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Written by Sinclair Davidson

December 24, 2009 at 12:22 pm

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  1. Cellphone addict of the day and other tales of financial incompetence and clueless whining.

    C.L.

    December 24, 2009 at 3:10 pm

  2. merry xmas everyone. Even you Homer, you nimbus.

    jc

    December 24, 2009 at 3:19 pm

  3. C.L. – so you’re from Charleston?

    Ken Nielsen

    December 24, 2009 at 4:10 pm

  4. Hey, JQ has gone offline till the New Year.
    Do you think the world will cope?
    All sorts of things could go wrong.

    Ken Nielsen

    December 24, 2009 at 4:13 pm

  5. http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=28432735Who wouldn’t want one of these for Christmas?

    tal

    December 24, 2009 at 4:36 pm

  6. tal, I worry about you visiting sites like that.

    Ken Nielsen

    December 24, 2009 at 5:01 pm

  7. Sad isn’t it Ken

    tal

    December 24, 2009 at 5:11 pm

  8. Merry Christmas everyone. Off to dinner…

    Sinclair Davidson

    December 24, 2009 at 5:23 pm

  9. Merry Christmas all, God Bless

    tal

    December 24, 2009 at 8:01 pm

  10. Buon natale, tutti! Joyeux Noël!

    THR

    December 24, 2009 at 8:07 pm

  11. Happy Festivus to all.

    FDB

    December 24, 2009 at 8:13 pm

  12. Best of luck especially to anyone who’s doing it tough this year.

    I am, for the first time, and finally get what the fuss is about.

    >Stolen credit card, $3500 spending spree in early December = no money for presents. Investigation pending, so no refund.

    >Breakup of 9-year relationship. Prognosis: messy as fuck.

    >Family all interstate/overseas.

    >Slight headache, loss of appetite.

    FDB

    December 24, 2009 at 8:18 pm

  13. Sorry to hear it, FDB. Hope things pick up in the very near future.

    THR

    December 24, 2009 at 8:22 pm

  14. Merry Christmas, all. Are you enjoying the panettone yet THR? I must admit I’ve polished one off in the last week.

    Commiserations FDB.

    dover_beach

    December 24, 2009 at 8:59 pm

  15. The panettone will likely be there when I see my grandparents.

    I’m trying my hand at some dessert-making tonight. Chocolate tart and a cheesecake.

    THR

    December 24, 2009 at 9:11 pm

  16. Ken: que?

    Merry Christmas to all.

    (The scene at Tal’s, as we speak).

    FDB: next year is your year. Take it easy over the next few days and make it happen in 2010.

    C.L.

    December 24, 2009 at 10:09 pm

  17. FDB;

    So sorry to hear that dude. Let me know if you need a small loan to tide you over… get my email address through Jason if you need to.

    Shit like that just shouldn’t happen. Don’t give up on fighting the bank and hope the new year is great for you.

    (Don’t think I’m forgiving doofusness though).

    jc

    December 24, 2009 at 10:21 pm

  18. FDB all the best darl hope 2010 is better for you
    THR all the best for the little miss thr,you and her Mum on her 1st Christmas
    JC All the best to you and yours
    Dover, Merry Christmas sweetie
    Ken stay safe Merry Christmas
    Rog Merry Christmas X
    CL Nigella and I wish you a Very Merry Christmas :)(Lay off the Pandas I hate’s ’em,sorry Baby Jesus)
    BB&B Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
    Sinc hope you get a least one new tie this year 🙂
    Gotta go to Mass will say a pray for all at The Cat XXX

    tal

    December 25, 2009 at 12:14 am

  19. Oh shite:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5BO10B20091226?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F+US+%2F+Top+News%29

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. authorities believe an incident involving a small explosion aboard a Delta-Northwest Airlines flight to Detroit on Friday was an attempted act of terrorism, a White House official said.

    jc

    December 26, 2009 at 11:41 am

  20. Sinc….same same books CDs no ties.I did a get a one way ticket to Australia which I intend to use on Monday.What’s with the Atlas? Are you taking up weight training in the New Year?

    tal

    December 26, 2009 at 12:03 pm

  21. Freaking Lambert… he’s preventing me from looking at his site again.

    The idiot posted a Xmas thread about how his attempt at getting into the xmas spirit came crashing down. it was a series of pics of an ugly looking ginger bread house.

