wrong about solving the problem

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 1, 2010 at 5:03 pm

  21. The Austrians economists have gained a deal of positive commentary outide their usual circles due to their analysis of the fanancial crisis. You didn’t have to be an Austrian to see it coming but it helped

    Is it not precisely the neoclassical mainstream that failed to see it coming?

    THR

    January 1, 2010 at 5:10 pm

  22. CL should stop reading editorials, oops

    rog

    January 1, 2010 at 5:11 pm

  23. You think it is solved? LOL

    Rafe

    January 1, 2010 at 5:17 pm

  24. Tal – sorry. I accidently deleted a comment of yours while cleaning out the spam filter. I can’t recover it, so please repost.

    Sinclair Davidson

    January 1, 2010 at 5:26 pm

  25. Rafe,

    Not all Austrians saw it coming. No ‘school’ can actually claim that that.
    Yes it is solved however getting back to ‘normal’ will take some time. 4-5 years if Rogoff and Reinhart are correct

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 1, 2010 at 5:55 pm

  26. sorry still waiting on CL to provide details of all the programs Obama has made to ‘triple ‘the deficit’.

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 1, 2010 at 5:57 pm

  27. Solved, Homer? The stimulus in the US is a massive failure and the “GFC” was never going to significantly affect Australia anyway – as was forecast in 2008.

    I haven’t posted an editorial, Rog.

    Oops.

    More of the famous accuracy that had Rog claiming last week that nuclear power had been made redundant by windmills.

    C.L.

    January 1, 2010 at 6:01 pm

  28. Homer speaks about the figures relating to “climate change” on one hand and then continues his deficit denialism on the other. Obama has tripled the deficit in a year, thus becoming the worst fiscal bum in US history.

    C.L.

    January 1, 2010 at 6:05 pm

  29. I hope everyone’s NYE was much fun.

    I’m surprised it has taken so long for ScienceDaily to mention this study; I referred over a month ago at least. And for the life of me I can’t work out what Rog’s point is in regards to it.

    And so far as Homer is concerned the world has indeed ‘cooled’ over the last decade; the failure to explain this without hand-waving references to internal natural variability is what Trenberth referred to in one of his Climategate emails as a ‘travesty’.

    dover_beach

    January 1, 2010 at 6:30 pm

  30. The Reality Based Community is at it again:

    Berkeley High School is considering a controversial proposal to eliminate science labs and the five science teachers who teach them to free up more resources to help struggling students.

    The proposal to put the science-lab cuts on the table was approved recently by Berkeley High’s School Governance Council, a body of teachers, parents, and students who oversee a plan to change the structure of the high school to address Berkeley’s dismal racial achievement gap, where white students are doing far better than the state average while black and Latino students are doing worse.

    http://www.eastbayexpress.com/ebx/berkeley-high-may-cut-out-science-labs/Content?oid=1536705

    Why don’t we abolish Nobel Prizes seeing as they also discriminate against black people?

    Michael Fisk

    January 1, 2010 at 6:33 pm

  31. sorry still waiting on CL to provide details of all the programs Obama has made to ‘triple ‘the deficit’.
    .
    bailouts, stimulus, more bailouts, more stimulus. and so on.
    Perhaps you should visit here or here occasionally to learn about the “news”. It can be a most interesting thing, this “news.”

    daddy dave

    January 1, 2010 at 6:45 pm

  32. Why don’t they investigate what is happening in the primary schools?

    Can someone explain how we get functional illiterates emerging out of the public school system after several years in primary followed by secondary?

    Rafe

    January 1, 2010 at 6:45 pm

  33. No point in denying the science when it comes to climate change and then proclaiming the science when it comes to the economy.

    When it comes to logic you guys are just so far behind the 8 ball.

    rog

    January 1, 2010 at 6:45 pm

  34. Rafe, you are getting as bad as JC

    Which is almost as bad as CL

    He often talks about this mythical “anybody” and “nobody” and now you want to talk to “someone”

    If nobody is your best mate then you have a problem

    rog

    January 1, 2010 at 6:50 pm

  35. Again, Rog, what are you talking about?

    dover_beach

    January 1, 2010 at 6:59 pm

  36. He often talks about this mythical “anybody” and “nobody” and now you want to talk to “someone”
    .
    It’s a rhetorical device (obviously). “Anybody” reading that comment could understand its meaning. I think you’re being deliberately obtuse.
    Rog, this is symptomatic of your increasingly snarky, sarcastic tone; it’s gone hand in hand with your shift to the left in your personal outlook.

    daddy dave

    January 1, 2010 at 7:04 pm

  37. Maybe Rog is a functional illiterate?

    Rafe

    January 1, 2010 at 7:10 pm

  38. Just to help Rog.
    We are told that black and latino students are doing badly the Berkeley high schools.
    Before students to to the high schools they spend some years in the primary schools.
    In the primary schools they are supposed to learn to read, write, sit still in class, do homework and etc.
    If the primary schools are failing (which we happen to know is often the case) then the students are not well prepared to do the more difficult high schoool work.
    They need remedial teaching but that is difficult.
    Prevention is better, that means better primary school teaching.
    So the Berleley folk need to do something about the primary schools and then they might be able to keep the science labs so the better kids can continue to do better and not get dragged down to the level of the under-achievers.
    In Australia we are told that alarming numbers of students emerge from the public school system as functional illiterates. I want to know how and why this is happening, given that the “penny schools” in some US colonies achieved better than 90% literacy with very few years of schooling before there was any public school system.

    Rafe

    January 1, 2010 at 7:18 pm

  39. A major reason is the absence of decent adult male role models for childen, especially, of course, male children.

    Epic fail by males.

    Male parents went missing for those children in most need of support, economic, moral, pedagogical and emotional, a couple of generations ago.

    We can thank neoliberal free market economics for that.

    pegasus

    January 1, 2010 at 7:33 pm

  40. Free markets. Is there anything they’re not responsible for (good things aside, of course)?

    Michael Sutcliffe

    January 1, 2010 at 7:55 pm

  41. Again, Rog, what are you talking about?

    Who knows. It a really weird combination of Homerlike stupidity mixed in with poison.

    JC

    January 1, 2010 at 7:55 pm

  42. Rog, this is symptomatic of your increasingly snarky, sarcastic tone; it’s gone hand in hand with your shift to the left in your personal outlook.

    I call it middle age doctors wife syndrome. Rog has caught a really bad dose of it and rivals homer for the stupid stakes. He’s like those middle aged embittered dickheads you see on the ABC’s Q&A program always demanding the gobermint take action against something they don’t like.

    Rog also hates Catholics which is another symptom of Doctors wife syndrome.

    JC

    January 1, 2010 at 8:00 pm

  43. Can someone explain how we get functional illiterates emerging out of the public school system after several years in primary followed by secondary?

    Especially when it’s not that hard to teach the average child. My four year old can read stuff like Dr Zeus and he starts school this year. I’m not a teacher and I’ve managed to get him to this standard with 20 minutes a night over the last year, along with basic arithmetic and countries of the globe.

    My personal take – these new ‘progressive education’ teaching systems are actually a load of shit when it comes to teaching your average child. They’re aimed at some little subset of children at the expense of the majority.

    Michael Sutcliffe

    January 1, 2010 at 8:02 pm

  44. Michael S

    Do you mean the Punjabi musical director Dr Zeus or Dr Seuss? The devil is in the detail for functional literacy. No?

    pegasus

    January 1, 2010 at 8:11 pm

  45. rog, the builder. Good man, with the good politics, a droll sense of humour who spent his working life actaully literally building something socially useful.

    Unlike jc who has only torn down and degraded and lost.

    No wonder he’s heart attack territory.

    pegasus

    January 1, 2010 at 8:14 pm

  46. “Is there anything they’re [free markets] not responsible for?”

    They’re certainly responsible for the proto-fascist US-generated “men’s rights movement” allied to rightwing neoconservatism and economic “libertarianism” – 21st century style.

    UGH.LY.

    Cyd

    January 1, 2010 at 8:33 pm

  47. Can someone explain how we get functional illiterates emerging out of the public school system after several years in primary followed by secondary?

    I ask myself the same question after reading Homer, Rog and Phil. Last year, Rog imperiously corrected me for writing “it’s” to convey “it is.” The correct word was “its,” he counselled.

    No point in denying the science when it comes to climate change and then proclaiming the science when it comes to the economy.

    Last week, science expert Rog claimed nuclear power had been made redundant by wind power.

    A major reason is the absence of decent adult male role models for childen, especially, of course, male children.

    Here’s Phil (Pegasus) last year on a male role model:

    An umistakable and glorious challenge, a globally hailed and celebrated declaration of the triumph of the human spirit, even from within the dark belly of the beast.

    Few things are more inspiring than this, ever.

    Malik Nidal Hasan. May you live in our memory and be honoured by billions and future generations forever.

    C.L.

    January 1, 2010 at 8:39 pm

  48. Phil/peg/cyd:

    Do you mean the Punjabi musical director Dr Zeus or Dr Seuss?

    Oh, he speaks Punjabi as well; India is a rising nation, don’t you know? Of course I meant Dr Seuss!

    “Is there anything they’re [free markets] not responsible for?”

    They’re certainly responsible for the proto-fascist US-generated “men’s rights movement” allied to rightwing neoconservatism and economic “libertarianism” – 21st century style.

    UGH.LY.

    Ah, Phil, you never let me down.

    Michael Sutcliffe

    January 1, 2010 at 8:43 pm

  49. Few things are more inspiring than this, ever.

    Malik Nidal Hasan. May you live in our memory and be honoured by billions and future generations forever.

    Yeah, that was a bit grim, Phil. Even you must agree in hindsight, hence the changing of your username?

    Michael Sutcliffe

    January 1, 2010 at 8:45 pm

  50. I have to agree, Cl. The dumbing down of the school system in an age of plenty has created so many examples human absurdities that is no longer funny. This isn’t a joke any more.

    It’s the dark side of public education.

    JC

    January 1, 2010 at 8:46 pm

  51. Last week, science expert Rog claimed nuclear power had been made redundant by wind power.

    Earlier the proponent of propellers-on-sticks (that are somehow going to provide energy to an industrial civilization) suggested that nuclear energy “isn’t carbon friendly” with an imperial arrogance that just takes ones breath away.

    Building them he suggested is too gassy. This reverse Einstein thought that people are proposing energy producing models with greater energy input than output. The thought process is alarming.

    JC

    January 1, 2010 at 8:52 pm

  52. I don’t know about Pegasus but this is my male role model du jour.

    Cyd

    January 1, 2010 at 8:53 pm

  53. No wonder he’s heart attack territory.

    Thanks for asking Phil, but as a hypochondriac that is the first thing I check out regularly and it’s pacing fantastically with resting rates as low as 60 and running rate only 125. My recent (annual stress) test shows this ticker is a master piece in plumbing workmanship.

    JC

    January 1, 2010 at 8:56 pm

  54. Snoopy you are dead wrong. The average world temperature rose over the ten years to 2010.

    CL cannot substantiate what programs led to this tripling.

    Let us have some fun.Imagine McCain won.

    What would have happen to the deficit.

    It wouldn’t be all that different.
    The weak economy would be worse as would be expenditure on Iraq/Afghanistan.

    His tax cuts would be a tad less in the opening years but a much larger expense in later years just like the Bush tax-cuts are.
    They caused the deficit to blow out by $364b in 2009m and the figure rises to $714b in 2019 according to the CBO.

    CL caught out lying AGAIN. Forrst caught out be stupid again.

    A year 12 student could prove this.

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 1, 2010 at 8:58 pm

  55. I don’t know about Pegasus but this is my male role model du jour.

    Cyd, Do you often talk to the other personalities like Peggy and Phil.

    I’m really interested in how multiple personality disorder works, so if I’m getting too personal stop me now.

    Does Cyd, for instance have bad days while Phil and Peggy have relatively good ones?

    How does Peggy and Cyd deal with Phil’s “full figure” especially when the other two want to diet and work out more to lose those extra pounds?

    Thanks.

    JC

    January 1, 2010 at 9:01 pm

  56. Homer’s now doing “What if” history in his unique style.

    JC

    January 1, 2010 at 9:02 pm

  57. Imagine McCain won.
    .
    We can’t know. I don’t say that as a cop-out, but because it’s a futile exercise.
    However, I understand the point you’re trying to make by proposing the “what if” game. You’re basically trying to say, Obama’s decision making must be seen in context of the problems he faces; it’s entirely possible, even likely (in your view) that another leader – let’s say McCain to keep it simple – might have made.
    .
    and, to be fair, this is the position that Obama’s defenders have been taking, not just here but all over the place.
    .
    Even so, he’s the one making the calls. He’s the one who must accept the consequences. The fact that McCain might have made the same mistakes is not a credible defense.
    The only question is: has he done well or has he erred
    ? Or, “was this decision a mistake? What about that one?”
    There’s nothing else.

    daddy dave

    January 1, 2010 at 9:19 pm

  58. DD,

    Saying Obama tripled the deficit is not telling the truth. It is like saying Bush was responsible for the balanced budget in 2001.
    Simpletons might grasp at such straws but it fiscally illiterate at best to even attempt to make a statement.

    Ironically ARRA wasn’t a large program and certainly less costly than the proposed tax cuts by those who wish to ‘reduce the deficit’!

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 1, 2010 at 9:24 pm

  59. Let us have some fun. Imagine McCain won.

    No, let’s just go on having fun watching Obama – who DID win.

    Dem recruits continue to head for exits.

    Democrats have lost yet another touted recruit, this time in Kansas.

    State Sen. Laura Kelly (D) just announced her withdrawal from the race to face Rep. Lynn Jenkins (R-Kan.). She becomes the fifth formidable recruit to bow out in recent weeks.

    Obama has become the most unpopular first-term president since polling began and the rats are now jumping ship.

    What would have happen to the deficit.

    I don’t know what would have happened to the deficit if McCain won, Homer. I do know that OBAMA won and then tripled the deficit. He is the worst fiscal deadbeat in US history.

    Obama’s October Deficit topped Bush’s Deficit for All of 2007.

    Heckuva job, Barry!

    C.L.

    January 1, 2010 at 9:25 pm

  60. As always good points, Dads.

    I actually think that the GOP brand could have been destroyed if McCain had won the election. Bush did his best to ruin it and it’s an open question if they can retrieve it.

    I would have voted for Obama in that election as he presented himself as a centrist. That’s how a lot of Americans perceived him. He obviously lied and hopefully he will pay dearly as a result.

    JC

    January 1, 2010 at 9:25 pm

  61. Saying Obama tripled the deficit is not telling the truth. It is like saying Bush was responsible for the balanced budget in 2001.

    Bush WAS responsible for the surplus in 01. It was his budget that produced the surplus after all. He could have done a Barry and collapsed the budget into very dangerous territory like Barry’s done by tripling the deficit in his first budget.

    You sign a budget, you own it, homer. No debate on this point you moron.

    JC

    January 1, 2010 at 9:33 pm

  62. CL:

    Truth be known though. Every single incumbent ought to get the size 10 hobnail up the arse in 2010. There shouldn’t be one left.

    The entire political class in Washington ought to be fried in burning oil.

    The Demolition party deserves this treatment the most, but lets not forget the republicans for giving the Dem(olitionists) the cover to go spending in such a deranged and dishonest way.

    JC

    January 1, 2010 at 9:39 pm

  63. Saying Obama tripled the deficit is not telling the truth.
    .
    Okay, so how much did he increase the deficit by? Did he merely double it? You seem to be sure that jc is wrong, so you must have this knowledge at your fingertips. Please enlighten.
    All I know is that he’s a big, reckless spender. That much is obvious. I’m too lazy to go find out the percentage amount that the deficit has increased by.

    daddy dave

    January 1, 2010 at 9:51 pm

  64. Michael S, so you DID mean Dr Seuss?

    Then why didn’t you write that instead of Dr “Zeus”?

    pegasus

    January 1, 2010 at 9:58 pm

  65. it doesn’t matter which way you do it some people take their stupidity as a badge of pride.

    Add their ignorance of basis fiscal literacy and wallah.

    Sorry what spending is that Forrest?

    Curtail Tarp etc oops back in recession again idiot.
    Get rid of Bush’s tax cuts This is one of the major reasons for the deficit..Naa. Forest is too dishonest for that.

    how about curtailing the expenditure on Iraq and Afghanistan? No

    What about the economy now recovering but still weak?

    have another chocolate!

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 1, 2010 at 10:00 pm

  66. See this is exactly the sort of thing I meant about adult male role models.

    Kids need literate parents if they themselves are to have a hope of being literate, or the confidence to be literate.

    pegasus

    January 1, 2010 at 10:01 pm

  67. have another chocolate!

    While Rog says:

    have another fag

    Is this some sort of Eastwood thing, as it really sounds funny is stupid sort of way?

    Homer:

    Bush’s tax cuts had little impact, dopey. What did have an impact was unrestrained spending and the war effort.

    JC

    January 1, 2010 at 10:07 pm

  68. Phil, peggy says:

    See this is exactly the sort of thing I meant about adult male role models.

    After making this comment on the day dozens of people were shot by a deranged loon.

    An umistakable and glorious challenge, a globally hailed and celebrated declaration of the triumph of the human spirit, even from within the dark belly of the beast.

    Few things are more inspiring than this, ever.

    Malik Nidal Hasan. May you live in our memory and be honoured by billions and future generations forever.

    Phil, you have a hide to be talking about role models. No wonder you changed your moniker you disgusting, filthy creature.

    JC

    January 1, 2010 at 10:11 pm

  69. So to recap.

    Growing illiteracy and even speech deficiencies among the poorest sections of the working class in advanced capitalist countries today, like the US and Australia, can be largely sheeted home to the failure of adult male parenting which itself in turn is symptomatic and a product of the failure of market economics influenced by neoliberalism.

    pegasus

    January 1, 2010 at 10:12 pm

  70. Curtail Tarp etc oops back in recession again idiot.

    Homer… I’ve been telling you 10 times now on various threads. The TARP was accounted for in the Bush budget year, not Obama’s, which begins and ends on the state of the Union address in January.

    One last time.. The TARP money was accounted for (in the budget) in the 2008/2009 year when Bush was still president. In fact Barry’s budget has seen 50% of the TARP being repaid which still doesn’t make a dent in the deadbeat’s deficit.

    The only part of the TARP that looks like a loser is Barry rifling money to his constituency in Detroit which has been lost.

    Is this clear to you now, you freaking moron. TARP happened in Sept/Oct 2008.

    Please make this the last time you ever mention this you lying dope.

    JC

    January 1, 2010 at 10:20 pm

  71. Forrest who who understand these things know the figure and it is big, only the economic downturn makes a bigger contribution to the deficit.

    Have another chocolate. Try the CBO on the otherhand you wouldn’t understand.

    give it a miss and continue to give us your full expertise on issues you know nothing about

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 1, 2010 at 10:20 pm

  72. No idea what you are talking about jc.

    Peggy disowns Phil.

    Will Phil now disown Peggy? Let the drama begin.

    JC

    January 1, 2010 at 10:22 pm

  73. Forrest who who understand these things know the figure and it is big, only the economic downturn makes a bigger contribution to the deficit.

    You mean like previous deep downturns such as the 90/91 and 80/81 recessions when the deficit never breached 4%? Like those, right?

    You have the nerve to tell us that this downturn deserves a deficit of 13% as a normal course of operations.

    Fuck off Homer, you dishonest idiot.

    Have another chocolate. Try the CBO on the otherhand you wouldn’t understand.

    What I don’t understand is your appalling diction.

    give it a miss and continue to give us your full expertise on issues you know nothing about

    Says the clown who posted those skanke ho comments and revels in nazi economics.

    You egg nog.

    JC

    January 1, 2010 at 10:27 pm

  74. Yeah JC, it would be great to get rid of this whole generation of the Washington senatorial class. With some notable exceptions, they are essentially thieves who rob the taxpayers for their own political devices when it suits them. Judicial Watch’s top ten corrupt politicians was published last week. Nine of the ten are Democrats, including such criminals as Chris Dodd and financial meltdown architect Barney Frank – both of whom, speaking quite seriously, ought to be in jail. Others on the list were Nancy Pelosi – the worst Speaker in American history – and Barack Obama.

    Try the CBO.

    OK. The CBO confirms that Obama has tripled the deficit.

    C.L.

    January 1, 2010 at 10:31 pm

  75. On catallaxy everybody wants to be somebody.

    In an effort to elevate his status from “nobody” to “somebody” JC suggests that the incumbents be “fried in oil”

    Previous incumbents escape his medieval prescription despite GFC, bailouts and TARP happening on GWBs watch.

    JC’s rating remains unchanged at “useless”

    rog

    January 1, 2010 at 10:35 pm

  76. OK. The CBO confirms that Obama has tripled the deficit.

    Interesting Chart.

    Bush inherited a recession as a result of the tech crash and the worst/recession deficit year was $400 Billion even after 911 (in 03). He also left the country in a recession and his last deficit was $400 (in 08).

    Barry’s first year is $1.9 trillion which Homer sweeps away as either a Keynesian spending program while at other times it’s all Bush’s fault depending on the circumstances.

    Dishonest dick.

    JC

    January 1, 2010 at 10:38 pm

  77. Peg, the failure of adult male parenting in the US can be traced to Pres Lyndon Johnson’s “Great Society” programs and the “War on Poverty” of the 1970s which gutted poor families (especialy black families) by making the mothers financially independent of a male breadwinner.

    You have inverted the truth of the matter by trying to blame market economics influenced by neoliberalism.

    http://www.thefreemanonline.org/featured/why-the-war-on-poverty-failed/#

    Well, it’s now official: the war on poverty was a costly, tragic mistake. Ordinary people have suspected that for decades, of course, but we had to wait for the New York Times to decide this news was fit to print—which it finally did on February 9, 1998. In a front-page story on poverty in rural Kentucky, Michael Janofsky detailed the failure of this effort in the one region that was supposed to be the centerpiece of reform. “Federal and state agencies have plowed billions of dollars into Appalachia,” he wrote, yet the area “looks much as it did 30 years ago, when President Lyndon B. Johnson declared a war on poverty, taking special aim at the rural decay.”1

    Janofsky visited Owsley County, Kentucky, and found a poverty rate of over 46 percent, with over half the adults illiterate and half unemployed. “Feelings of hopelessness have become so deeply entrenched,” he reported, “that many residents have long forsaken any expectation of bettering themselves.” For years, the government has been trying to treat the despair with welfare programs: two-thirds of the inhabitants receive federal assistance, including food stamps, AFDC, and SSI disability payments. This, it now appears, is part of the area’s problems.

    “The war on poverty was the worst thing that ever happened to Appalachia,” Janofsky quotes one resident as saying. “It gave people a way to get by without having to do any work.” Local officials told him that “many parents urge their children to try to go to special education classes at school as a way to prove they are eligible for [SSI] disability benefits.” (The senior class at the local high school picked as its motto, “I came, I slept, I graduated.”)

    Rafe

    January 1, 2010 at 10:39 pm

  78. What are you trying to say, Rog?

    You may as well post randomly chosen words these days for all the sense you make.

    Previous incumbents escape his medieval prescription despite GFC, bailouts and TARP happening on GWBs watch.

    Ah, no Rog. I really don’t think you even know the meaning of the word incumbent. It doesn’t refer to the party in power but all the current office holders (in this case) in Congress.

    This means I would like to see every single congressional office holder (incumbent) dumped “irregardless” of party affiliation.

    Rog , you have to be the bluntest knife in the draw.

    JC

    January 1, 2010 at 10:45 pm

  79. In short JC is an eggnog.

    Plagiarizing now Phil? What a role model.

    (Disgusting filthy creature).

    JC

    January 1, 2010 at 10:47 pm

  80. Rog says:

    blog updates spaces preference while congress uses finds explore and library along with Bush and the ETS when Turnbull was farm and tree.

    JC

    January 1, 2010 at 10:51 pm

  81. Rafe, seriously, anything coming from a thinktank that calls itself “FreeMan” (sic) and which cites only rightwing ideologues like Hayek and Mises among the exclusively male “intellectual giants” from which its “scholarship” is drawn, cannot be taken seriously, not least in this laughably Orwellian piece which blames poverty on attempts to alleviate it and on measures which progressed women’s economic independence.

    pegasus

    January 1, 2010 at 10:52 pm

  82. CBO confirms that CL is a tosser

    rog

    January 1, 2010 at 10:54 pm

  83. Very true, Rafe. Johnson’s Great Society was a tragedy of epic proportions. LBJ always yearned to be like Roosevelt. Thanks to FDR, Johnson became a big political wheel in Texas and he became somehwat addicted to both the psychology and the self-aggrandising benefits of being a sugar daddy, especially but not exclusively in such places as Appalachia and his old stomping grounds in Texas. His Great Society program was fantastic interventionist nonsense of almost Soviet proportions. It succeeded only in creating a permanent underclass and a permanent constituency for Democrats.

    C.L.

    January 1, 2010 at 10:55 pm

  84. Rog:

    You moron, that doesn’t come from the CBO. It’s a regular blog site.

    No freaking wonder you’ve gone bust, you impervious clown.

    JC

    January 1, 2010 at 10:57 pm

  85. The $2 trillion CBO swing was analyzed as

    – Recessions or the business cycle (37%);
    – Policies enacted by President Bush (33%);
    – Policies enacted by President Bush and supported or extended by President Obama (20%); and
    – New policies from President Obama (10%).

    rog

    January 1, 2010 at 11:03 pm

  86. Thanks for that graph at the New York Times, Rog.

    Here’s the graph showing that Obama has tripled the deficit – while lying about the bottom line, acccording to the CBO.

    Incidentally, do you understand how to use “it’s” and “its” now? Would you like me to explain it to you? I’m just wondering what value to place on your scientific and econometric observations given that you’re all at sea on the subject of contractons and posessive pronouns.

    C.L.

    January 1, 2010 at 11:08 pm

  87. Rafe, as always, the truth of such matters is often best explored and described in literature.

    A superb taste of and insight into the Ozarks and Appalachian rural poor and the collapse of male parenting therein in the post-war period can be found in the wonderful series of country noir novels of ex-military writer, Daniel Woodrell.

    pegasus

    January 1, 2010 at 11:11 pm

  88. It is incontestable that under GWB the economy fell into recession during a time of excessive govt borrowing

    rog

    January 1, 2010 at 11:12 pm

  89. CL’s pathetic contribution is from zdavatz.files.wordpress.com – whoever zdavatz is

    rog

    January 1, 2010 at 11:14 pm

  90. Rog:

    You said the link was from the CBO. It wasn’t yet you abused CL with:

    “CBO confirms that CL is a tosser”.

    The link did nothing of the sort as it wasn’t from the “CBO”.

    You ought to apologize for either being dishonest or (more likely) just a mere simpleton in which case you also ought to be apologizing to your creditors.

    Your partisan non-CBO link also doesn’t project the further spending into outer years that Barry is incurring on behalf of the country. It goes back in the Bush years but fails to project out for the same number of years even under Barry’s current spending plans.

    In short, Rog, you’re a poisonous freaking twerp who is trying to be someone your not … half way smart.

    JC

    January 1, 2010 at 11:14 pm

  91. “contractons and posessive pronouns”?

    here CL, a few spare bibs and bobs

    ””’iiiissss””

    feel free

    rog

    January 1, 2010 at 11:16 pm

  92. Rog;

    You suggested the link was from the CBO. It wasn’t. Apologize to Cl and your creditors.

    JC

    January 1, 2010 at 11:18 pm

  93. JC argues that GWB was a fiscal conservative

    Who would be willing to second that nonsense?

    rog

    January 1, 2010 at 11:18 pm

  94. JC argues that GWB was a fiscal conservative

    No I didn’t Rog.

    See here:

    Bush did his best to ruin it and it’s an open question if they can retrieve it.

    I would have voted for Obama in that election as he presented himself as a centrist. That’s how a lot of Americans perceived him. He obviously lied and hopefully he will pay dearly as a result.

    What I argue Rog is that you’re a dishonest poisonous turd who really needs to figure why he posts comments here and sort out those pesky problems with your creditors after busting out in the biggest land boom of the past 100 years.

    JC

    January 1, 2010 at 11:24 pm

  95. Hi Phil, just calling in to ask whether you are still on the Hasan bandwagon and all. Thanks.

    Michael Fisk

    January 1, 2010 at 11:24 pm

  96. Rog:

    You said:

    CBO confirms that CL is a tosser

    That link was not to the CBO and neither was any references to the CBO.

    Retract it.

    JC

    January 1, 2010 at 11:29 pm

  97. More evidence that Rog is the “tosser”.

    JC argues that GWB was a fiscal conservative

    Who would be willing to second that nonsense?

    What I also said was:

    Bush’s tax cuts had little impact, dopey. What did have an impact was unrestrained spending and the war effort.

    That’s two apologies, Rog. Man up.

    JC

    January 1, 2010 at 11:46 pm

  98. You moron, that doesn’t come from the CBO. It’s a regular blog site.

    Yes, surprise surprise – Rog was lying. The graph didn’t come from the CBO but from left-wing New York Times journalist David Leonhardt. Leonhardt “analyzed” CBO documents to come up with the new spin. Helping with his thesis were – I kid you not – such impartial interviewees as White House budget director Peter Orszag (who said health care “reform” would help reduce government spending – LOL) and Berkley economist, Alan Auerbach, who blamed Bush.

    Returning to the CBO:

    Obama’s Deficit Projections Off by $2.3 Trillion, Congressional Budget Office Says.

    WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama’s budget would produce $9.3 trillion in deficits over the next decade, an eye-popping figure that threatens his ambitious goals to overhaul health care and explore new energy sources, congressional auditors said.

    The new Congressional Budget Office figures that emerged Friday offered a far more dire outlook for Obama’s budget than the new administration predicted just last month — a deficit $2.3 trillion worse. It’s a prospect even the president’s own budget director called unsustainable.

    In his White House run, Obama assailed the economic policies of his predecessor, President George W. Bush. But the dismal deficit figures, if they prove to be accurate, would amount to more than four times the deficits of Bush’s presidency and raise the prospect that Obama and his Democratic allies controlling Congress would have to consider raising taxes after the recession ends.

    By the auditors’ calculation, Obama’s budget would generate deficits averaging almost $1 trillion a year of red ink over 2010-2019.

    Worst of all, the budget office says the deficit under Obama’s policies would never go below 4 percent of the size of the economy, figures that economists agree are unsustainable. By the end of the decade, the deficit would exceed 5 percent of gross domestic product, a dangerously high level.

    It’s* only a matter of time before we start noting that Obama has not merely tripled but possibly quadrupled the deficit.

    *Note correct use of apostrophe, Rog.

    C.L.

    January 2, 2010 at 12:01 am

  99. Rog is the Cat’s version of a Canadian baby clubbed seal. He’s so helpless (hopeless) that it’s cruel.

    JC

    January 2, 2010 at 12:05 am

  100. CL’s pathetic contribution is from zdavatz.files.wordpress.com – whoever zdavatz is.

    The graph has been widely produced on the internet, Rog. It first appeared in that bastion of anti-Obama polemics, the Washington Post. SOURCE: CBO, White House Office of Management and Budget, The Washington Post – March 21, 2009.

    So let’s recap: Rog posted a graph which he said was from the CBO but wasn’t. Then he trashed a graphic that was from the CBO which he said was produced by “zdavatz.”

    You’re a mendacious, incompetent clown, Rog.

    I expect you’ll now start attacking Mary Mackillop.

    Go on. You know you want to.

    C.L.

    January 2, 2010 at 12:15 am

  101. imagine buying one of his buildings…. The floor would have a one meter slant and he’d would swear black and blue that it was level.

    JC

    January 2, 2010 at 12:18 am

  102. The best way to see at what’s going on is to look at CL’s chart that contains the CBO’s actual budget performance and anticipated performance.

    Under the Bush total accumulated deficit was $1.7 trillion (est).

    Meanwhile the CBO’s projections under this current deadbeat is $12 trillion.

    By any measure this is the worst disciplined president in the history of the the republic. deadeat is the right way to describe him.

    JC

    January 2, 2010 at 1:28 am

  103. Hah, the katzenjammer kids continue with their delusion that the effects of GWBs lack of fiscal restraint was limited to his period in office.

    Only days before Obama’s inauguration did the CBO project a $1.2 trillion deficit. It was Bush’s man Paulson that demanded $700B from Congress, it was under Bush’s watch that the stock market lost $7trillion driving down 2009 Treasury revenues by $144 billion and it was Bush’s war on terror that blew out defense spending by $1 trillion leaving Medicare unfunded.

    GWB’s economic policies, or lack of, have left the nation paying $400b a year in interest.

    rog

    January 2, 2010 at 6:34 am

  104. Here is CLs corrected chart, which he claimed was from the CBO (but it wasnt).

    Notice how most of the deficit occurred under GWB.

    Blind freddy can see that Obama inherited a mess, even Cato puts the “Obama add ons” at 4%

    The 2009 fiscal year began Oct. 1, 2008, nearly four months before Obama took office. The budget for the entire fiscal year was largely set in place while President Bush was in the White House.

    rog

    January 2, 2010 at 6:51 am

  105. “Snoopy you are dead wrong. The average world temperature rose over the ten years to 2010.”

    Lets look at the trend since 2001 of global average temps using temp values from HadCRUT:

    Yes, that’s right; global avg temp is in decline.

    Here is another figure showing all four major surface and satellite datasets along with A1B projections (IPCC) in the background:

    All four show either stasis if you begin at 2000 and a decline if you begin from 2001; and only GISS falls within one standard deviation of the A1B projection, HadCRUT, RSS and UAH temp trends all falsify the A1B multi-model mean.

    Sorry, but you are, again, dead wrong Homer.

    dover_beach

    January 2, 2010 at 9:38 am

  106. As expected, Rog – who has no character – offers no apology for lying.

    Here is CLs corrected chart…

    And he continues with the lie. It isn’t my chart. Here it is when it first appeared in well-known anti-Democrat organ, the Washington Post. It shows that Obama has tripled the deficit. Caption: SOURCE: CBO, White House Office of Management and Budget, The Washington Post – March 21, 2009. Second, it isn’t a

    The CBO has also warned that Obama may end up quadrupling the deficit.

    C.L.

    January 2, 2010 at 11:59 am

  107. London Economist poll: Obama’s approval rating drops to a record low.

    C.L.

    January 2, 2010 at 12:02 pm

  108. The other amusing thing about Homer’s reading of economic history is that he claims huge spending has saved the world economy. He then blames Bush for that spending. Ergo: he’s saying that Bush saved the world economy. Oops.

    C.L.

    January 2, 2010 at 12:04 pm

  109. As homer proves and Rog has taken up with a certain verve and zeal there’s nothing worse than combining stupidity with ego.

    He can’t admit that part of the chart comes from the CBo.

    What a complete jerkoff.

    JC

    January 2, 2010 at 12:07 pm

  110. Cheney versus Obama “administration”:

    58% Favor Waterboarding of Plane Terrorist To Get Information.

    Cheney wins.

    C.L.

    January 2, 2010 at 12:14 pm

  111. We should have a rule to waterboard Homer and his ventriloquist doll (Rog) every time they lie or say something really stupid.

    “Nuclear is carbon unfriendly” (Rog) would deserve an entire day of water-boarding.

    The “its” vs “it’s” “correction” (Rog again) possibly three days.

    JC

    January 2, 2010 at 12:22 pm

  112. Global colding kills scores in India.

    New Delhi – At least 17 people died as towns and cities in India’s northern states were hit by cold weather, officials said on Friday.

    “Sixteen people have died in Uttar Pradesh since early Wednesday due to cold [weather] conditions in the state. Most victims were homeless or pavement dwellers,” state police spokesman G N Khanna said.

    Police in Jammu, the winter capital of India-administered Kashmir, found the body of a worker who also died due to the cold.

    http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=126&art_id=nw20100101113458666C113855

    JC

    January 2, 2010 at 12:40 pm

  113. come on guys, let’s keep it civil.

    daddy dave

    January 2, 2010 at 1:29 pm

  114. Adam Phillips: “Well I think capitalism is for children”

    Interesting discussion on ABC RN this am

    http://www.abc.net.au/rn/saturdayextra/stories/2010/2760717.htm

    And as the crisis of capitalism deepens, the infantilisation of adults becomes more of a problem in terms of destructive or negligent behaviours of adults towards children which is manifested in all sorts of ways in which children – all children – are becoming increasingly less safe.

    Cyd

    January 2, 2010 at 1:43 pm

  115. Even the New York Times now openly mocking global warming, comparing it to Y2K and other mass hysteria phenomena.

    Apocalyptic scenarios [like Y2K] are a diversion from real problems — poverty, terrorism, broken financial systems — needing intelligent attention. Even something as down-to-earth as the swine-flu scare has seemed at moments to be less about testing our health care system and its emergency readiness than about the fate of a diseased civilization drowning in its own fluids. We wallow in the idea that one day everything might change in, as St. Paul put it, the “twinkling of an eye” — that a calamity might prove to be the longed-for transformation. But turning practical problems into cosmic cataclysms takes us further away from actual solutions.

    This applies, in my view, to the towering seas, storms, droughts and mass extinctions of popular climate catastrophism. Such entertaining visions owe less to scientific climatology than to eschatology, and that familiar sense that modernity and its wasteful comforts are bringing us closer to a biblical day of judgment. As that headline put it for Y2K, predictions of the end of the world are often intertwined with condemnations of human “folly, greed and denial.” Repent and recycle!

    C.L.

    January 2, 2010 at 2:58 pm

  116. ‘Teh Left’ are questioning their gods! Heresy!

    Michael Sutcliffe

    January 2, 2010 at 3:02 pm

  117. Snoopy,

    Despite the deepest solar minimum the 2000’s were the hottest decade in recorded history. They were warmer than the previous decade which was the 1990s.

    Sinkers doesn’t like average temperature readings for 160 years he would be laughing about readings since 2001.

    CL still cannot and will not detail the policies Obama put forward that has increased the deficit.
    oops.

    He thinks the health bill will increase the deficit however the CBO says the opposite. gosh who to believe!

    Cl provides estimates on the 2009 fiscal year ( that turned out to be wrong.

    Obama inaugurated when and the budget is solely what he put forward.
    This is as stupid as Forrest claiming Bush’s 2001 budget were all his policies. They weren’t.
    The minute he put his policies into action there was a deficit.

    The problem about spending is that it isn’t all the same. Which is why ARRA had a larger impact than the other areas despite their larger number.
    Mind you CL doesn’t believe the planet is warming despite clear evidence to the contrary.

    Forrest claims the Bush tax cuts do not contribute to the deficit. oops it was $364 b in fiscal year 2009.
    Holy Subtraction Batman Forrest is clueless on this.

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 2, 2010 at 3:33 pm

  118. CL, that New York Times piece is by Dennis Dutton, editor of aldaily.com, the site that introduced me to Mark Steyn. He’s not exactly known for his left-wing views, you might say.
    Even so, the fact that the NYT published the article is significant.

    daddy dave

    January 2, 2010 at 3:48 pm

  119. CL still cannot and will not detail the policies Obama put forward that has increased the deficit.
    .
    stimulus, bailout, stimulus, bailout, stimulus, bailout. etc. End of discussion.

    daddy dave

    January 2, 2010 at 3:50 pm

  120. DD what are the sums.

    actually I will give you a leg-up.