    Anyways he thought it was funny how it collapsed, so I left message there (trying to get into the Xmas spirit) by suggesting that the collapsed house was a sort of metaphor for his defense of Lancet.

    He really is a humorless little crud.

    jc

    December 26, 2009 at 12:09 pm

  22. JC, Lambert aside,did you have a good day yesterday?What ya get?

    tal

    December 26, 2009 at 12:12 pm

  23. Yea, it was a decent day, Tal, Thanks.

    I got the usual crappy presents… Shorts and t-shirts.. junk like that.

    However if I ever tried to give the same back I’d end up getting asked for a divorce. 🙂

    Food was great…lobby tail, prawns, ham, pork roast…

    I consumed possibly 1/2 pav and felt quite sick after it in addition to getting an ear full for being a gutz.

    jc

    December 26, 2009 at 12:19 pm

  24. Sounds like my house JC only I was the one nagging 🙂

    tal

    December 26, 2009 at 12:35 pm

  25. Rain, rain everywhere. Thanks, Senator Minchin!

    I think somebody in Vatican security may get his bottom kicked. Same woman who lunged at papa last year. There’s supposed to be some intell undergirding the muscle, folks.

    Prawns were delicious – I read yesterday they had a bumper harvest of the yummy little critters this year.

    Homer, how were the cucumber sandwiches?

    C.L.

    December 26, 2009 at 1:28 pm

  26. Charlie Sheen gets into the spirit of things on Christmas Day.

    C.L.

    December 26, 2009 at 1:32 pm

  27. Charlie Sheen is an absolute credit to the 9/11 truth movement.

    Infidel Tiger

    December 26, 2009 at 1:39 pm

  28. jc – regarding that attempted bombing, a whole bunch of things just happened at once. The Taliban released a hostage video of an American soldier captured in mid-year, a Nigerian “shin-bomber” tried to blow up that flight to Detroit, and there was a big air strike in Yemen which may have killed the head of al Qaeda there. The Nigerian guy reportedly says he got his training in Yemen. So we may have just witnessed an abortive Xmas offensive from al Qaeda, followed by a US counteroffensive in Yemen – only I’m not yet sure that the airstrike followed the attempted bombing.

    mitchell porter

    December 26, 2009 at 2:45 pm

  29. Bah. Humbug.

    BirdLab

    December 26, 2009 at 4:23 pm

  30. Hey BirdLab Merry Christmas did you have a good day?

    tal

    December 26, 2009 at 7:42 pm

  31. Who is Charlie Sheen?

    Ken Nielsen

    December 26, 2009 at 8:00 pm

  32. He’s Martin Sheen’s- the former president’s son.

    jc

    December 26, 2009 at 8:07 pm

  33. An actor who was great in Wall Street and Platoon, then developed a taste for the Bolivian marching powder and has been a space cadet ever since.

    C.L.

    December 26, 2009 at 8:11 pm

  34. He is a bit strange

    tal

    December 26, 2009 at 8:32 pm

  35. An amusing account on the current weather pattern in the US at the moment by Doc. Cane, a young climate scientist that actually puts his money where his mouth is and trades weather related stocks.

    We have a fibonnacci weather patttern according to the Doc. 🙂

    (Doc. Cane has in Doc. hurricane…. get it?)

    61.2% of the continental US is covered in snow which he argues ought to be causing serious head scrataching by climate scientists.

    Some US regions/states are experiencing F 20 degs below zero which is really freaking cold enough to rip a young man’s balls off.

    http://www.ibankcoin.com/peanut_gallery/index.php/2009/12/24/a-merry-white-christmas-to-61-2/

    jc

    December 27, 2009 at 4:11 am

  36. Another upper/ middle class Muslim kid goes postal. this time the father really did the right thing and in their usual way government screw it up.
    Airline suspect is Nigeria banker’s son

    LAGOS (Reuters) – A Nigerian who has been detained in Detroit after trying to ignite an explosive device on a U.S. passenger plane is the son of a prominent former banker, a family member told Reuters on Saturday.