    ARRA contributes $184b in 2009 and then $323b in 2010 and then $$161b in 2011.oops wrong there.

    Bail-outs. Well Tarp + GSEs is $247b in 2009 $111b in 2010 and $39b in 2011.

    No evidence there either

    Bush tax cuts well the figures are $364, $341 and $309

    Yeah end of discussion

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 2, 2010 at 4:19 pm

  121. Homer, are you autistic? The reason I ask that is that I NEVER said Bush’s actions didn’t contribute to the decade’s accumulated the deficit. In fact I said the opposite was true. Obama is worsening the situation by multiples.

    In any event as far as the big spending and Obama’s involvement….. he (obama) signed up to the TARP and every other TARP like proposal Bush proposed. Both he and McCain were summoned to the White House and both agreed with Bush and later voted for the programs.

    Obama is a deadbeat as has been shown here numerous times.

    go away

    JC

    January 2, 2010 at 4:40 pm

  122. The funniest thing I seen for a long time is Homer is now talking about Climate science… (solar minimums and all that).

    His adherence could almost be proof enough of the non-existence of AGW.

    This needs entry into the WikiHomer as entry 12,457.

    JC

    January 2, 2010 at 4:45 pm

  123. oops the contribution of Tarp/GSEs to future deficits is what?

    yeah he is worsening the decision by ARRA which gets less unlike the Bush taxcuts. you know those there the ones you said were necessary to kickstart the US economy which you now say cannot be done.
    you know those they are the ones you you say are not contributing to future deficits.

    Have another chocolate

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 2, 2010 at 5:00 pm

  124. This is interesting. AusAid which is supposed to be feeding starving Aficans etc. is now a major contributor to Bill Clinton’s charitable fund listed in the $10 to 25 million bracket along with Noway and Saudi Arabia.

    Besides Norway and Saudi Arabia, those giving $10 million to $25 million included AUSAID, the Australian government’s overseas aid program; longtime Democratic Party donors and fundraisers Stephen Bing and Fred Eychaner; and COPRESIDA, a Dominican Republic government agency formed to fight AIDS, whose donation passed through the foundation for commodity procurement.

    Terrific, so why do we need an entire government apparatus doling money when all they can do then is simply seed private charities.

    Here’s a guess, if it was a GOP prez’s foundation it wouldn’t have received a cent.

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100101/D9CV2LC83.html

    JC

    January 2, 2010 at 5:02 pm

  125. The funniest thing I seen for a long time is JC is now talking about Climate science….ignorance begetting presumption.

    rog

    January 2, 2010 at 5:05 pm

  126. Homer, I’ll ask the question again.. Are you autistic?

    The Bush tax cuts occurred at the beginning of the decade. Bush’s big mistake was that he was a big spending, big government conservative and never vetoed any spending in all his 8 years.

    The Tax cuts had little impact and could have been easily funded if there wasn’t two wars/ cut spending in areas that richly deserve spending cuts.

    Go away.

    Have another chocolate

    Get a brain transplant, you dope.

    JC

    January 2, 2010 at 5:06 pm

  127. Rog:

    One of the funniest things I’ve seen is your attempt to keep up with the rest of the remedial class.

    You recent contributions in the field of climate science have been so stupendously dumb that you ought to be banned like your neighbor homer for insulting everyone’s intelligence by posting here.

    Two examples:

    1. nuclear is carbon unfriendly

    2. we can get all our power needs to sticks with propellers attached to them (wind-power)

    Go fix your credit rating will you.

    JC

    January 2, 2010 at 5:11 pm

  128. err the CBO disagrees with you Forrest.

    Not surprising to anyone who is not mathematically challenged such as you. gosh those tax cuts are contributing how much more than ARRA?

    What a complete idiot you are

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 2, 2010 at 5:19 pm

  129. err the CBO disagrees with you Forrest.

    Oh really?

    Cl’s link showing the CBO projections for the Bush and Obama years offer a chart based representation of what a deadbeat this useless president is and can actually be a danger to the Republic.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2009/03/21/GR2009032100104.html

    (note the shaded area are the CBO estimates)

    no time in US history other than wars has the deficit reached more than 10% of GDP yet this deadbeat has red ink all the way to 2019 on current CBO projections.

    Total accumulated Bush deficits for his 8 years $1.7 trillion.

    Total accumulated projected deficit under obama will be $12 tillion.

    In other words a big spending president is replaced with an even bigger spending nimrod.

    Homer’s prognosis… It’s bush’s tax cut causing it.

    Get another brain transplant, you dopey idiot.

    JC

    January 2, 2010 at 5:29 pm

  130. Lets have another look at the CBO estimates.
    $
    2009 1.85 trillion

    2010 1.4 trillion

    2011 900 billion

    2012 700 billion

    2013 750 billion

    2014 780 billion

    2015 800 billion

    2016 900 billion

    2017 950 billion

    2018 1 trillion

    2019 1.2 trillion.

    Yea, according to Homer, proud nazi economist, the Bush tax cuts of 2003 are responsible for a deficit of 1.2 trillion in 2019… 16 years later and an accumulated deficit of 12 trillion during the deadbeat’s term of office.

    Homer should water boarded for being a mendacious fool.

    JC

    January 2, 2010 at 5:37 pm

  131. The really amusing thing about Homer’s, ahem, reading of economic history – including his deficit denialism – is that he claims that huge spending has saved the world economy. He then blames Bush for that spending. Ergo: he’s saying that Bush saved the world economy.

    C.L.

    January 2, 2010 at 6:28 pm

  132. Using $309 billion as autistic Homer’s claim about the Bush tax cuts… the present value of those cuts in the last year of the CBO projection applying 5% as the discount rate would be $189 billion. The CBO estimates the deficit will be 1.2 trillion by then so the overall effect all things being equal is 15%. In other words 85% of the deficit will be driven by Obama’s policies.

    JC

    January 2, 2010 at 6:34 pm

  133. See this is where you trip over your lies JC.

    Lots of little ones build up to one big one.

    Take for example your statement

    Cl’s link showing the CBO projections for the Bush and Obama years offer a chart based representation…

    CL’s link did not show CBO projections it showed Washington Post projections.

    Do WaPo show how their references? – nup, which is to be expected given that they sacked most of their reporters

    rog

    January 2, 2010 at 7:23 pm

  134. If you want to quote the CBO you should quote the CBO

    rog

    January 2, 2010 at 7:30 pm

  135. CL’s pathetic contribution is from zdavatz.files.wordpress.com – whoever zdavatz is.

    As expected, former Howard worshipper (now doctor’s wife) Rog has still offered no apology for lying. Having offered a graph from a left-wing New York Times journalist who was spoon-fed by Peter Orszag, he now slams WaPo as unreliable for this graph showing how Obama has tripled the deficit. “SOURCE: CBO, White House Office of Management and Budget.”

    More from the CBO:

    Obama’s Deficit Projections Off by $2.3 Trillion, Congressional Budget Office Says.

    WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama’s budget would produce $9.3 trillion in deficits over the next decade, an eye-popping figure that threatens his ambitious goals to overhaul health care and explore new energy sources, congressional auditors said.

    The new Congressional Budget Office figures that emerged Friday offered a far more dire outlook for Obama’s budget than the new administration predicted just last month — a deficit $2.3 trillion worse. It’s a prospect even the president’s own budget director called unsustainable.

    In his White House run, Obama assailed the economic policies of his predecessor, President George W. Bush. But the dismal deficit figures, if they prove to be accurate, would amount to more than four times the deficits of Bush’s presidency and raise the prospect that Obama and his Democratic allies controlling Congress would have to consider raising taxes after the recession ends.

    By the auditors’ calculation, Obama’s budget would generate deficits averaging almost $1 trillion a year of red ink over 2010-2019.

    Worst of all, the budget office says the deficit under Obama’s policies would never go below 4 percent of the size of the economy, figures that economists agree are unsustainable. By the end of the decade, the deficit would exceed 5 percent of gross domestic product, a dangerously high level.

    It’s* only a matter of time before we start noting that Obama has not merely tripled but possibly quadrupled the deficit.

    *Note correct use of apostrophe, Rog.

    C.L.

    January 2, 2010 at 7:54 pm

  136. It’s amazing. Can America survive this? Can Barry survive 2013?

    Michael Sutcliffe

    January 2, 2010 at 7:57 pm

  137. CL’s link underneath the chart says the source was:

    CBO, White House Office of Management and Budget | The Washington Post – March 21, 2009

    But Rog, who is now the stupidest poster here says:

    CL’s link did not show CBO projections it showed Washington Post projections.

    Yes Rog, you freaking moron they specify CBO estimates in the shaded color. They indicate that with a color code.

    Do WaPo show how their references?

    yes Rog. For the 835th time they say:

    SOURCE: CBO, White House Office of Management and Budget | The Washington Post – March 21, 2009

    This goes beyond parody now. This is unbelievable.

    JC

    January 2, 2010 at 8:32 pm

  138. Police Shoot Axe-Wielding Al-Qaeda Terrorist Entering Danish Cartoonist’s Home.

    Jim Hoft: “He wanted to hack the cartoonist to death for equating Islam with violence.”

    C.L.

    January 2, 2010 at 8:33 pm

  139. Rog also says:

    Do WaPo show how their references? – nup, which is to be expected given that they sacked most of their reporters

    Quoting Rog’s link that he somehow thinks suggests WAPO can no longer source correctly , it says:

    The Washington Post, in a significant retrenchment, is closing its remaining domestic bureaus around the country.

    The six correspondents who work in New York, Los Angeles and Chicago will be offered reassignments in Washington, while three news assistants will be let go.

    The money-saving move, coming on the heels of four rounds of early-retirement buyouts and the closing or merging of several sections, is the clearest sign yet of the newspaper’s shrinking horizons in an era of diminished resources.

    Rog doesn’t seem to even know or understand that the CBO resides in Washington and doesn’t explain why geographical office closings would somehow impact on the “source”.

    Rog… honestly… just piss off as you too freaking moronic to be posting here. Go away.

    JC

    January 2, 2010 at 8:38 pm

  140. this is very tiring talking to complete idiots.

    the CBO shows what the bush tax cuts are doping to the deficit. I have provided the figures for 2009, 2010 and then 2011. It is the BIGGEST item Except for the effect of the economy on the budget.

    This of course goes right past the village idiot because he simply doesn’t understand.
    it is a bit like CL’s understanding.
    If it were merely government spending no country would have gone into recession.

    It is the type of spending.

    It is why our stimulus had such an effect here.

    share a box of chocolates.

    By the way was the OMB or the CBO more accurate on the final budget figure.
    Peter Orzag was perfectly correct on health care reducing the budget deficit as well as the CBO attests but CL hasn’t got ten around to reading yet if he is able to.

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 2, 2010 at 9:47 pm

  141. Peanuts from the 2 resident monkeys.

    If you want to be taken seriously start quoting reliable sources not some hack journo.

    rog

    January 2, 2010 at 9:53 pm

  142. CL’s pathetic contribution is from zdavatz.files.wordpress.com – whoever zdavatz is.

    As expected, Rog the coward has still offered no apology for lying. Having offered a graph from a left-wing New York Times journalist who was spoon-fed by Peter Orszag, he now slams WaPo as unreliable for this graph showing how Obama has tripled the deficit. “SOURCE: CBO, White House Office of Management and Budget.”

    More from the CBO:

    Obama’s Deficit Projections Off by $2.3 Trillion, Congressional Budget Office Says.

    WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama’s budget would produce $9.3 trillion in deficits over the next decade, an eye-popping figure that threatens his ambitious goals to overhaul health care and explore new energy sources, congressional auditors said.

    The new Congressional Budget Office figures that emerged Friday offered a far more dire outlook for Obama’s budget than the new administration predicted just last month — a deficit $2.3 trillion worse. It’s a prospect even the president’s own budget director called unsustainable.

    In his White House run, Obama assailed the economic policies of his predecessor, President George W. Bush. But the dismal deficit figures, if they prove to be accurate, would amount to more than four times the deficits of Bush’s presidency and raise the prospect that Obama and his Democratic allies controlling Congress would have to consider raising taxes after the recession ends.

    By the auditors’ calculation, Obama’s budget would generate deficits averaging almost $1 trillion a year of red ink over 2010-2019.

    Worst of all, the budget office says the deficit under Obama’s policies would never go below 4 percent of the size of the economy, figures that economists agree are unsustainable. By the end of the decade, the deficit would exceed 5 percent of gross domestic product, a dangerously high level.

    It’s only a matter of time before we start noting that Obama has not merely tripled but possibly quadrupled the deficit.

    And poor old Homer has rarely shot himself in the foot so absolutely. He claims that huge spending has saved the world economy. He then blames Bush for that spending. Ergo: he’s saying that Bush saved the world economy.

    Oops.

    C.L.

    January 2, 2010 at 11:16 pm

  143. Peanuts from the 2 resident monkeys.

    yes, that’s right that’s you and the other idiot, homer.

    Rog… honestly go fuck yourself you poisonous little turd.

    JC

    January 2, 2010 at 11:22 pm

  144. this is very tiring talking to complete idiots.

    As the resident nazi economist, you’re making a decent point about yourself.

    the CBO shows what the bush tax cuts are doping to the deficit.

    That’s correct. They do show that. CL chart shows the actual deficit for the entire 8 years of the Bush administration which from 2003/04 included the tax cuts and it then projects out to 2019 in terms what the current administration is doing to the country’s finances. Bush’s deficit was an accumulated 1.7 trillion while Obama’s is $12 trillion.

    Of course it will never get to that level as the markets will shut them out.

    As the chart is a few months old it doesn’t show the damage the healthcare spending will do to finances so the CBO estimates are under-reported.

    I have provided the figures for 2009, 2010 and then 2011. It is the BIGGEST item Except for the effect of the economy on the budget.

    No homer, you lying creep, the biggest items are discretionary spending, they have always been in the US budget. The tax cuts are not an expenditure item. It was returning money back to the people, so there should be and should have been sizable spending cuts or at the very least a freeze on spending.

    If it were merely government spending no country would have gone into recession.

    I’ll be entering this stupid comment in wikihomer as entry no. 12 346.

    lastly, you’re a mendacious twit, homer.

    JC

    January 2, 2010 at 11:35 pm

  145. The coming massive market for thorium, of which Australia may have lots. Why don’t we have a proper geological quantification?

    C.L.

    January 3, 2010 at 1:44 am

  146. The future is nuclear, without much doubt, CL. By 2013 there will be nuclear battery packs that you just place in a hole in the ground have a wire running out and will light up 20,000 homes by some estimates meeting the needs to regional towns. Life time: 10 years.

    There won’t be any proliferation issues or danger with these battery packs.

    All the other stuff like wind or solar will be see for what they are… a complete racket.

    JC

    January 3, 2010 at 2:07 am

  147. Q&A with a climate scientist about the recent heavy snows in North America.

    Question:

    Is this enormous snow downpour within the bounds of expectations in AGW lingo?

    Climate Change Theory 101: warming of the oceans leads to more evaporation which leads to increased precipitation i.e. wetter summers and snowier winters. So, within the bounds of AGW expectations? Yes. Driven by AGW? Unlikely. One cannot blame a single month of localized (on a worldwide scale, that is) heavy snowfall, anomalous as it may be, on a large scale, globally-driven event. The fact that a snowier-than-normal winter was forecast as early as last summer due to a well-defined set of weather patterns driven by factors unrelated to AGW (El Nino, Blocking Pattern, etc.) leads me to believe that this is simply a fortuitously snowy winter in America’s neck of the woods, much like 2003 and 1996 before it. While a single snowy winter cannot be blamed on AGW, a marked increase in the frequency of winters such as this one (assuming Jan and Feb continue this spat of blizzards) over the next 10 years could be evidence of such warming.

    JC

    January 3, 2010 at 3:07 am

  148. From the man who brought you Cash for Clunkers:

    U.S. Loan Effort Is Seen as Adding to Housing Woes.

    The Obama administration’s $75 billion program to protect homeowners from foreclosure has been widely pronounced a disappointment, and some economists and real estate experts now contend it has done more harm than good.

    Since President Obama announced the program in February, it has lowered mortgage payments on a trial basis for hundreds of thousands of people but has largely failed to provide permanent relief. Critics increasingly argue that the program, Making Home Affordable, has raised false hopes among people who simply cannot afford their homes.

    Heckuva job, Barry.

    C.L.

    January 3, 2010 at 4:46 am

  149. I can’t believe how stupid you are JC, you continue to amaze me

    First you go to some low rent penny dreadful day trading site and ask stupid questions about AGW from some TA punk

    ..and then post it here without (obviously) fully reading it

    One cannot blame a single month of localized (on a worldwide scale, that is) heavy snowfall, anomalous as it may be, on a large scale, globally-driven event…

    …. a marked increase in the frequency of winters such as this one (assuming Jan and Feb continue this spat of blizzards) over the next 10 years could be evidence of such warming.

    rog

    January 3, 2010 at 6:27 am

  150. “Snoopy,

    Despite the deepest solar minimum the 2000’s were the hottest decade in recorded history. They were warmer than the previous decade which was the 1990s.”

    Homer, compounding one lie with another just makes you look more foolish and deceitful then you already appear. The solar maximum of solar cycle 23 occurred around 2002. You seem to be hinting here that the stasis or decline in temp this last decade can be accounted for by the recent decline in solar activity but you seem to lack the honesty to say this explicitly. Then you return to this canard that it was “still warmer” than the 1990s but you avoid the fact that the rate of warming in 1990s was greater than that of the most recent decade. And you still fail to look at the graphs I’ve provided which clearly show that global average temps have at best experienced stasis and at worst declined since 2001, both of which are contrary to what was projected by the models employed by the IPCC.

    Will any of this matter to Homer? Not really; experience suggests he will carry on dissembling.

    dover_beach

    January 3, 2010 at 9:37 am

  151. dover_beach

    January 3, 2010 at 9:53 am

  152. Rog:

    What point are you trying to make you venom filled prick. Seriously.

    Worry about paying back your creditors rather than what I’m saying, you deadbeat.

    JC

    January 3, 2010 at 10:43 am

  153. Krugman quietly advocates for Smoot Hawley.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/01/opinion/01krugman.html?em

    JC

    January 3, 2010 at 12:06 pm

  154. Keynesianism and tripling the deficit have failed. Obama has now become the worst president regarding unemployment in modern American history:

    Even before Barack Obama took the oath of office, his economic advisers projected that without hundreds of billions of dollars in government spending, the U.S. economy could lose another 3 million to 4 million jobs on top of the 3.1 million lost in 2008.

    It turns out they were optimistic. Even with the $787 billion stimulus package that Obama signed in February, more than 4 million jobs have been lost in 2009, the worst year for job losses since World War II. The jobless rate that advisers projected would peak at 8% has topped 10%.

    Worst. President. Ever.

    C.L.

    January 3, 2010 at 12:19 pm

  155. DB

    “Doc” Pachauri increasingly looks like a crook. It’s goes beyond questionable ethics now.

    He just appears like a crook.

    JC

    January 3, 2010 at 12:24 pm

  156. More outstanding policy from the Demolition Party:

    Farms-to-forest plan worries Vilsack.

    Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack has ordered his staff to revise a computerized forecasting model that showed that climate legislation supported by President Obama would make planting trees more lucrative than producing food.

    The latest Agriculture Department economic-impact study of the climate bill, which passed the House this summer, found that the legislation would profit farmers in the long term. But those profits would come mostly from higher crop prices as a result of the legislation’s incentives to plant more forests and thus reduce the amount of land devoted to food-producing agriculture.

    According to the economic model used by the department and the Environmental Protection Agency, the legislation would give landowners incentives to convert up to 59 million acres of farmland into forests over the next 40 years. The reason: Trees clean the air of heat-trapping gases better than farming does.

    Mr. Vilsack, in a little-noticed statement issued with the report earlier this month, said the department’s forecasts “have caused considerable concern” among farmers and ranchers.

    America is in the very best of hands.

    C.L.

    January 3, 2010 at 2:01 pm

  157. Mr. Vilsack, in a little-noticed statement issued with the report earlier this month, said the department’s forecasts “have caused considerable concern” among farmers and ranchers.

    Lol .. not to mention non-farmers that won’t have any food to eat.

    “Let them eat trees” instead of cake is the 21st century version.

    This guy seems even stupider than Peter Garrett which is quite an accomplishment seeing the population size is 20 times bigger. Zero had to dig a little deeper in the gene pool to find this one.

    JC

    January 3, 2010 at 2:07 pm

  158. Snoopy..hmm

    Are Sunspots Disappearing?
    09.03.2009

    September 3, 2009: The sun is in the pits of the deepest solar minimum in nearly a century. Weeks and sometimes whole months go by without even a single tiny sunspot. The quiet has dragged out for more than two years, prompting some observers to wonder, are sunspots disappearing?

    this is from NASA.
    Sorry they are a bunch of liars Forgot about that.

    Snoopy caught out AGAIN!

    CL, a perusal of the CBO, oops I forgot you can’t do that, will show that they believe the stimulus has had an effect on the economy and employment.

    Now Obama is responsible for the great Recession.

    Hey can you tell us all the Obama programs involved in the tripling of the deficit?

    No you can’t.
    you haven’t and you never will

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 3, 2010 at 2:19 pm

  159. Obama is not only the worst fiscal deadbeat, he is now the worst employment president in modern American history.

    Unfortunately for the CBO, the statistics of the Obama “administration” are mostly fictional – even if the addiction of Democrats to pok is all too real. Pundits on both the right and the left in the US are now routinely mocking Obama’s fantastic policy assumptions.

    Related:

    Jobs ‘Saved or Created’ in Congressional Districts That Don’t Exist.

    Democrat districts receive twice as much stimulus money as Republican districts.

    C.L.

    January 3, 2010 at 2:33 pm

  160. C.L.

    January 3, 2010 at 2:36 pm

  161. Pegasus (Phil?) – We can thank neoliberal free market economics for that.
    .
    Would it be to much to ask to supply some kind of basis in fact for this argument (silly question)? How exactly can neoliberalism, extant from c. 1980, be responsible for something that manifested from c.1960? I believe it to be an unintended consequence of liberalized divorce laws.
    .
    And maybe if people actually took responsibility for their kids’ education, as in reading to them when they’re very young before they get to school, we might find that they don’t grow up functionally illiterate.
    .
    Auld lang syne everybody.

    Adrien

    January 3, 2010 at 2:43 pm

  162. Bow wow,

    The Washington Post – March 21, 2009

    rog

    January 3, 2010 at 2:46 pm

  163. JC – The entire political class in Washington ought to be fried in burning oil.
    .
    That is simply savage and uncivilized. Totally unnecessary. I think firing squads do the job just as well. 🙂

    Adrien

    January 3, 2010 at 2:46 pm

  164. [O/T sorry]

    Hi Adrien.

    Sinkers asked for permission to give you my email a while back, but I never got anything. Checked the spam folders and everything already.

    Still need to contact me?

    FDB

    January 3, 2010 at 2:52 pm

  165. “Snoopy..hmm

    Are Sunspots Disappearing?
    09.03.2009

    September 3, 2009: The sun is in the pits of the deepest solar minimum in nearly a century. Weeks and sometimes whole months go by without even a single tiny sunspot. The quiet has dragged out for more than two years, prompting some observers to wonder, are sunspots disappearing?

    this is from NASA.
    Sorry they are a bunch of liars Forgot about that.”

    Homer, you lying buffoon, the only liar around here is yourself, not NASA or myself. Did I say that we weren’t currently in a solar minimum? I said that the solar maximum of solar cycle 23 occurred in approx. 2002. Your own excerpt from NASA admits the sun has been quiet since 2007; that is not remotely the whole decade.

    But lets put to one side your pathetic distraction; simply admit that the global avg temp. since 2000 has at best been in stasis and at worst declined. Here again is the relevant graph:

    Or will you again continue to dissemble?

    dover_beach

    January 3, 2010 at 2:59 pm

  166. Yes, welcome back, Adrian. Little has changed as you’ve probably noticed.

    dover_beach

    January 3, 2010 at 3:02 pm

  167. Yes, welcome back, Adrian. Little has changed as you’ve probably noticed.

    What can change? Can a libertarian actually come up with a new idea?

    John H.

    January 3, 2010 at 3:06 pm

  168. G’day, Adrien! Happy 2010. Dover is right – nothing much has changed. Rog has become engaged to Geoffrey Edelsten, that’s all.

    C.L.

    January 3, 2010 at 3:15 pm

  169. Looks like the war on terror has opened another front.

    US, Britain to tackle terror threat in Yemen

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/us-britain-to-tackle-terror-threat-in-yemen/story-e6frg6so-1225815667561

    JC

    January 3, 2010 at 3:19 pm

  170. FDB – but I never got anything
    .
    Oh. I thought you were being rude. 🙂 I’ll send it again when I’ve got time. There’s three hundred messages in my inbox – aarrrggghhh!

    Adrien

    January 3, 2010 at 3:22 pm

  171. Adrien:

    Welcome back. What the hell were you up to for that time… writing war and peace.

    JC

    January 3, 2010 at 3:23 pm

  172. Thanks everyone. One thing has changed. Graeme got wiped. Well actually maybe you’re right after all. Graeme likes getting wiped. Then someone who isn’t him actually comments on that dog’s breakfast he calls the world’s cheapest ‘think’ tank.
    .
    RE AGW Why hasn’t there been a post on the spew sulphur into the stratosphere solution? It’s cheap and appears to work. If the Earth cooks just fake a supervolcano.

    Adrien

    January 3, 2010 at 3:25 pm

  173. What the hell were you up to for that time… writing war and peace.
    .
    Sorta.

    Adrien

    January 3, 2010 at 3:25 pm

  174. That’s the war that doesn’t exist, according to Homer. Will Yemeni terrorists be read their Miranda rights, that is the question.

    C.L.

    January 3, 2010 at 3:26 pm

  175. Snoopy, when you take the average for a decade one usually takes a solar minimum into account but apparently not you.
    and no the average increased for the decade it did not decrease at all despite favourable circumstances.
    you can’t count and will never be able to count.

    Actually we know the actual results for 2009 and guess who was closest to the actual result CBO or OMB?

    You clown the CBO itself has actually looked at what the Stimulus has done. It came to a conclusion but you need to be able to read and understand figures and we have shown you are incapable of that

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 3, 2010 at 3:26 pm

  176. Homer is now combing AGW with the US budget as one discussion?

    JC

    January 3, 2010 at 3:30 pm

  177. John H,

    “Can a libertarian actually come up with a new idea?”

    Yes, and some of the ones trained in economics got Nobel prizes for their thinking.

    Please tell me if much new has been invented in political philosophies since 1900. Maybe Maoism and Neoconservativism.

    Can you also come up with a more original insult next time?

    What’s your boggle? You seem to be in a bad mood lately.

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 3, 2010 at 3:32 pm

  178. Re the sulfur suggestion.

    We did have a discussion. IT seems ti’s too hard to do. In reality you need at the very least every largish country to agree to do it as the smaller fuckers could be told to STFU.

    However it a pretty big risk. What if they’re wrong? What if it works too well? 🙂

    It seems to me that we could use it as a last measure.

    JC

    January 3, 2010 at 3:34 pm

  179. Re the sulfur suggestion.,/i>

    Great idea, what caused acid rain???

    John H.

    January 3, 2010 at 3:36 pm

  180. Me?!?!??

    Rude?!?!?!

    Harrumph.

    FDB

    January 3, 2010 at 3:40 pm

  181. The Obama “administration” invented a range of districts that don’t exist and squandered most of the “stimulus” pork in Democrat electorates. Obama is now officially the worst employment president and the worst purveyor of pork since Roosevelt and Porky Pig respectively. The stimulus failed.

    Nancy Pelosi has admitted as much:

    Pelosi: Americans Would Accept More Red Ink in Exchange for Jobs.

    Building the case for a brand new jobs-creation bill, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says most Americans would not mind inflating the already-gaping deficit in exchange for more jobs.

    The California Democrat said on a conference call Tuesday that Americans could “absorb” the hit to the federal budget, and she argued that their biggest complaint is not that the deficit is big — it’s that they’re not seeing any benefit in return for increasing the U.S. debt load.

    Nancy’s solution? Another fiscal blow-out, of course.

    This administration is simply beyond parody. Its agriculture czar has now revealed that the President’s carbon policies will make trees more lucrative for farmers than food. It’s not inconceivable that Barry’s solution to this conundrum will be the collectivisation of the kulaks.

    C.L.

    January 3, 2010 at 3:43 pm

  182. “Snoopy, when you take the average for a decade one usually takes a solar minimum into account but apparently not you.
    and no the average increased for the decade it did not decrease at all despite favourable circumstances.”

    What on earth are you talking about? I’m not concerned about the “average for a decade”; I said that the rate of warming during the 1990s was greater than that experienced in the naughties. Here, again, is the relevant figure:

    It is clear from that figure that the world at best did not warm and at worst cooled since 2001 contrary to the multi-model mean as published by the IPCC which projected a rate of warming of approx. 0.2 C/decade.

    The data continues to falsify the models. Homer continues to dissemble. As suggested previously, little has changed.

    dover_beach

    January 3, 2010 at 3:50 pm

  183. A worthy sequel to his essay on Hayek and neo-liberals:

    Kevin Rudd writes book for kids.

    Titled Jasper and Abby and the Great Australia Day Kerfuffle, the book follows dog Abby and cat Jasper in an adventure in the grounds of Kirribilli House.

    C.L.

    January 3, 2010 at 3:58 pm

  184. Snoopy we are not talking about models.
    We are talking about ACTUAL data you dissembling fool.

    Learn to understand the difference and then come back an apologise.

    you heard it first.Economic genius CL blames Obama for the great recession.

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 3, 2010 at 4:32 pm

  185. “Snoopy we are not talking about models.
    We are talking about ACTUAL data you dissembling fool.”

    More diversionary nonsense by the master of dissemblers. Yes, the actual data indicates that global average temp have declined since 2001. Here, again, is the figure:

    I mentioned the models in passing because they project a warming of 0.2 C/decade; they are currently being falsified by “ACTUAL data”.

    Will you now admit that global avg. temps this last decade have at best remained stationary or at worst declined? Of course, not.

    dover_beach

    January 3, 2010 at 4:54 pm

  186. DB:

    Homer doesn’t do admission… no Nazi camps sympathizer in their right mind would be caught doing this admission thing you’re asking for.

    The other point is that Homer wouldn’t understand the chart as it’s beyond his non-pay grade.

    JC

    January 3, 2010 at 5:00 pm

  187. sorry Snoopy but I much prefer the data from
    NASA from which ANYONE who can add up can do the sums themselves and find out who is correct and who cannot count.

    Yeah the models were wrong the projected a 0.2C /decade warming for the 2000s and it warmed by 0.2c in the decade to 2010.

    you are a parody

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 3, 2010 at 5:01 pm

  188. Forrest is another example of a person who cannot understand the difference between a labour service program and a labour camp.

    For example the CCC in the US was a labour service program as there were in another 12 countries but our poor Forrest, the man who confuses denominators and numerators, doesn’t know the difference.

    Bob Menzies did

    Have another chocolate

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 3, 2010 at 5:05 pm

  189. Homer is now comparing the FDR style make work programs/camps with the Nazi labor camps holding Jews.

    Have another chocolate alright.

    JC

    January 3, 2010 at 5:37 pm

  190. No Stupid you do not know the difference between the CCC , the Rad and labour camps.

    Thank you for confirming your ignorance

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 3, 2010 at 5:52 pm

  191. Strange to hear Homer talking about who can add up and count etc. It took me several weeks last year to explain to him that the Senate president has a deliberative vote but never a casting vote. He still didn’t catch on. Dover may recall this episode – and perhaps also that Homer began lying about the affair to save face. A man who quotes NASA is unfamiliar with the Australian Constitution. I wouldn’t get carried away by anything NASA says, in any case, Homer. The head of its Goddard Institute is an unbalanced lunatic who has called for Nuremberg Trials for oil executives.

    Economic genius CL blames Obama for the great recession.

    No, I blame him for tripling the deficit and I only hope the CBO is wrong when it says he may quadruple it as well. I also note that Obama was the second biggest recipient of bribes from the GSEs in Washington and that his failed “stimulus” plan is the largest pork distribution orgy in American history. Employment-wise, he is now officially the worst president in the modern era. His $75 billion program to prop-up bad mortgagees is also now a failure – as was cash for clunkers. He is far worse than Jimmy Carter.

    C.L.

    January 3, 2010 at 6:03 pm

  192. Climatologist homer… Lol.

    Have another chocolate alright.

    (and here I was thinking we would see a slight improvement in 10. How wrong I was).

    JC

    January 3, 2010 at 6:49 pm

  193. CL who did not know the Senate president can hand over to the Deputy president LOL.

    can CL show any Obama program that has led to deficit tripling.
    Well no he cannot .
    He doesn’t know how and couldn’t if he could because it hasn’t happened.

    By the way did the OMB or the CBO get closest to the 2009 budget deficit?

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 3, 2010 at 7:05 pm

  194. ‘Feminism’ as Unrestrained Misandry and Projection : The golden rule of human interactions is to judge a person, or a group, by their actions rather than their words. Feminists once had noble goals of securing voting rights, achieving educational parity, and opening employment channels for women. But once these goals were met and even exceeded, the activists did not want to lose relevance. Now, they tirelessly and ruthlessly lobby for changes in legislation that is blatantly discriminatory against men (not to mention unconstitutional and downright cruel). Not satisfied with that, they continue to lobby for social programs designed to devalue the roles of husbands and fathers, replacing them with taxpayer-funded handouts.

    Despite my acute ability to detect and deconstruct leftists, I was unprepared for the level of unhinged lunacy that ‘feminism’ had sunk to, which revealed itself in late 2008 when Sarah Palin emerged onto the national scene. Here was a woman who actually achieved all the aspirations that feminists claim to value : a highly successful career as a Governor and VP candidate, a large number of children, a loving marriage to a supportive yet ruggedly masculine husband, and an attractive appearance despite being in her 40s. If anything, she should be hailed as a superb role model of a woman from modest origins who has managed to ‘have it all’. Yet, the feminist reaction to her was quite the opposite, as she attracted far more hate from lefto-feminists than the woman-stoning Taliban, or child-raping Roman Polanski ever could. What is a parody so outlandish that even The Onion may not write it is actually true. In one shot, ‘feminism’ was revealed as being not just different from its stated goals, but perhaps the most extreme pillar of leftism in existence today. This is because it is far less challenged than any other subsect of leftism.

    As it is profitable to claim victimhood in this age, a good indicator is whether any condemnation by the supposedly oppressed of their oppressor could be similarly uttered if the positions were reversed. We know that what Rev. Jeremiah Wright said about whites could not be said by a white pastor about blacks, and we see even more of a double standard regarding what women and men can say about each other in America today. This reveals one of the darkest depths of the human mind – when a group is utterly convinced that they are the ‘victims’ of another group, they can rationalize any level of evil against their perceived oppressors.

    http://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/the-misandry-bubble.html

    JC

    January 3, 2010 at 7:23 pm

  195. he really gives it to the religious social conservatives too.

    Lastly, the religious ‘social conservatives’ who continue their empty sermonizing about the ‘sanctity of marriage’ while doing absolutely nothing about the divorce-incentivizing turn that the laws have taken, have been exposed for their pseudo-moral posturing and willful blindness. What they claim to be of utmost importance to them has been destroyed right under their noses, and they still are too dimwitted to comprehend why. No other interest group in America has been such a total failure at their own stated mission. To be duped into believing that a side-issue like ‘gay marriage’ is a mortal threat to traditional marriage, yet miss the legal changes that correlate to a rise in divorce rates (divorce being what destroys marriage, rather than a tiny number of gays), is about as egregious an oversight as an astronomer failing to be aware of the existence of the Moon.

    JC

    January 3, 2010 at 7:30 pm

  196. CL who did not know the Senate president can hand over to the Deputy president LOL.

    No, Homer. That’s the lie you wheeled out last year to save face. I can find the links for what you said, if you like. You claimed that a Liberal Senate president in the Howard era made a casting vote to defeat a bill against convention. It isn’t a convention – it’s a constitutional LAW. Namely, the Senate president CANNOT make a casting vote under ANY circumstances. It has NEVER HAPPENED IN AUSTRALIAN HISTORY. When the vote in the Upper House is tied, the bill fails. You made up a story and got caught out. It is the House Speaker who can make a casting vote (not the Senate president). This episode alone – and your attempt to get out of it – mark you as a genuine liar.

    Here is that WaPo/CBO graph again – showing that Obama has tripled the deficit. The CBO has also raised the prospect that he may even QUADRUPLE the deficit if something isn’t done.

    C.L.

    January 3, 2010 at 8:43 pm

  197. Yet, the feminist reaction to her was quite the opposite, as she attracted far more hate from lefto-feminists than the woman-stoning Taliban, or child-raping Roman Polanski ever could. What is a parody so outlandish that even The Onion may not write it is actually true. In one shot, ‘feminism’ was revealed as being not just different from its stated goals, but perhaps the most extreme pillar of leftism in existence today.

    It’s even worse than that – the Sarah Palin saga revealed that feminism is to philosophy what Lysenkoism was to science. A famous comedienne called for Palin to be raped by black men, and received the condemnation of not one prominent feminist in the country. That was probably the precise moment where I realised that feminism was not simply a matter of “double standards” (which many people started to wonder at the time of the Monica Lewinsky scandal), but rather of systematic ideological fraud, deception and lies.

    Michael Fisk

    January 3, 2010 at 8:49 pm

  198. CL who did not know the Senate president can hand over to the Deputy president LOL.
    .
    I didn’t know that either. the shame! the shame!

    daddy dave

    January 3, 2010 at 9:02 pm

  199. It’s not a great revelation, Dave. But I’ve never made any comment on the Senate deputy. Homer started talking about the Senate deputy to distract people from his beclowning.

    Last year, he claimed Rudd’s stimulus bill was rejected when the Labor Senate President did ‘the right thing’ by voting against it when the numbers were tied. He contrasted this supposedly honourable act with what he said an unnamed Liberal President had done in the past. In fact, the Constitution does not allow the Senate President to EVER make a casting vote. When the stimulus bill was tied last year, it automatically failed, pursuant to Section 23 of the Constitution. The Labor President had absolutely nothing to do with it.

    Now remember, this epic bungling of how Australian governance works at the coalface was from a bloke who wants you to believe him when he discusses econometrics and NASA.

    C.L.

    January 3, 2010 at 9:35 pm

  200. Only within CL’s bizarre brainbox does the issue of the vote of the Australian senate deputy somehow legitimise the WaPo scratching.

    Meantime JC is furiously reinflating the not so funny Palin.

    rog

    January 3, 2010 at 9:43 pm

  201. Hey Adrien Merry Christmas Happy New year.Did you have a good Sabbatical?(Spelling?)

    tal

    January 3, 2010 at 10:06 pm

  202. Only within CL’s bizarre brainbox does the issue of the vote of the Australian senate deputy somehow legitimise the WaPo scratching.