    The 23-year old man, believed to be linked to al Qaeda militants, is in custody in the United States after being overpowered by passengers and crew as the Christmas Day flight approached Detroit from Amsterdam.

    “It is my brother,” Abdul Mutallab, son of Umaru Mutallab, a prominent banker from the northern state of Katsina, told Reuters by telephone.

    Nigeria’s This Day newspaper cited family members as saying Umaru Mutallab had been uncomfortable with his son’s “extreme religious views” and had reported him to the U.S. Embassy in the capital Abuja and to Nigerian security agencies six months ago.

    The This Day report said Umaru Mutallab would meet Nigerian security agencies later on Saturday.

    “He is in a meeting right now but I don’t think he is meeting with the police yet,” Abdul Mutallab told Reuters, but declined to comment further.

    jc

    December 27, 2009 at 4:34 am

  37. Ah, OK. I thought he was that bloke in West Wing but he looked too young.

    Ken Nielsen

    December 27, 2009 at 5:49 am

  38. It’s what he wanted: Rudd’s culture of drunken sailorism.

    C.L.

    December 27, 2009 at 6:55 pm

  39. Don’t give me bad news CL,I’m due to come go home tomprrow

    tal

    December 27, 2009 at 7:01 pm

  40. Where’s home tal?

    Ken Nielsen

    December 27, 2009 at 7:02 pm

  41. Ken my husband and I are moving back to Australia after a long stint in Asia,bitter sweet.
    How was your Christmas?

    tal

    December 27, 2009 at 7:05 pm

  42. Not real bad, tal, with daughter and her female partner and two kids. Great fun.
    Where in Asia?
    If you prefer kwn@killcare.com

    Ken Nielsen

    December 27, 2009 at 7:10 pm

  43. Nah it’s OK,Singapore Ken.I’m looking forward to going home but I will really miss the food here big time

    tal

    December 27, 2009 at 7:13 pm

  44. Yeah, I used to go to Singapore every month or so.
    I was sorry there were only 3 meals a day.
    Where are you coming back to?

    Ken Nielsen

    December 27, 2009 at 7:15 pm

  45. Head Office is in Melbourne so…but who knows Ken,my Husband’s line of work is oil and gas(keep that to yourself :))it involves a lot of travel,you don’t really need to be in the office these days(old lady alert)so we could end up living anywhere

    tal

    December 27, 2009 at 7:20 pm

  46. Uh hah, I know about that – stay in touch.

    Ken Nielsen

    December 27, 2009 at 7:29 pm

  47. Will do. You have a good New Year Ken,take it easy

    tal

    December 27, 2009 at 7:30 pm

  48. Tks, doing well so far

    Ken Nielsen

    December 27, 2009 at 7:32 pm

  49. JC refers to fibonacci for weather reports – why not just use astrology?

    Libra: “Family issues will result in a cold front crossing the bedroom area with some frost patches”

    rog

    December 27, 2009 at 7:37 pm

  50. Rog, you moron, the dude is joking about fib numbers. The dude is trying to be ironic as some traders use fib numbers for trading purposes.

    You are even stupider than Homer on his bad days.

    jc

    December 27, 2009 at 7:46 pm

  51. Apart from his amusing association of the snow storm and FIb numbers the real point of the piece was that there’s an one inch snow cover over a good part of the US continent . As he rightly points out this ought to cause a little head scratching in the climate science community.

    jc

    December 27, 2009 at 7:53 pm

  52. The mixing of state and religion that has become a hallmark of the Rudd years – the likes of which hasn’t been seen since Sir Joh Bjelke-Petersen – continues apace. Cardinal Pell blesses a new vessel called “Mary Mackillop.” Why is Premier Keneally there? And why does “the government” have to “work” with the Church in relation to our first canonised saint?