    Thanks, Mrs Edelsten. Nobody knows what you’re talking about but thanks.

    Still no apology, by the way, for your claim that “zdavatz” published this WaPo/CBO graph illustrating the tripling of the US deficit under Barack Obama.

    JC, probably the epitome of Palin Derangement Syndrome last year was one academic feminist’s claim that Palin wasn’t a woman. That almost rivalled mentally disturbed blogger Andrew Sullivan’s thesis that Plain faked her pregnancy, wore a rubber pregnancy suit and that Trig was actually her daughter’s daughter.

    C.L.

    January 3, 2010 at 10:14 pm

  203. CL, What is the deal with this BS concerning Palin?????
    Hope you had a Merry Christmas and a happy New Year darl

    tal

    January 3, 2010 at 10:18 pm

  204. Yes thanks, Tal – I had a great Christmas. Hope you did too.

    Re Palin, she’s now as popular – if not more popular than Barry – and was last week voted the second most admired woman in America (just behind Hillary). Naturally, lefties and femninists are going beserk with rage. LOL.

    C.L.

    January 3, 2010 at 10:29 pm

  205. THR how’s the bub?

    tal

    January 4, 2010 at 12:01 am

  206. Rog says I’m “re-inflating the not so funny Palin” in the same way Rog would like to see his credit rating magically inflated.

    No Rog, I’m not inflating Palin and still maintain that i didn’t particularly like her that much as a vp potential. However that doesn’t mean i support the way she was hounded by the left. in fact it was disgusting.

    JC

    January 4, 2010 at 12:15 am

  207. Hey tal,

    She’s well – putting on weight, keeping us underslept.She’s very cute, but she’s getting more demanding.

    How are things on your front?

    THR

    January 4, 2010 at 12:21 am

  208. A good chubby, healthy baby. That’s good news, THR!

    C.L.

    January 4, 2010 at 12:33 am

  209. Thanks, Cl. It’s been a good few weeks, albeit, something of a blur.

    THR

    January 4, 2010 at 12:52 am

  210. If this is true, I’m gunno live forever. I love boobs and love them even more now.

    http://www.themedguru.com/20091206/newsfeature/stare-boobs-longer-life-study-86131320.html

    Frankfurt, Germany, December 6 — A rather bizarre study carried out by German researchers suggests that staring at women’s breasts is good for men’s health and increases their life expectancy.

    She added, “Just 10 minutes of staring at the charms of a well-endowed female, is roughly equivalent to a 30-minute aerobics work-out.”

    And I’m going to stop going to gym after this.

    “I just caught you staring at my boobs!”

    “Lady, I have to, to live longer and counteract years of smoking”

    JC

    January 4, 2010 at 12:57 am

  211. THR I’m doing great thanks for asking,glad to hear that the girl-child is fine,is she keeping you up at night pet?

    tal

    January 4, 2010 at 1:14 am

  212. HAHAHAHA!

    This could explain why Sophia Loren is still so hale and hearty.

    It’s boobaerobics.

    C.L.

    January 4, 2010 at 1:26 am

  213. And all this time I thought you were a hip man CL 🙂

    tal

    January 4, 2010 at 1:31 am

  214. You really do need an alpha male for the TV weather.

    JC

    January 4, 2010 at 1:33 am

  215. Oh that was cute JC,how ya doing?

    tal

    January 4, 2010 at 1:37 am

  216. I am Tal but I couldn’t resist. JC is the Richard Simmons of boobaerobics.

    C.L.

    January 4, 2010 at 1:39 am

  217. Is he???Well you live and learn Lad 🙂

    tal

    January 4, 2010 at 1:43 am

  218. Cl:

    Scout’s honor, i still don’t know how the hell i do that. I post a link and the vid shows up.

    I’m good tal. Been having a fun time over the festive season.

    Got a pizza oven for my birthday and for the first time in perhaps a decade and 1/2 actually helped prepare the dinner which was fun to do. Didn’t realize cooking can be fun every 10 years or so.

    Wifey was shocked and elated at the same time, but I had to remind her not to get her hopes up as this sort of behavior was just a flash in the pan….(no pun intended of course)

    That way you can cook what you like instead of being occasionally offered meals with currants and sordid fruit which is like having desert mixed in with a main meal. That alone shows the decline of the West.

    JC

    January 4, 2010 at 1:59 am

  219. You really have it for Nigella, don’t you Cl.

    She really does have a very beautiful face and her boobs in the pic are just magnificent looking creatures.

    JC

    January 4, 2010 at 2:07 am

  220. C.L.

    January 4, 2010 at 2:11 am

  221. Hard-hitting journalism at the Sydney Morning Herald where two reporters praise the Dear Leader who “endeared himself” to the Australian and Pakistani cricketers yesterday at Kirribilli. They also kindly plugged the children’s book he wrote “with” former Play School presenter Rhys Muldoon.

    C.L.

    January 4, 2010 at 3:01 am

  222. Pesky pant wetting scaremongering

    we are going to spend our sunset years telling our children, and our children’s children, what it once was like in America when men were free

    Oh I forgot, its Ronny

    rog

    January 4, 2010 at 7:09 am

  223. “sorry Snoopy but I much prefer the data from
    NASA from which ANYONE who can add up can do the sums themselves and find out who is correct and who cannot count.”

    I think we should all note that Homer has just thrown the guys from the Met Office and the Hadley Centre, that is, the guys that produce the data that the IPCC prefers, under a bus. But, anyway, here is the data from GISS, Homer:

    Its show unsurprisingly stasis.

    “Yeah the models were wrong the projected a 0.2C /decade warming for the 2000s and it warmed by 0.2c in the decade to 2010.”

    If you look at the same figure above you also see that the multi-model mean of 0.2 C/ decade still lies just outside the 95% uncertainty interval of the GISS temp. trend. In other words, the data continues to falsify the models.

    dover_beach

    January 4, 2010 at 8:35 am

  224. Snoopy, you brought up the model not me I didn’t.

    As I said previously anyone can go to their site and do the maths themselves. It isn’t hard and hey presto the temperature of the planet is warming.
    We have just experienced the hottest decade in recorded history despite events occurring which should have proved otherwise.

    The previous hottest decade was the 1990s.

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 4, 2010 at 11:25 am

  225. You didn’t mention the 70’s, homes what happened?

    JC

    January 4, 2010 at 11:34 am

  226. “Snoopy, you brought up the model not me I didn’t.”

    I never said you did; I merely brought the models up as an aside, namely, to point out that the data currently falsifies them.

    “As I said previously anyone can go to their site and do the maths themselves. It isn’t hard and hey presto the temperature of the planet is warming.”

    Yes, anyone can and they will find that the temperature of the planet is, at best, currently not warming, and at worst, slightly cooling.

    “We have just experienced the hottest decade in recorded history despite events occurring which should have proved otherwise. The previous hottest decade was the 1990s.”

    By this same tortured logic, there was no recession in Australia during 2000-1 and 2008-9 because GDP was on average higher between 2001-10 than between 1991-2000. It is a measure of how desperate the warmists have become that they’re reduced to this sort of argument in order to maintain the semblance of the earth warming. The rate of growth of global average temps since Jan 2001, according to GISS, is nil, and according to HadCRUT is minus nil; deal with it.

    I’ll add that Dec 2009 temps once included aren’t likely to improve the GISS or HadCRUT trends so far as you’re concerned.

    dover_beach

    January 4, 2010 at 12:11 pm

  227. Obama terror czar: hey, we’re still going to send Gitmo terrorists back to Yemen. No problemo.

    C.L.

    January 4, 2010 at 12:27 pm

  228. yippee. Recognition of what I have been saying….

    Solar energy is a hyped racket.

    3. Solar hype–again?

    2010 forecast for solar: Minus 5 percent. The solar industry suffered its first-ever downturn in 2009. The recession put a damper on credit, which impacted the procurement of solar cells for businesses and homes. I’m told credit is still tight, especially in the U.S. Solar still depends on attractive subsidies. That still concerns me.

    But here’s the real problem: In my opinion, the solar industry has failed to deliver on its promises. Efficiencies remain low. I see little evidence that grid parity is on the horizon. We were sold a bill of goods by some solar vendors. That doesn’t mean solar is a flop. There are still opportunities for new and breakthrough solutions. I am still an optimist on solar, but let’s cut down on the hype.

    JC

    January 4, 2010 at 3:53 pm

  229. DB:

    don’t believe the swill that Homer peddles here. A recession under the US board’s definition doesn’t have to be negative GDP quarters. Quite correctly a recession is also defined as a series (quarters) of significant fall in GDP.

    We didn’t avoid an recession, we’re still in one. Homer’s got nothing to do other then peddle free passes for the ALP, as he thinks he can scrounge more money out of this government than otherwise.

    JC

    January 4, 2010 at 3:57 pm

  230. Bianca Dye versus Jennifer Hawkins.

    Go Bianca! 🙂

    C.L.

    January 4, 2010 at 6:09 pm

  231. You really do need an alpha male for the TV weather.
    .
    Arnie Schwarzanegger needs a job. Hulk Hogan? Yeah Hulk Hogan.
    .
    We didn’t avoid an recession, we’re still in one.
    .
    Not enough of one. The prices are stupid. $4.50 for a bag of chestnuts? In summertime?!

    Adrien

    January 4, 2010 at 7:51 pm

  232. “It would be irresponsible to take any of the Yemeni detainees in Guantanamo and send them back to Yemen,” Sen. Joseph Lieberman,
    .
    Liebermann is a dickhead. Let’s just disregard the fact that the Gitmo Inmate Selection System was as carefully selective as a roulette wheel and think about what those people will do after how many years in a postmodern dungeon. Well firstly they’ll probably be a bit fucked. Secondly they’re hate America’s guts and I’m sure they’d love to blow up as many Seppo’s as they can.
    .
    But remember they will be living in Yemen which was the latest grooviest thing when Moses’ grandfather was a baby.
    .

    Adrien

    January 4, 2010 at 7:59 pm

  233. Graeme Bird’s blog categories:
    .
    Economic Science, Economic Science Unaugmented by George Reisman’s Influence, Climate Science, Climate Science as Beginner, Terrorism as Regime Action, The Roll(sic) of Regimes In Terrorism, [the] Art of War and [the] Architecture of Good and Bad Conspiracy Theory.
    .
    Sinclair you just wiped this guy because you envy him. What shattering clear light emits from the mind that produces such deeply thought taxonomy.

    Adrien

    January 4, 2010 at 8:40 pm

  234. Since Adrien brought him up, let’s have some fun.

    Graeme sez

    Supposing I held elected office. The compensation is pretty fantastic. It would put me way above where I could imagine being tempted in this way.

    jtfsoon

    January 4, 2010 at 8:50 pm

  235. They were a bit fucked, hated America’s guts and wanted to blow up as many Americans as possible to start with, Adrien. That’s why they’re in Gitmo – where they should stay. Bit odd, wouldn’t you say, for a president to announce the opening of a new theatre in the non-existent war on terrorism (in Yemen) and then send a bunch of Yemeni terrorists back home to join the jihad against your own country? I mean, wouldn’t you say that’s just a little bit srupid? Apparently somebody thinks so because the decision has now been reversed.

    C.L.

    January 4, 2010 at 9:23 pm

  236. Dating website called Beautifulpeople.com – which has a strict “no ugly people policy” – has taken the axe to 5000 fatsos after complaints from members that their dates were porkers. And here’s an insight into the cruel ruthlessness of which women are the true experts:

    The site now only lets members of the opposite sex vote members out because, [managing director, Greg] Hodge noted, lots of women were voting other women out to simply cut down on the competition.

    C.L.

    January 4, 2010 at 9:30 pm

  237. Agreed again CL (this is getting eerie).

    When I saw the promo on TV for Hawkins as a “role model for positive body image in young women” I nearly choked on my pork chop.

    Don’t worry if you’re an ugly fatty girls – see? Look at Jen – she’s alright!

    What. The. Fucking. Fuck.

    FDB

    January 4, 2010 at 11:02 pm

  238. Wow, CL The gals were voting out competitors. You know what, guys could do somehting like that but it would surprising as I really don’t reckon they would even think of it.

    JC

    January 4, 2010 at 11:43 pm

  239. Blog title of the year
    “We Have Got To Get Rid Of This Bogus Doctrine To Do With The Conservation Of Mass And Energy”

    http://graemebird.wordpress.com/2009/12/26/we-have-got-to-get-rid-of-this-bogus-doctrine-to-do-with-the-conservation-of-mass-and-energy/

    jtfsoon

    January 5, 2010 at 12:06 am

  240. It has to be the funniest title for the year.. so soon too. He progressively gets worse as the years wear on.

    JC

    January 5, 2010 at 12:40 am

  241. Lord Monkton totally destroys Kevin Rudd. No recovery is possible – either for Rudd or for “global warming.”

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/03/climate-change-proposed-personal-briefing/#more-14778

    I would only add that the chief purveyors of this fraud must, at some future time, be tried for their crimes.

    C.L.

    January 5, 2010 at 3:53 am

  242. Whilst not inferring that CO2 isn’t a driver of temperatures, this makes for interesting reading:

    http://climaterealists.com/attachments/database/TwentiethCenturyTemperatureCorrelationupdate.pdf

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 5, 2010 at 8:49 am

  243. What really pisses me off about Australia.

    You make a business call which a secretary answers, tell her you want to speak to her boss and then she asks, “what is it regarding”.

    My reply this morning (after I had enough of this crap)…

    “If you’re the boss I’d ask for you, but you’re not which is why i would like to speak to so and so.”.

    JC

    January 5, 2010 at 11:48 am

  244. “It has to be the funniest title for the year.. so soon too. He progressively gets worse as the years wear on.”

    Have you noticed that he’s now banging on about human evolution being the result of alien experiments? Apparently his ‘science’ is now being appropriated holus bolus from the script of Battlestar Galactica.

    BirdLab

    January 5, 2010 at 12:06 pm

  245. About time. Obama administration introduces race and religious profiling:

    Tougher screening rules for US-bound passengers on suspect flights.

    Countries targeted:

    Cuba
    Iran
    Sudan
    Syria
    Afghanistan
    Libya
    Nigeria
    Pakistan
    Somalia
    Yemen
    Algeria
    Lebanon
    Saudi Arabia
    Iraq

    Mmm, I wonder what they have in common.

    C.L.

    January 5, 2010 at 12:42 pm

  246. Keynesianism an epic disaster for Europe.

    Eurozone faces 2010 debt crisis.

    FRANKFURT – The eurozone’s new year heralds a debt crisis that has alarm bells ringing and markets tracking government plans to tame the growing shortfall.

    Officials have borrowed heavily to pull the 16-nation zone out of its first recession, and debt levels are set to smash a huge hole in the ceiling set by the European Union in its Stability and Growth Pact.

    Soaring budget deficits, low growth and banking sector support “are feeding into significantly higher public debt levels,” the European Commission has warned.

    Average eurozone “public debt could reach 84 per cent of GDP by 2010, an increase of 18 percentage points from 2007,” it said, far above the pact’s limit of 60 per cent.

    Government debt ratings have been downgraded in Greece by all three major international agencies, and by some of them in Ireland and Spain as well.

    The Fitch agency has urged all governments with top ratings to tame debt, mentioning in particular Britain, which is not a eurozone member, along with France and Spain, which are.

    Germany, long considered the cornerstone of eurozone fiscal discipline, forecasts public debt at around 78 per cent of GDP this year, while in France, the second biggest eurozone economy, public debt jumped to a record 75.8 per cent in the third quarter of 2009.

    C.L.

    January 5, 2010 at 12:44 pm

  247. It’s probably hard to believe but rating agencies are generally pretty decent with sov3eign credit ratings, so if they say Greece and Spain is in the danger zone the believe it.

    The two sleepers in all this are Italy and Belgium with even higher levels of government debt.

    Europe will default by 2030 at the latest. Japan will sooner.

    JC

    January 5, 2010 at 12:50 pm

  248. Loony Krugman: the lesson of 1937 is that we must keep spending.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/opinion/04krugman.html?ref=opinion

    C.L.

    January 5, 2010 at 2:02 pm

  249. More on that dating website that has conducted a Stalinist purge against porkers.

    “Letting fatties roam the site is a direct threat to our business model and the very concept for which BeautifulPeople.com was founded.”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8439495.stm

    C.L.

    January 5, 2010 at 2:04 pm

  250. I’m sympathetic to that Cl. The is clear the site wants to attract certain types, which in this case sounds like the most narcissistic of the species.

    You exchange pics, go on a date and end up sitting next to a porker requiring two chairs for each bum cheek so the obvious porker is that the porker made a false claim and wasted the narcissist’s time.

    JC

    January 5, 2010 at 2:09 pm

  251. oops … the obvious point….

    JC

    January 5, 2010 at 2:10 pm

  252. OK, this is weird. Johnson & Johnson heiress Casey Johnson is reported dead, then not dead but in a coma. Her lesbian “fiancee” Twitters through the anguish.

    Johnson was reportedly engaged to reality TV star Tila Tequila, who appeared unsure of the news.

    “Everyone please pray 4 my Wifey Casey Johnson. She has passed away,” Tequila wrote on Twitter an hour ago.

    But a few minutes ago, she wrote: “I just got news that my fiance is not dead but currently in a coma!!! Omg please pray that she will make it! Hang in there my love please!!!”

    TMZ said Tequila had said she had been unable to contact Johnson since December 29, as Johnson’s phone was off.

    C.L.

    January 5, 2010 at 2:13 pm

  253. LOL.

    Labor seizes on temperature figures as evidence of global warming.

    I seize on the fact that Kevin Rudd’s ETS tax will do absolutely nothing about the temperature of the planet.

    C.L.

    January 5, 2010 at 2:18 pm

  254. Anyone know what the hell is going on re these attacks on Indians in Australia’s hillbilly capital, Melbourne?

    C.L.

    January 5, 2010 at 3:27 pm

  255. CL – the cache of the post on this can be found here.

    Sinclair Davidson

    January 5, 2010 at 3:32 pm

  256. Thanks, Sinclair. It’s worth reading that post again. But still the question: why this sudden onslaught against curry munchers?

    C.L.

    January 5, 2010 at 3:36 pm

  257. I think it’s all very strange. In the recent stabbing the fellow wasn’t even robbed. And you have just as many Indian students working late and on the trains here in Sydney and nothing similar.

    jtfsoon

    January 5, 2010 at 3:38 pm

  258. The recent stabbing wasn’t even a stabbing per se. It was your classic killing cut – in just under the ribcage, blade upwards, then a deep cut upwards through the lungs and heart.

    Killing was the objective.

    FDB

    January 5, 2010 at 3:43 pm

  259. Is that right? FM.

    C.L.

    January 5, 2010 at 4:02 pm

  260. That’s terrible.

    Sinclair Davidson

    January 5, 2010 at 4:03 pm

  261. Same dude at work here?

    Hacker inserts picture of Mr Bean into Spain’s website for its presidency of the European Union.

    Elsewhere, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s website has also been hacked – with the Iranian president photoshopped as a monkey.

    C.L.

    January 5, 2010 at 4:05 pm

  262. Obama appoints man dressed as a woman to administration position. This is being hailed as historical. How quickly people forgot Janet Reno.

    C.L.

    January 5, 2010 at 6:23 pm

  263. A bit catty CL 🙂

    tal

    January 5, 2010 at 6:54 pm

  264. tal

    January 5, 2010 at 7:02 pm

  265. Obama appoints man dressed as a woman to administration position

    phil’s now working for obama?

    jc

    January 5, 2010 at 7:04 pm

  266. A Clinton and Lewinsky movie!!!!!
    http://bluedressmovie.com/

    tal

    January 5, 2010 at 7:10 pm

  267. That’s one I won’t be watching.

    BirdLab

    January 5, 2010 at 7:18 pm

  268. That’s very funny.

    Sinclair Davidson

    January 5, 2010 at 7:19 pm

  269. Oh I’m sure Hillary will find it amusing Sinc 🙂

    tal

    January 5, 2010 at 7:21 pm

  270. BirdLab you being a poolboy and all I thought you’d love it 🙂

    tal

    January 5, 2010 at 7:22 pm

  271. I’m sure Hillary will love the movie. 🙂

    Sinclair Davidson

    January 5, 2010 at 8:33 pm

  272. Cost of Obama’s show trial of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed: $200 million a year.

    C.L.

    January 6, 2010 at 2:11 am

  273. More Spock-like brilliance from Barry:

    Freed Guantánamo inmates are heading for Yemen to join al-Qaeda fight.

    Response? He’s sending them another hundred.

    C.L.

    January 6, 2010 at 2:16 am

  274. C.L.,

    Justice is costly.

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 6, 2010 at 9:11 am

  275. I can’t believe this:

    Escheat law for pre paid phone credit:

    http://reason.com/blog/2010/01/03/dc-to-att-all-your-unused-minu

    Some proto feudalist is defending the concept in the comments section!

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 6, 2010 at 9:16 am

  276. I was disappointed that the estimate was arrived at by just multiplying 35*365, so sounds like bullshit to me.

    Steve Edney

    January 6, 2010 at 10:12 am

  277. If the author forgot to take into account the 8 or 9 leap years then how can we trust the accuracy of the rest of his work? 🙂

    Steve Edney

    January 6, 2010 at 10:14 am

  278. That’s one chick a day for 35 years which Steve E correctly says didn’t account for leap years. Lol

    However that goes without saying that he did bang a hell of a lot of gals. He’s was like the alpha male in Hollywood for years.

    jc

    January 6, 2010 at 11:11 am

  279. Goodness what a busy man,imagine if Viagara was around then

    tal

    January 6, 2010 at 11:16 am

  280. In the recent stabbing the fellow wasn’t even robbed. And you have just as many Indian students working late and on the trains here in Sydney and nothing similar.
    .
    C. 1990 A lot of drug fucked teenagers from crap homes started reproducing and their kids were brought up on gangsta rap and sugar. Now we reap the rewards. There’s just a huge slice of males aged 18-25 who learned all their ethics from Menace II Society.
    .
    They target Indians ’cause three minutes down from the plane they’ve got more money and education then this lot’ll ever have and they know it.

    Adrien

    January 6, 2010 at 11:44 am

  281. CL – That Times Online story is a crock of shit.
    .
    US officials are increasingly concerned that the country is becoming a hot-bed of terrorism.
    .
    That’s like saying that the police are increasingly concerned that firing bullets into the back of peoples’ heads causes death. Yemen hasn’t changed since AD 700. It’s been a hotbed of terrorism since forever. Who cares? What’s there to blow up?
    .
    Eleven of the former inmates known to have rejoined al-Qaeda in Yemen were born in Saudi Arabia. The organisation merged its Saudi and Yemeni offshoots last year.
    .
    AQ is not an organisation. Whoever wrote this should get a job.

    Adrien

    January 6, 2010 at 11:48 am

  282. Justice is costly.

    Sure is – especially considering Obama has said he’ll never be freed even if he’s acquitted.

    C.L.

    January 6, 2010 at 11:53 am

  283. Spock-like genius backflips, grudgingly accepts reality:

    U.S. to Suspend Gitmo Detainee Transfers to Yemen.

    C.L.

    January 6, 2010 at 12:03 pm

  284. so why aren’t as many Indian bashings happening in Sydney Adrien? is our policing better? I doubt it

    jtfsoon

    January 6, 2010 at 12:09 pm

  285. tal

    January 6, 2010 at 12:20 pm

  286. Malaysia is getting worse

    I blame fucking Saudi oil money funding more radical clerics, tal, I really do. Bird is right. That bloody family of bandits needs to be brought down like squealing pigs.

    There have always been racial tensions but these were unrelated to religion in the past except marginally but the present generation of Malay Muslims are more rigid than in my days and those in my days more rigid than in my father’s day.

    jtfsoon

    January 6, 2010 at 1:18 pm

  287. On a somewhat related note, the great Gus Dur passed away last year. here is a representative of a more pluralistic Asian Islam

    http://blogs.straitstimes.com/2010/1/5/gus-dur-becomes-cult-figure

    jtfsoon

    January 6, 2010 at 1:22 pm

  288. so why aren’t as many Indian bashings happening in Sydney Adrien? is our policing better? I doubt it
    .
    Cause the gangsta culture is better developed in Sydney? Everybody there already has enough people to hate. 🙂

    Adrien

    January 6, 2010 at 1:23 pm

  289. Gruppenfuhrer Bob Brown calls for the banning of charter flights out of Australia – hired by Japanese whalers to keep check of where Sea Shepherd pirates are. In the same story, Sea Shepherd acquires new spy aircraft of its own.

    Meanwhile, American celebrity Bob Barker has helped the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society buy and fit out another boat for its Japanese fleet.

    Mr Barker donated $US5 million ($A5.48 million) to purchase “the Bob Barker”, a Norwegian whaling ship.

    The money will also go towards the purchase of a helicopter which will accompany the fleet.

    C.L.

    January 6, 2010 at 1:24 pm

  290. Too true Jase 30 years ago only the old women covered their heads,the men grew beards when the got older,it was a great place to visit.Now girls as young a 4 cover,that isn’t a Malay thing.F**k I hate the middle east

    tal

    January 6, 2010 at 1:24 pm

  291. I hope you’ve been behaving yourself Adrien

    tal

    January 6, 2010 at 1:26 pm

  292. That’s why they’re in Gitmo – where they should stay.
    .
    Well I think Gitmo’s a blight on our ideas of justice but let’s not. It’ll go on for ever.
    .
    Bit odd, wouldn’t you say, for a president to announce the opening of a new theatre in the non-existent war on terrorism (in Yemen) and then send a bunch of Yemeni terrorists back home to join the jihad against your own country? I mean, wouldn’t you say that’s just a little bit srupid?
    .
    On the surface yeah. But the problem with AQ is that it’s not an organization as we understand it. We don’t know who these guys are mostly. But we know who these guys are. Maybe it’s some double agent thing. Or maybe it’s just colossal stupidity.
    .
    I’m not especially concerned. They can’t do shit in Yemen. If they leave Yemen they’ll be traced, hence my double agent suspicions. What’s required here is intelligence. Considering that this lot don’t trust anyone who isn’t their cousin that’s hard to get. My feeling is that the whole place will go up in a religious war sometime soon. It’s like 17th century Europe only poor. So they’ll get the St Bartholomew’s Day massacres without the Rembrandt. Poor schmoes.
    .
    If it wasn’t for the oil it wouldn’t matter to us a bit. And if we get past the oil this lot’s fucked forever. What else’ve they got?

    Adrien

    January 6, 2010 at 1:35 pm

  293. Well I think Gitmo’s a blight on our ideas of justice…

    It’s actually one of the best and safest supermax prisons in the world. You’d be far more endangered in an Australian supermax. So that’s just a talking point.

    …the problem with AQ is that it’s not an organization as we understand it…

    Yeah, and? Yemen is chocka with terrorists, a dozen from Gitmo have already returned to terrorism there and Obama was going to send back another hundred – presumably so US forces could kill them during the coming US-backed war on terror in that country (jointly announced by the US and the UK last week). So that’s just plain stupid – and the decision has now been canned.

    As for whether Yemen is headed for the kind of religious violence we associate with Cromwell in another time and place, I really don’t know. Maybe so. But it is another good reason not to send them 100 new jihadists.

    C.L.

    January 6, 2010 at 1:45 pm

  294. tal

    January 6, 2010 at 2:00 pm

  295. Airport security should concentrate with especial vigour on all Muslim travellers, no question.

    C.L.

    January 6, 2010 at 2:36 pm

  296. It sounds to me that Israeli security sounds as though it should be the only option available now, which is several layers of screening.

    I can’t recall we’re I read about it.

    Even if a bomb goes off the airport shouldn’t be stopped and closed down as there are protected glassed in areas that localize explosions.

    jc

    January 6, 2010 at 2:40 pm

  297. Steve Sailer: “Basically, Israeli airline security consists of Larry David-style suspicious staring into everybody’s eyeballs ”

    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2010/01/how-they-do-security-at-ben-gurion.html

    jtfsoon

    January 6, 2010 at 2:42 pm

  298. Hey, Obama’s new security checks are working:

    ‘Terror Suspect’ Joan Rivers Booted Off Flight.

    C.L.

    January 6, 2010 at 2:42 pm

  299. jc

    January 6, 2010 at 2:43 pm

  300. You should see Changi after the pilgrims come home from the Haji

    tal

    January 6, 2010 at 2:51 pm

  301. my initial thought about switching over to the Israeli system is that unlike elsewhere US airport workers are about as brain-dead as a 30 day cadaver sitting by the road in a war zone.

    As a group they wouldn’t be able to spot someone walking through the terminal with an exact working copy of the bomb dropped Hiroshima.

    It wouldn’t be so much several layers of security, it would several layers of idiocy multiplying itself as you walk through the layers and we know that if you start multiplying decimals you end up with a smaller number.

    It’s like 50% of a brain multiplied by 50% of a brain = 25% of a normal brain.

    If the “Israelify” US security and add 6 layers you end up with

    .5 *.5 *.5 *.5 *.5 *.5 = .00781 of a normal brain.

    Imagine 6 layers of Homers or Rogettes compounding on themselves. Rather than improving security US airports could end up like battlegrounds.

    jc

    January 6, 2010 at 3:02 pm

  302. hey jc, you seen the dirt that Birdy’s let through on you lately?

    jtfsoon

    January 6, 2010 at 3:06 pm

  303. I hate LAX, walking around with your shoes and belt in one hand and trying to hold carry on luggage and your pants up with the other. It’s a wonder there isn’t more airport rage

    tal

    January 6, 2010 at 3:06 pm

  304. Yea Jase… It’s beautiful work, hey? …. The best and cheapest think tank in the world as the loon says.

    Bird and Phil must obviously know something about my marriage that i don’t. Like…

    I thought up the point of reading that toilet bowl of a site my marriage was great and the boss still had the hots for me, but through sixth sense those two geniuses know something I don’t; sort of like divining martians and pyramids on mars I guess. You don’t need evidence just run with your gut feel.

    I think fat-arsed phil must have thought that after reading the stuff I wrote advising young guys not getting married it must have been some sort of clue I was giving, when in fact I quite explicitly said that I was one of the lucky ones.

    jc

    January 6, 2010 at 3:14 pm

  305. That movie will surely have to be a comedy.

    The big question in my mind is who will play Lucianne Goldberg?

    BirdLab

    January 6, 2010 at 3:16 pm

  306. I’m sure Mrs C is soooo insulted JC 🙂

    tal

    January 6, 2010 at 3:21 pm

  307. Tal:

    Never, ever use the non-resident aliens line at LAX.
    Ever!
    Go to the citizens line and act dumb if asked why you’re there. Apologize profusely and politely ask if you can stay there, as you have been waiting to get through for a long time and worried about luggage/connection. They always let you through.

    Keep repeating apologigy, as they love been crawled to.

    That’s how I always got through the line in no time without waiting. You get in after a load of jumbo jet of Japanese that can’t speak English and you’d be there for up to two/three hours as the US immigration dudes HAVE to ask them all these questions those poor visitors don’t understand and it becomes a night more. For some reason loads of JAL flights arrive just before the Quaint-arse jet from recollection.

    jc

    January 6, 2010 at 3:22 pm

  308. Tal:

    She has no idea what a blog is 🙂 totally disinterested in this stuff.

    jc

    January 6, 2010 at 3:23 pm

  309. Oops, I meant Linda Tripp.

    On the subject of the winged fruitloop, it would surely be a terrible thing, JC, if his wife ever found out about the boyfriend and the nude photos.

    BirdLab

    January 6, 2010 at 3:24 pm

  310. Thanks for the heads up on LAX JC

    tal

    January 6, 2010 at 3:28 pm

  311. US airport security is actually a contradiction in terms.

    If you can be an uninvited guest at the White House (there was a third one ) what are the chances of US airport security working out well?

    jc

    January 6, 2010 at 3:33 pm

  312. Remind me never to get a stomach bug in the US

    http://mises.org/daily/3997

    jtfsoon

    January 6, 2010 at 3:39 pm

  313. Problem is JC lots of airport staff don a uniform and become petty authoritarians

    tal

    January 6, 2010 at 3:40 pm

  314. And you being a germaphobe Jason must be your idea of hell

    tal

    January 6, 2010 at 3:43 pm

  315. It’s true. US toilets don’t work as there’s no pressure and you are often forced to use a freaking plunger because Congress in their wisdom- under environmentalist pressure- decided to reduce the size of the tank. They even screwed that up. Everything Washington touches ends up in disaster.

    jc

    January 6, 2010 at 3:51 pm

  316. ……..or everything Washington touches turns to shit which in this case is self-evidently true.

    jc

    January 6, 2010 at 3:56 pm

  317. The low flush toilets are perhaps contributing to global warming. A bizzare case of unintended consequences.

    Some of them require electric power to operate the pressurised air that blasts water down the cistern, as the siphonic effect is weaker with a lower volume of water.

    Actually pricing water correctly would have done much better…without increasing demand for large coal fired electric power.

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 6, 2010 at 3:58 pm

  318. Semi..L

    There are now lobbyists acting for the plumbing industry trying to get the law changed… at least there were when i lived there. i kid you not. That’s where things have got to.

    We renovated an apartment and told left the old toilets in as the plumber strongly advised not to install new ones as they didn’t work. We didn’t take his advise and you’re then left with the routine of pressing the water button with plunger in hand racing against time if the flush wasn’t successful to act quickly so that it didn’t overflow. I’m not joking.

    The problem is that with the patent system you no longer freaking know what actually works or doesn’t people as the crapper isn’t standardized there any longer seeing tank size was he previous measure.

    Seriously, do you think i became a libertarian for no reason? Washington couldn’t even allow you to have a crap in calmness.

    The joke is that at its worst they should have left it to local/state governments as there’s loads of water in various regions of the US particularly like the East Coast vs the west coast or inland.

    They couldn’t even legislate effectively on toilets and people trust them to do the right thing with much more complex issues.

    jc

    January 6, 2010 at 4:12 pm

  319. oops

    The problem with the patent system you no longer freaking know what actually works or doesn’t as the crapper isn’t standardized there any longer seeing tank size was the previous measure.

    jc

    January 6, 2010 at 4:14 pm

  320. “Problem is JC lots of airport staff don a uniform and become petty authoritarians”

    And/or they steal your fucking credit card and go on a $2500 spending spree while you’re in the air, thus fucking up your Christmas.

    Sorry nieces and nephews, no presents this year.

    FDB

    January 6, 2010 at 4:17 pm

  321. FDB is that true?

    tal

    January 6, 2010 at 4:27 pm

  322. Aye, ’tis that.

    Brisbane domestic, Virgin Blue, from a sealed interior compartment of my checked-in luggage. This was Dec 6th, and although the Feds have caught the culprit, (in court today I’m told) ANZ is still dicking me around. I won’t pay interest on the fraudulent transactions, but the bloody thing’s still maxed.

    Worse still – it’s a joint account with my recently kindasorta ex-fiancee, so she’s got no credit either. Which isn’t helping us stay positive about getting back together.

    Things aren’t going that well for me at the mo, as you can no doubt tell.

    FDB

    January 6, 2010 at 4:38 pm

  323. You know what?

    I’m going to go fishing. Take out my frustrations on some innocent marine fauna.

    FDB

    January 6, 2010 at 4:40 pm

  324. Sue the airline, FDb. Sue them like there was no tomorrow. Go o an ambulance chaser tell them the story and sue the shit out of them

    jc

    January 6, 2010 at 4:46 pm

  325. It’s actually one of the best and safest supermax prisons in the world. You’d be far more endangered in an Australian supermax. So that’s just a talking point.
    .
    But to become incarcerated in an Australian prison one needs must go thru a due process, yes?
    .
    Yeah, and?
    .
    And so it’s impossible to deal with them the same way you’d deal with the KGB.
    .
    As for whether Yemen is headed for the kind of religious violence we associate with Cromwell in another time and place, I really don’t know. Maybe so.
    .
    According to the scholarship on the subject it’s pretty similar: disillusion with the religious establishment, push to start a ‘pure’ new faith, rationalization of all batshittery in doing so etc.
    .
    But it is another good reason not to send them 100 new jihadists.
    .
    Didn’t say it was. I have no opinion. Not enough information. But if David Hicks was one of the worst Gitmo inmates then I have my doubts about the credentials of any of ’em. That’s the trouble with eliminating due process. You don’t know who’s guilty and who isn’t. But if they weren’t Jihadists then I reckon they are now.

    Adrien

    January 6, 2010 at 5:04 pm

  326. FDB – That’s totally fucked! Seriously.

    Adrien

    January 6, 2010 at 5:05 pm

  327. But to become incarcerated in an Australian prison one needs must go thru a due process, yes?

    Yes. But these detainees didn’t rob a servo. They’re terrorists. They are not entitled to anything more than the military justice established to deal with them – a system of tribunals that Obama is keeping.

    But if David Hicks was one of the worst Gitmo inmates…

    Well, he wasn’t but if you think a dude who goes to Cashmir and casually shoots at darkies across the border is just a larrikin Aussie lad on a lark, I’m afraid you’ve obviously bought another talking point. Hicks deserved everything he got.

    The Gitmo detainees are dangerous (and are now seen as such across the political spectrum, excluding Code Pink wackos) – which is why Obama hasn’t closed the facility; he doesn’t know what to do with them.

    C.L.

    January 6, 2010 at 6:29 pm

  328. They’re terrorists.
    .
    Established according to what rules of justice?
    .
    They are not entitled to anything more than the military justice established to deal with them
    .
    It’s neither military justice nor civil justice nor any kind of justice. It’s Donald Rumsfeld making it up as he goes along.
    .
    Well, he wasn’t but if you think a dude who goes to Cashmir
    .
    Where’s Cashmir? Is it next to Mohairia?
    .
    and casually shoots at darkies across the border
    .
    What does the skin colour of Indians have to do with anything. What colour are the Pakistanis again?
    .
    is just a larrikin Aussie lad on a lark
    .
    Well ‘larrikin on a lark’ is the way we tend to describe footy meathead pack rapists. 🙂
    .
    Code Pink wackos
    .
    I thought Obama was the King of the Code Pink Whackos.
    .
    My salient point is a simple one: the laws of justice are there for a reason. The reason is to ascribe guilt to the guilty and to arbitrarily. The Gitmo detainees have not undergone any due process. If David Hicks was Jack the Ripper it wouldn’t matter he’s entitled to due process. If the due process is undertaken then we can be reasonably sure of his liabilities. We’re not. The most you can say about the guy is that he went to a war zone and took part in a war.

    Adrien

    January 6, 2010 at 7:04 pm

  329. It only hurts when you laugh.

    Rehabilitating Tom DeLay’s reputation always seemed hopeless, or so we thought—but then again, President Obama ran on hope. Against the odds Democrats are making the former GOP Majority Leader look better by comparison as they bypass the ordinary institutions of deliberative democracy in the final sprint to pass ObamaCare.

    Sinclair Davidson

    January 6, 2010 at 7:30 pm

  330. The Gitmo detainees (regarded as highly dangerous by the Obama “administration”) are terrorists and they have been legally incarcerated pursuant to American law. They are treated far better than unlawful combatants deserve to be (or even have to be). Back in Clinton’s day, they would have handed over to Egypt to be killed. The military tribunal system is also established pursuant to law – and, guess what, Barry is keeping the tribunal system.

    What does the skin colour of Indians have to do with anything.

    To me, nothing. To racist bogan, David Hicks, they evidently seemed less than fully human – which is why he boasted about shooting at them for fun. You seem to be OK about this (but you are a Melburnian these days).

    My salient point is a simple one: the laws of justice are there for a reason.

    Right. The terrorists at Gitmo have been captured and incarcerated pursuant to law. Their Cuban prison is one of the best supermax institutions in the world.

    If David Hicks was Jack the Ripper it wouldn’t matter he’s entitled to due process.

    Again, he was lawfully captured and incarcerated. He was not entitled to be treated like a regular citizen but the main reason his tribunal hearing was delayed was that Gitmo detainees kept challenging the military commission laws – which were perfectly reasonable, conceptually, which is why Barry is keeping them in their latest incarnation.

    Incredible that you’re still raving on about David Hicks, by the way. You seem locked into the anti-Bushitler ensemble of distractions that was current about four years ago. I sense a reluctance to criticise Democrats. Naturally, I’m deeply surprised.

    Incidentally, I note the stupendous moral hypocrisy of somebody who objected to Roman Polanski being brought to justice now wheeling out Michael Moore talking points from 2004 about “due process” and “justice.”

    C.L.

    January 6, 2010 at 8:57 pm

  331. Yes, Sinclair, Caudillo Obama has banned Republicans from the committee process.

    C.L.

    January 6, 2010 at 9:01 pm

  332. i really want one of these gizmos. Am I perhaps being greedy?

    http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,702638/CES-Skiff-shows-bendable-115-inch-e-book-reader/News/

    jc

    January 6, 2010 at 11:50 pm

  333. Oh treat yourself JC 🙂

    tal

    January 7, 2010 at 1:03 am

  334. Democrats are jumping ship all over the place. The latest to bail is criminal sleaze ball, Chris Dodd.

    C.L.

    January 7, 2010 at 1:55 am

  335. Belmont club always worth reading argues:

    the bomber will always get through.

    A Solution…

    http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2010/01/05/new-lamps-for-old/#more-7401

    jc

    January 7, 2010 at 1:58 am

  336. Japs crush the SS batboat. LOL.

    C.L.

    January 7, 2010 at 2:15 am

  337. Perhaps desalination has really arrived and the bullshit that we can’t have more people in Oz is just that… bullshit.

    This story outs the dead-enders to shame.

    Technology can nearly solve all human problems and the way to unlock is is to endure capital is relatively abundant, cheap and accessible which means don’t hate your regular investment banker all that much as they are the dudes putting up the initial risk capital to finance these projects for commercial use.

    Company officials claim the Engineered Osmosis (EO) process can produce drinking water at less than half the cost of current desalination methods by eliminating the need the for high-pressures used in modern Reverse Osmosis systems, thereby cutting electricity and fuel demands by more than 90%.

    By November 2009 Oasys company officials were saying they would be producing fresh water for 1/10th of RO plant costs.

    Because it employs only waste heat and a small amount of electricity for pumping water (unlike with reverse osmosis, the water doesn’t have to be pressurized) Oasys says it can produce fresh water at one-tenth the cost of today’s reverse osmosis plants.

    This is a big story of true. A 90% cost reduction in producing fresh water from seawater is pretty damn big and essentially makes water unlimited.

    http://www.forbes.com/2009/09/17/water-electricity-oasys-technology-breakthroughs-osmosis.html

    Which again comes back to the issue that adaptability ought to be in contention when discussing AGW.

    jc

    January 7, 2010 at 2:15 am

  338. India issues official travel advisory against Melbourne, the bogan capital of Australia.

    I will say this, though: it’s a bit rich for Indian controversialists to get too carried away decrying racism and prejudice given that their country is famous for being a huge toilet for both pathologies.

    C.L.

    January 7, 2010 at 2:21 am

  339. By the way, what’s happened to the anti-free speech crowd throughout all these Melburnian Indian attacks? They’ve been awfully quiet. I thought these kinds of attacks were just not possible in Victoria because anti-“hate” laws would stop thought-crime dead in its tracks before it turned into action-crime? Apparently not it seems. Banning criticism of Islamists DOESN’T prevent violence after all.

    Michael Fisk

    January 7, 2010 at 4:31 am

  340. “…Melbourne, the bogan capital of Australia.”

    What? You’ve never been to Cairns?

    http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2008/11/24/16911_local-news.html

    BirdLab

    January 7, 2010 at 11:10 am

  341. Put down your hot beverages:

    Rumour that bribe-taking Democrat criminal Chris Dodd is being considered for Treasury Secretary.

    C.L.

    January 7, 2010 at 1:05 pm

  342. Another reason for young dudes not to get married.
    (no I was lucky enough not to “suffer’ that problem)

    Study Says Women With Mate Get Heavier

    By NICHOLAS BAKALAR
    Published: January 4, 2010
    It is widely known that women tend to gain weight after giving birth, but now a large study has found evidence that even among childless women, those who live with a mate put on more pounds than those who live without one.
    The differences, the scientists found, were stark.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/05/health/05weight.html?em

    jc

    January 7, 2010 at 1:32 pm

  343. I’m sure they were stark.

    jc

    January 7, 2010 at 1:33 pm

  344. So JC what are you doing reading the NY Times? Is this related to your concern about eating meat? 🙂

    Sinclair Davidson

    January 7, 2010 at 1:40 pm

  345. yea, sinc… this may sound awfully sexist but by the sounds of this study mated gals should probably stick to eating fish as a general rule… Most certainly not fatty meat and even perhaps whale meat. 🙂

    I must apologize for tread the (Carlos) Slim Times, as it was a weak moment.

    jc

    January 7, 2010 at 2:59 pm

  346. This great comment over at brave new climate deserves a thread all by itself.

    By Peter Lang

    Hi David Walters,

    I have great difficulty taking comments seriously that argue for trade protecionism. Similarly, I do not give much weight to arguments that bureaucrats and politicians, directed by the pubilc (which basically means by special interest groups trying to force their ideology on the rest of us), can manage the economy better than a free market economy with rational, light, and appropriate regulation.

    To me. profit is good. It is good for people.. It is good for humanity. It pays for everything we want. Without profit there are no investors, no jobs, no taxes, and therefore no public funding for health, education, infrastructure, environment or anything else society needs.

    If we want to nationalise industries in developing countries because we do not like the way the companies are poluting, or whatever else they are doing wrong in our eyes, then next time someone wants to build a plant in one of these developing countries the investors will require a much higher return on their investment to cover for the risk. The plant we are now complaining about was probably set up under the rules of that country at the time. It was probably set up with a 20 to 40 year expectancy of how the dividends would be paid out to the shareholders. I get very frustreated with the left-wing advocates who want to steal from investors and haven’t a clue what the consequences are. Currently we have advisors to government in Australia recommending that power stations be shut down and we (the public and tax payer) should not have to pay fair and just compensation to the investors. To me that is stealing. If we push that line, then the potential investors in nuclear power stations in Australia (with its 60 year life) will want an enormous premium on their return. How does that help humanity?

    I get pretty frustrated with what I consider the naievety of those who argue that the state should steal from the very investors who, only a few years ago, we encouraged to invest in our economy .

    jc

    January 7, 2010 at 3:00 pm

  347. JC
    I think this happens with both genders.That’s why married friends get fatter and go to the gym less often. It’s called the ‘fat monopolist’ effect. people look good to get a mate and they once they have a mate they think they have a captive market.

    jtfsoon

    January 7, 2010 at 3:03 pm

  348. Yea, good point Jase. I’m really only joshing with that link. Thought it was funny and couldn’t believe the Slim Times would out there offending it’s chubbier readership 🙂

    jc

    January 7, 2010 at 3:05 pm

  349. PS the obvious solution to this problem is to go for the really slim women, that way you’re already factoring in some percentage of bloat over time. also look at how the mothers turn out.

    jtfsoon

    January 7, 2010 at 3:06 pm

  350. “look at how the mothers turn out”

    Not always reliable, but the best metric I’ve ever found.

    FDB

    January 7, 2010 at 3:15 pm

  351. man oh man that was her in 97? Wow she just exploded. If she dove in Indonesia would get hit with a Tsunami.

    jc

    January 7, 2010 at 3:17 pm

  352. I think the thing that’s a little different about Females/males is that i would reckon females are far more competitive about their appearance than fellas.

    An estimate I once read is that females of our species are 10 times more narcissistic than males.

    Guys couldn’t really give a shit how they look to their male peers whereas females seem to worry about their appearance a lot more how they look to their sisters as well as dudes.

    For instance i sometimes get hounded for “looking like a slob” and to smarten up going out, as I’m a firm believer that it is almost impossible to under-dress in Australia.

    Gals worry a lot about what both sexes think of them… I think.

    jc

    January 7, 2010 at 3:23 pm

  353. pierce has a bit of a gut as well but it is amazing how much she has changed in 4 years

    drscroogemcduck

    January 7, 2010 at 3:29 pm

  354. Market solution to airline security?

    The consumer should be free to choose an airline that makes him comfortable. If, for example, American Airlines decides to impose restrictions on travel on their planes by foreign nationals from a certain region, Delta will be free to pick up their slack. The consumer in turn would be allowed to discriminate by choosing to take his dollar elsewhere if he doesn’t approve of a certain airlines methods.

    In addition to the sticky issue of racial profiling on commercial airlines, privacy issues have arisen as a concern as well. Most recently, this concern has taken the form of the use of certain body scanners that leave little to the imagination (a plus considering that the 9/11 commission declared a failure in imagination to be amongst our greatest weaknesses in identifying attacks) In the free market, the customer has a much different expectation when it comes to privacy. For example, retail stores can, within reason, legally monitor dressing rooms and other sensitive areas. Airlines would be treated no differently. Whereas retailers are given leeway in order to guarantee against theft, airlines are given the same leeway to guarantee the safety of their customers.

    Once again, this would empower the customer. If he felt that a particular airlines method were more intrusive than he could bear, he would be free to move on to another.

    C.L.

    January 7, 2010 at 3:39 pm

  355. Great points Cl.

    jc

    January 7, 2010 at 3:44 pm

  356. Big day for Milky Loads aficionado and Palin uterus truther Andrew Sullivan. He has called for the invasion of Israel and raised doubts about whether the undie-bomber really intended to blow up that plane.

    C.L.

    January 7, 2010 at 4:52 pm

  357. You guys are gossiping like milkmaids

    tal

    January 7, 2010 at 4:58 pm

  358. JC started it, tal.

    he’s always encouraging us to say sexist things …

    jtfsoon

    January 7, 2010 at 5:01 pm

  359. Don’t count me amongst these twig fetishists, Tal. 🙂

    C.L.

    January 7, 2010 at 5:01 pm

  360. Now this is just ridiculous.

    I don’t see why blacks should be ashamed of liking fried chicken anyway

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/kfc-pull-cricket-ad-after-race-row-20100107-lw54.html?autostart=1

    jtfsoon

    January 7, 2010 at 5:07 pm

  361. HAHAHAHA. That’s pretty funny. OK, if they had watermelon in the ad it would have raised questions but a summer Oz/West Indies cricket commercial being tied into a US taboo like that is just ridiculous.

    C.L.

    January 7, 2010 at 5:10 pm

  362. Ridiculous.

    This is like cultural imperialism for political correctness.

    People make jokes about American insularity, but do they know the West Indians are *properly* “Afro-Caribbean”, not “African American”?

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 7, 2010 at 5:12 pm

  363. I blame Stanley Kubrick.

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 7, 2010 at 5:14 pm

  364. Me too !!!1

    tal

    January 7, 2010 at 5:18 pm

  365. LL Cool J must be a “self hating African American”

    http://www.lyricstime.com/ll-cool-j-homicide-lyrics.html

    (last verse)

    “Can’t front, I’ma millionaire livin like a king
    Still feenin for that shrimp, fried rice and chicken wings”

    I think a wave of anti Americanism is totally justified, particularly due to the “you Australians nearly wiped out your natives” comment.

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 7, 2010 at 5:20 pm

  366. CL

    Since it is the new year. I apologise for lashing out at you in such an extreme fashion last year. At times I find your rhetorical style annoying. However while we may stongly disagree on some issues, you can be fun to engage with and generally our difference in values is not so great as to justify such a breach. We have been friends before and I really admired your blogging, writing style and all notwithstanding our differences and I hope we can be friends again.

    Peace.

    jtfsoon

    January 7, 2010 at 5:24 pm

  367. C.L.,
    I can see two problems with a market approach to airline security – it would require essentially one terminal per airline (or per security approach) so that different approaches do not affect each other which would increase costs, particulrly at smaller airports.
    The second problem would be that old bug-bear – externalities. The effect of a low security approach could be damage to parties that had no real say in the decision. This risk could be covered by appropriate insurance coverage which may make it prohibitively expensive to operate a low security approach, but it would have to be specifically covered.

    Andrew

    January 7, 2010 at 5:28 pm

  368. Why wouldn’t the insurance market do that anyway?

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 7, 2010 at 5:30 pm

  369. Black people hate fried chicken as this vid at Whackingday.com shows:

    http://whackingday.com/new/?p=190

    Infidel Tiger

    January 7, 2010 at 5:38 pm

  370. I did start it all, Tal. Sorry.

    jc

    January 7, 2010 at 5:54 pm

  371. Andrew:

    I think the insurance angle can be limiting. Doesn’t IATA signatories limit the amount of loss that can be claimed by any passenger which I think lat time I looked was around US $ 75,000.

    jc

    January 7, 2010 at 5:57 pm

  372. Ah Cl was feeling better the other day:
    .
    The terrorists at Gitmo have been captured and incarcerated pursuant to law.
    .
    Que!
    .
    Again, he was lawfully captured…
    .
    Yes.
    .
    and incarcerated.
    .
    No.
    .
    He was not entitled to be treated like a regular citizen
    .
    Citizen of where? He’s Australian. He got caught keeping a tank company in Afghanistan and shunted over to an American military colony in Cuba.
    .
    but the main reason his tribunal hearing was delayed was that Gitmo detainees kept challenging the military commission laws – which were perfectly reasonable
    .
    Says you and Rummy.
    .
    which is why Barry is keeping them in their latest incarnation.
    .
    Why are the Democrats authorities when they agree with you?
    .
    I sense a reluctance to criticise Democrats.
    .
    Que! Here’s a criticism. Obama’s a big fat fizzer. Happy?
    .
    Incidentally, I note the stupendous moral hypocrisy of somebody who objected to Roman Polanski being brought to justice
    .
    Sigh. I didn’t said that. But that doesn’t stop you does it. At least you’ve got something new to repeatedly verbal me with ad nausea. Mumbai was gettin’ awful worn. 🙂

    Adrien

    January 7, 2010 at 6:37 pm

  373. Hey thanks very much, Jason. No need to apologise, though. I’m sure you had good reason to be annoyed. I didn’t really understand your mix of views on some subjects and, as a result, represented them in a way that was unfair. There’s really not much to be said for hanging out at Catallaxy without Soonian friendship – so I’m very pleased to move on.

    C.L.

    January 7, 2010 at 9:56 pm

  374. Adrien, I told myself I’d only tease you over Polanski once after you got back from your hiatus. That done, I won’t be mentioning it again. You were just being a bit of a progressive show-off; I fully realise that you don’t really heart the little creep. (I hope).

    As regards Gitmo, it’s really so very Code Pink/2006/Michael Moore etc. There’s pretty much a cross-party consensus in the US now that the detainees in Gitmo are indeed dangerous a-holes of the first rank. They were lawfully captured and incarcerated and, pursuant to law, have been given better treatment than they deserve; technically, they need not be released until the cessation of hostilities but they were given the military commission system by the Bush administration – which is entirely appropriate. Hicks, for whom I have no sympathy, was caught up in the system for too long – as the first military commission statutes were challenged in court – but, IMO, that’s what you get for travelling abroad to kill people (conceivably including your own countryman) for the fun of it.

    C.L.

    January 7, 2010 at 9:59 pm

  375. Why do police do these sort of stupid, unreasonable things?

    Jealosy?

    Lamborghini seized after mechanic’s 160kph joyride.

    The owner of a luxury sports car seized by police under hoon laws says he is being punished for an offence someone else is alleged to have committed.

    Patrick Nugawela handed his Lamborghini to a mechanic at a Perth garage and police allege the 53-year-old mechanic was caught driving the sports car yesterday at 160 kilometres per hour in a 90 kph zone in Perth’s northern suburbs.

    The vehicle has been impounded for 28 days.

    Dr Nugawela says he made an application to have the car returned but it was declined by police.

    “I have basically been subjected to mandatory sentencing without trial,” he said.

    He says patient care at his surgery will be affected by the loss of his vehicle and he does not think he will be compensated.

    “I don’t think I can sustain a financial hardship case,” he said.

    But WA Police Minister Rob Johnson stands by the move.

    “It’s an issue he’s got to take up with the garage owner,” the minister said.

    WTF? He’s got to take it up with the mechanic?

    C.L.

    January 7, 2010 at 10:05 pm

  376. Wow, this was one lucky/unlucky man:

    Atomic survivor dies.

    Mr. Yamaguchi, as a 29-year-old engineer for Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, was on a business trip in Hiroshima when the United States dropped the first atomic bomb on the morning of Aug. 6, 1945. He was getting off a streetcar when the “Little Boy” device detonated above Hiroshima.

    Mr. Yamaguchi said he was less than 2 miles away from ground zero. His eardrums were ruptured and his upper torso was burned by the blast, which destroyed most of the city’s buildings and killed 80,000 people.

    Mr. Yamaguchi spent the night in a Hiroshima bomb shelter and returned to his hometown of Nagasaki the following day, according to interviews he gave over the years. The second bomb, known as “Fat Man,” was dropped on Nagasaki on Aug. 9, killing 70,000 people there.

    Mr. Yamaguchi was in his Nagasaki office, telling his boss about the Hiroshima blast, when “suddenly the same white light filled the room,” he said in an interview last March with The Independent newspaper.

    “I thought the mushroom cloud had followed me from Hiroshima,” he said.

    “I could have died on either of those days,” Mr. Yamaguchi said in an August interview with the Mainichi Daily News. “Everything that follows is a bonus.”

    C.L.

    January 7, 2010 at 10:17 pm

  377. He needs more than Swiss Guards in fancy uniforms these days. Check out the muscle at today’s papal procession down the aisle at St Peter’s.

    http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//100106/ids_photos_wl/r2816520331.jpg/

    Sad.

    C.L.

    January 7, 2010 at 10:28 pm

  378. Poor old Tony Abbott – somebody better adopt him before he gets put down further

    rog

    January 7, 2010 at 10:31 pm

  379. Achtung Homer:

    Nazi economics being discussed over at Cafe Hayek. Tooze has been mentioned.

    Greego

    January 7, 2010 at 10:55 pm

  380. Authoritative source, Rog.

    A blogger named “Grog” who appears to be in love with Kevin Rudd.

    “Grog” forgot to mention that Australia was never forecast to be a nation that would be troubled much by the “GFC.” It wasn’t, as it happens, the government’s “stimulus” having been a waste of money.

    As you insisted for Homer’s benefit last March, prior to yours and Geoffrey’s nuptials, “the effect of stimulus packages is further to reduce the supply of capital, and thus to worsen the recession or depression.”

    How would Homer put it?

    Oh yeah. Oops.

    C.L.

    January 7, 2010 at 11:00 pm

  381. jc,
    The IATA rules are contractual (i.e. they could be contracted out of) and do not apply to people hurt on the ground – for example if the aircraft is hijacked for terrorism purposes.

    Andrew

    January 7, 2010 at 11:09 pm

  382. From Greego’s link:

    Tooze shows that the public works programs had little effect on unemployment and wasted resources; that the 1930s saw constant financial and foreign-exchange crises for the Reich; that by 1939 the condition of the German economy was desperate and that this was in fact a major factor in Hitler’s increasingly aggressive policy; that the supposed success of Speer simply did not happen; and that overall the regime was so crippled by its economic incompetence that it is nothing short of a miracle that it had as much military success as it did.

    So Homer was telling bare-faced porkies after all.

    Michael Fisk

    January 8, 2010 at 12:06 am

  383. A blogger named “CL” appears to be in love with a blogger named “CL”

    You used to have a blog, didn’t you CL? whats the problem, nobody noticed ya?

    Tony Abbott is sliding down a greasy poll;

    If you look across the Tasman, New Zealand has done just as well it seems as Australia without going into anything like the same level of debt and deficit that we have.”

    How long had NZ been in recession? 18 months?

    Most of NZ has moved to Bondi.

    rog

    January 8, 2010 at 7:43 am

  384. “WTF? He’s got to take it up with the mechanic?”

    I think you can be pretty sure, CL, that that particular mechanic is going to get has arse sued off him.

    BirdLab

    January 8, 2010 at 10:40 am

  385. You used to have a building business, didn’t you Rog? What happened? Did Geoffrey ask you to give it up so as not to damage your nails?

    I think Abbott is saying that spending $42 billion on a technical recession avoidance scheme wasn’t worth it. He’s right. But look, as someone who argued recently that windmills have now obviated nuclear power stations, you’re about as well placed as Homer to criticise the utterances of others.

    I just did a Google archive news search on Malcolm Turnbull to see what he was up to in his retirement.

    First return:

    Malcolm Turnbull censured after email turns out to be fake.

    Nothing on the vital necessity of adopting an ETS to influence the whole world.

    Odd. I wonder why.

    C.L.

    January 8, 2010 at 11:37 am

  386. So Homer was telling bare-faced porkies after all.

    Mr. Brown Shorts needs to explain his position again.

    jc

    January 8, 2010 at 12:03 pm

  387. As you insisted for Homer’s benefit last March, prior to yours and Geoffrey’s nuptials, “the effect of stimulus packages is further to reduce the supply of capital, and thus to worsen the recession or depression.”

    It’s a yearly thing, with Rogette, cl. It all depends on the year. In odd years Mrs Edelsten supports the libs while he supports labor in even years.

    jc

    January 8, 2010 at 12:08 pm

  388. Fisky you idiot what is of interest is the programs before 1936 not after 1938!

    There was labour scarcity after 1938. The Government should have had a substantial surplus instead they had a deficit.

    does Tooze believe Germany was in fullemployment by 1936? ummm yes
    Have another chocolate

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 8, 2010 at 12:09 pm

  389. tal

    January 8, 2010 at 12:09 pm

  390. Fisky you idiot what is of interest is the programs before 1936 not after 1938!

    Got that Fisk. Don’t look at what they were doing after 1938. Only look at what they were doing before 36 as Homer Brown-shorts demands it.

    There was labour scarcity after 1938.

    I agree with Brown Shorts on this one. There definitely was labor security for all the minorities in the labor camps after 1938. You worked from dawn till dusk received, bare rations and possibly beaten, but you at least did have a “job”.

    The Government should have had a substantial surplus instead they had a deficit.

    Homes, they weren’t able to run a deficit as the Fuherer’s cash for clunkers program was hugely popular.

    does Tooze believe Germany was in fullemployment by 1936? ummm yes

    People, that is normal people, don’t use that sort of term when discussing totalitarian regimes, you compete and utter nimrod.

    jc

    January 8, 2010 at 12:17 pm

  391. Forrest the debate about Germany was whether it got out of the Depression.

    YOU claimed it didn’t. Everyone else says it did.

    err genius labour camps happened when Germany had invaded nations and had prisoners to ‘work’. It also involved Jews AFTER 1938 because as Tooze said the Nazis believes they would be fifth columnists with near certain war (in 1938 care to think why?)

    Yeah that is why Germany is looked at in terms o]f conquering unemployment in a depression.

    Take our Friend Ritschl he has compared employment in the UK and Germany and found it was much better in Germany because of real wage cuts.

    Each time you comment you show even more ignorance on topics. No-one would have thought that possible.

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 8, 2010 at 12:26 pm

  392. Homer Brown-shorts debunks Adam Tooze. Oh no wait, he doesn’t.

    Adam Tooze conclusively debunked this account in his masterful work, The Wages of Destruction: The Making and Breaking of the Nazi Economy. Tooze shows that the public works programs had little effect on unemployment and wasted resources; that the 1930s saw constant financial and foreign-exchange crises for the Reich; that by 1939 the condition of the German economy was desperate and that this was in fact a major factor in Hitler’s increasingly aggressive policy; that the supposed success of Speer simply did not happen; and that overall the regime was so crippled by its economic incompetence that it is nothing short of a miracle that it had as much military success as it did.

    jc

    January 8, 2010 at 12:33 pm

  393. Art world latest:

    Naked Gary Coleman ‘doing best with what he’s got’.

    The Australian reports:

    US actor Gary Coleman said he was doing “the best I can with what I’ve got” after he was released from hospital for suffering a slight seizure.
    He spoke to celebrity website TMZ.com about his condition in his first interview since being admitted to a Los Angeles hospital Wednesday night (local time) after feeling faint and vomiting at a hotel.

    With a bandage over his forehead and a cane in his hand the diminutive 41-year-old Coleman, who is best known for his role as Arnold Jackson in the American sitcom Diff’rent Strokes, said there’s “nothing wrong with my head.”

    He also vented frustration over his latest film – Midgets vs. Mascots – claiming he’s upset producers didn’t remove a scene featuring a full frontal shot of his penis.

    C.L.

    January 8, 2010 at 12:36 pm

  394. that overall the regime was so crippled by its economic incompetence

    It’s the incompetence that naturally attracted Homer Brown-shorts to Nazi economics. It was like fly paper to Homer. Mention incompetence to Brown-Shorts and he’s off waving banners in support.

    jc

    January 8, 2010 at 12:36 pm

  395. Too f**king funny is right CL

    tal

    January 8, 2010 at 12:46 pm

  396. Forrest you are an ignorant person.I have actually said Germany was always going to lose a large war and would be destroyed because of Tooze’s work.

    More evidence of Forrest giant foot in his mouth.

    Take it out and have another chocolate

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 8, 2010 at 1:51 pm

  397. I have actually said Germany was always going to lose a large war and would be destroyed because of Tooze’s work.

    can you try to at least make sentences and statements reasonably comprehensible. This drivel isn’t fit to be posted here.

    jc

    January 8, 2010 at 1:55 pm

  398. “I have actually said Germany was always going to lose a large war”

    What year did you predict this? Anything pre 1943 and I’ll give you props.

    Infidel Tiger

    January 8, 2010 at 1:58 pm

  399. I wouldn’t complain if I were you Forrest your ignorance is allowed. More obfuscation when caught out again

    IT if you read the sentence you wouldn’t ask such a baseless question.

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 8, 2010 at 2:01 pm

  400. The Gore effect strikes again,

    Iguanas falling from trees
    http://www.justnews.com/news/22152242/detail.html

    tal

    January 8, 2010 at 2:02 pm

  401. have actually said Germany was always going to lose a large war and would be destroyed because of Tooze’s work

    is this a future projection Homer? Tooze is going to destroy Germany?

    Jason Soon

    January 8, 2010 at 2:02 pm

  402. Someone warn the Germans

    tal

    January 8, 2010 at 2:06 pm

  403. I have actually said Germany was always going to lose a large war and would be destroyed because of Tooze’s work.

    Lol. Tooze defeated Nazi’s. Did Zhukov, Ike and others take his advice?

    Steve Edney

    January 8, 2010 at 2:06 pm

  404. Yes, he may have done that, but he is still wrong about German unemployment and armaments!

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 8, 2010 at 2:07 pm

  405. You goose Homer. You could be the first person moderated as a result of the incomprehensible swill you post. It’s oppressive to everyone here.

    Typical example of homer’s comments.

    bike could peddle if the spokes went around and around wheel and the bikesat is handlebars.

    goose.

    jc

    January 8, 2010 at 2:22 pm

  406. Tal, will you be catching Coleman in Midgets vs. Mascots? Don’t tell me that full frontal isn’t a draw card 😉

    C.L.

    January 8, 2010 at 2:26 pm

  407. CL – I told myself I’d only tease you over Polanski once after you got back from your hiatus. That done, I won’t be mentioning it again.
    .
    I’d actually have it coming over Polanski. If he died in jail it wouldn’t be unjust at all. Just goes to show we can all victims of propaganda. I made a New Year’s Resolution over you too. No more baiting etc. Let’s see if I keep it.
    .
    As regards Gitmo, it’s really so very Code Pink/2006/Michael Moore etc.
    .
    I have no doubt that it’s ‘Code Pink’ as you call it. Automatic assumption that the perpetrator is a victim etc. But my concern is with the violation of the rule of law, the casual way this was done and the easy acceptance of this by almost everyone outside of the legal profession. It was a continual source of frustration to me to not be able to get this across. I don’t think Hicks was ‘just an Aussie larrikin’. I think he was a stupid meathead who wanted to play soldier. I also don’t think he ever became a radical Muslim.
    .
    He wouldn’t enrol in the School of Blow-Yourself-Up and he dropped Islam once in the slammer. Maybe 7 years incarceration is some kind of justice. But the law is always chasing justice, it never catches up. The thing is if we bend it to suit every situation, if we abandon fundamental principle for this or that contingency, we risk losing it altogether. At the very least there should’ve been more of a fuss.
    .
    That the Australian govt decided to abandon its own principles of justice to some rubber-justice Imperial adventurism was a mistake. I think after a while they realised this too. The Hicks Case ended in such a way that has plea bargain written all over it.
    .
    That Obama has continued with the system (and to what extent he has I don’t know) only serves to illustrate the all-talk, no-action (or wrong action) scenario attributed to him from across the spectrum. (Sorry, but you’d be in agreement with Noam Chomsky that he doesn’t deserve a peace prize.)

    .
    He appears to be another example of amoral Clintonesque triangulation only in a time of economic crisis, hence the crony capitalist/Keynsian pork fest. I’m not surprised. I’m not even all that disappointed. Sad innit?

    Adrien

    January 8, 2010 at 2:27 pm

  408. oh dear can ANYONE tell us why Tooze had as his title the Wages of Destruction?

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 8, 2010 at 2:30 pm

  409. oh dear doesn’t that sorta destroy your argument that Tooze was saying anything good about Deustchland von Homer?

    Jason Soon

    January 8, 2010 at 2:31 pm

  410. bike could peddle if the spokes went around and around wheel and the bikesat is handlebars

    What. The. F—ing. F–k?

    Homer, you make the dying Dutch Schultz sound sensible.

    A boy has never wept…nor dashed a thousand kim.

    C.L.

    January 8, 2010 at 2:32 pm

  411. Do you know Homer?

    How on earth does that validate any of your stupidity?

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 8, 2010 at 2:32 pm

  412. CL seeing Gary Coleman naked has always been a fantasy of mine :)BTW Graeme has written an interesting piece about pandas

    tal

    January 8, 2010 at 2:34 pm

  413. CL, that wasn’t me at all.

    Statman you are confusing the short-term with the long-term.

    Tooze makes it clear Germany got out of the Depression, indeed reached full employment by 1936.

    however by concentrating on creating a war economy they condemned themselves.
    Moreover by broadcasting to the World in 1936 they exacerbated this.

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 8, 2010 at 2:35 pm

  414. Homer

    You shouldn’t be even going close to a reference on Tooze. You were caught flat out lying about what Tooze was saying to support your sick fantasy with the Nazis.

    Get help.

    jc

    January 8, 2010 at 2:39 pm

  415. yeah yeah yeah,

    Who by?

    The only person caught out lying around here is you!

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 8, 2010 at 2:41 pm

  416. Not this crap again…

    You pretty much become a Nazi apologist, ignoring fraud etc, and only concentrate on the cherry picked, dubious high points.

    The German economy was manipulated for war and busted by 1939. German nutrition and child mortality worsened, even after confiscating Jewish property and stealing Czech gold reserves.

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 8, 2010 at 2:44 pm

  417. People here didn’t believe a scholar like Tooze would have been saying the horrible things you said he did, so they all bought the book, cross referenced with what you were suggesting he said and caught you flat out lying.

    In fact you were scorned for abusing a high level scholar with that dishonesty.

    Homer, take your Nazi crap out of here. Go start Nazi Economics blog or something. No one’s frankly interested in your disgusting affliction.

    jc

    January 8, 2010 at 2:45 pm

  418. SRL, please be a good chap. Not talking about post 1936. All agreed on that.

    It is whether Germany got out of the Depression or not.

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 8, 2010 at 2:46 pm

  419. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany#Economy

    “While the strict state intervention into the economy, and the massive rearmament policy, almost led to full employment during the 1930s (statistics didn’t include non-citizens or women), real wages in Germany dropped by roughly 25% between 1933 and 1938.[39] Trade unions were abolished, as well as collective bargaining and the right to strike.[40] The right to quit also disappeared: Labour books were introduced in 1935, and required the consent of the previous employer in order to be hired for another job.[40] In place of ordinary profit incentive to guide investment, investment was guided through regulation to accord with needs of the State. Government financing eventually came to dominate the investment process, which the proportion of private securities issued falling from over 50% of the total in 1933 and 1934 to approximately 10% in 1935–1938. Heavy taxes on profits limited self-financing of firms. The largest firms were mostly exempt from taxes on profits, however government control of these were extensive enough to leave “only the shell of private ownership.” [41]”

    Hitler got out of the depression like how Madoff managed his client’s money.

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 8, 2010 at 3:01 pm

  420. Oh no.

    C.L.

    January 8, 2010 at 3:17 pm

  421. Quick change the subject, let’s talk about Gary Coleman’s pecker

    tal

    January 8, 2010 at 3:18 pm

  422. Does the Deltoid Dwarf co-star in this Gary Coleman movie?

    jtfsoon

    January 8, 2010 at 3:20 pm

  423. no jason. The Del auditioned for the part but was refused the role for obvious reasons.

    jc

    January 8, 2010 at 3:23 pm

  424. oh gosh wiki it must be true.

    Profits as a % of GDP rose dramatically which is ironic as Hitler promised to do the reverse.
    one of the reasons heavier taxes on profits were introduced.

    Yes real wages to fall a lot but that combined with large expenditure enabled unemployment to fall dramatically and get to full employment by 1936 as Tooze acknowledges.

    The question of rearmament is highly debatable.
    Tooze is of this school which relies on Ritschl’s analysis that ALL mefo financing went into military spending.

    Tooze says this led military spending rising from 2 – 10 % of GDP in two years.
    Such a rise would be seen by anyone.
    It also would have made the mefo bills reasons redundant.

    Ritschl is one who quite rightly believes the large scale state intervention is vastly overstated.

    to quote him from p8 in the wake of turner’s (79) criticism, these views have been revised thoroughly. the emerging picture is one of far less than perfect state control of investment activity, if not outright policy failure.

    Wow wiki not even up to date who would have thought it!

    SRL read a decent book or journal article but don’t read wiki

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 8, 2010 at 3:23 pm

  425. If you’ve seen one little pecker Jase you’ve seen them all

    tal

    January 8, 2010 at 3:23 pm

  426. Hal Colebatch senior spent some time in Europe during the 1930s and he met both Mussolini and the German Schacht. Mussolini was living off the capital of liberal reforms that pre-dated his administration, which he was in the process of reversing under pressure from the industialists.

    Schacht and his circle resisted Hitler’s war preparations as best they could, to the extent of shouting matches between Schcht and Hitler, but of course nobody was about to beat Hitler in a shouting match.

    They pleaded with Colebatch to use whatever influence he had to promote free trade by Britain and the US which they saw as the only hope to push the German economy into exchanging with the world. As it was the Germans persisted with autarchy (and preparation for war), aided by worldwide protectionism. For example Colebatch spoke to people who wanted to buy fine Australian wool to make clothing but Germany could not sell manufactures to us due to our protective tariffs so they could not buy our wool.

    On the way to Britain Colebatch passed through several Asian nations and he heard the same story over and over, they wanted to trade with Australia but our tariffs kept them out.

    The following is an extract from my review of the book that Hal Colebatch junior wrote about his father.

    http://www.the-rathouse.com/shortreviews/revSteadfastKnight.html

    “Colebatch travelled widely on the continent during the 1930s, including Italy where he had an interview with Mussolini. Colebatch reported that the country was moving ahead under liberal policies until the industrialists persuaded Mussolini to introduce the corporate state which cramped trade and enterprise. The changes took some time to take effect and Mussolini took credit for the benefits of policies that he did not understand and which were no longer in place. It seems that both economic progress and support for Mussolini were waning in the late 1930s. Similarly in Germany the enthusiasm of the early Hitler years wore off in the late 1930s but the country was still headed for war under influence of Hitler’s military ambitions and the anti-trade regimes of Britain and the US. In Germany Sir Hal met numerous senior officials, notably the finance wizard Hjalmar Schacht, who believed that only increased trade would avert an aggressive war by Germany, and that was essentially in the hands of Britain and the United States.”

    Rafe

    January 8, 2010 at 3:24 pm

  427. jesus Rafe this sounds almost as bad as Homer’s theories. I hope the book isn’t suggesting Nazism would have been brought down by free trade (!)

    jtfsoon

    January 8, 2010 at 3:28 pm

  428. Butters,

    I’ve read plenty of academic papers and it didn’t turn me into a Nazi apologist like you.

    “Ritschl is one who quite rightly believes the large scale state intervention is vastly overstated.”

    Minus the Nuremberg laws.

    You’re a train wreck. This conversation has ended.

    Semi Regular Libertarian

    January 8, 2010 at 3:33 pm

  429. Thank God

    tal

    January 8, 2010 at 3:35 pm

  430. Yes, thank you.

    Sinclair Davidson

    January 8, 2010 at 3:41 pm

  431. To paraphrase Gary Coleman’s famous character, “what you talkin’ ’bout, Homer?”

    C.L.

    January 8, 2010 at 3:41 pm

  432. Phil apparently in trouble, reports The Australian:

    Police hunt bearded man wearing black bra, red knickers.

    C.L.

    January 8, 2010 at 3:46 pm

  433. SRL,

    who is an apologist now Ritschl,Temin or even Tooze?

    I just love it when you people spit out the pejoratives when you have been shown to be clearly wrong. and no you clearly haven’t read any books or journal articles on this subject otherwise you would not have quoted Wiki which hasn’t yet read a book published in 1979!!!

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    January 8, 2010 at 3:49 pm

  434. Nice colour combo CL

    tal

    January 8, 2010 at 3:49 pm

  435. Firefighters cut free man’s penis from steel pipe.

    A man who went to casualty with his penis stuck in a steel pipe had to be cut free by firefighters using a metal grinder.

    C.L.

    January 8, 2010 at 9:47 pm

  436. Sinc

    I sent you an email. Did you get it?

    Tks
    [Got the email and replied. Sinc]

    jc

    January 8, 2010 at 9:52 pm

  437. Lambert is back talking about war mortality.

    I’m not persuaded by their general criticisms of survey measurements of war mortality

    this has to be the most ironic post for all of 2010.

    jc

    January 8, 2010 at 11:37 pm

  438. He’s possibly the only one left still believing that 7.8 trillion iraqis died in the war. I think even Roberts has given up the ghost of pretense see he was caught out.

    Not to worry, he’ll be back at the Sydney Book festival plugging the Lancet this year.

    Good post Cl and well deserved.

    jc

    January 9, 2010 at 12:37 am


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