    Ms Keneally said she was looking forward to “coming back to rename this ferry, the Saint Mary MacKillop”.

    The government would work with the church and the community to hold future Mary MacKillop celebrations throughout Sydney and NSW.

    While all Sydney ferries were safe, “after today’s blessing, this is perhaps the holiest”, she added.

    C.L.

    December 27, 2009 at 10:10 pm

  53. JC tries to cover his mistakes by using the word “irony”

    JC wouldn’t know irony if it bit him on the leg.

    rog

    December 28, 2009 at 8:04 am

  54. So why is Pell blessing an item of public transport?

    Pell should remain behind his pulpit, pounding

    rog

    December 28, 2009 at 8:06 am

  55. Rog,
    Catholics believe they can bless inanimate objects.

    In the marriage ceremony they bless the rings!

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 28, 2009 at 10:18 am

  56. Rog says:
    JC tries to cover his mistakes by using the word “irony”

    JC wouldn’t know irony if it bit him on the leg.

    Rog, ummm he was being ironic. However you wouldn’t see that seeing you have a lower IQ than Homer (but with much more venom).

    Is that all you two nubtalls are left with. Lying and posting stupid comments on the web.

    jc

    December 28, 2009 at 10:50 am

  57. charming

    Homer who thinks that Fred Hollows went to hell is now ridiculing Catholic marriage ceremonies

    jtfsoon

    December 28, 2009 at 11:30 am

  58. He’s a real charmer, isn’t he?

    Recall a religious “debate” with the Eastwooder some time ago? When you really got down to it Homer was basically telling us he was the only going to heaven. We were all heading for hell and damnation according to him.

    Unfortunately for him- fortunate for the rest of us- there’s a special place booked for him in the deepest part of hell where all the liars and dissemblers are dumped.

    jc

    December 28, 2009 at 11:36 am

  59. Statman,

    Fred Hollows did not believe in Jesus at all.
    ergo there is no-one to take his punishment but Fred.
    Yes it s very silly to bless inanimate objects

    Forrest of course is lying again. i have never said that but he cannot help himself

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 28, 2009 at 11:43 am

  60. Homer:
    I’m not lying… You are.

    It was in one of your stupids trances when you told us that you were the only only amongst us that could enter heaven…

    The thought alone turned me to satin worship as the idea there is a God that would allow you to enter the pearly gates forcing everyone to spend an eternity with you is about as motivating as being in a car accident with a train.

    jc

    December 28, 2009 at 11:49 am

  61. Catholic-hating Rog quotes the church lovingly on the environment but switches to hatred when it comes to Cardinal Pell. You really are dumb, Rog.

    Catholics believe they can bless inanimate objects.

    No, they believe anything and everything can be made holy in life (for the spiritual benefit of people) ut in omnibus glorificetur Deo – that God may be glorified in all things. Cardinal Pell’s words were: “Whether they travel on this ferry for business or pleasure, may her passengers find Christ the companion they travel with.” Protestant Homer (who used to quote the Bible before he threw his support behind abortion fanatic Barack Obama) seems to have forgotten certain loaves and fishes – I guess Our Lord was wrong to bless those inamimate objects. The centuries-old blessing of vessels derives from the Book of Psalms. Here are Anglicans blessing the fleet; here is Pastor Suellen Bahleda of the Resurrection Lutheran Church blessing the U.S. Coast Guard cutter Liberty; here’s Pastor John Gilmore of Copeland Baptist Church blessing the stone crab fleet in the Florida everglades.

    There could be nothing more Christian – as Homer would know if he was familiar with the Bible and any history extending beyond the invention of protestantism.

    C.L.

    December 28, 2009 at 12:05 pm

  62. Yeah, Homer believes Fred Hollows – a man who gave his life to the service of the poor and the blind – was condemned to hell (with Hitler) by an angry God.

    C.L.

    December 28, 2009 at 12:15 pm

  63. Forrest you lie all the time.
    I have never said anything that even sounds like that.

    CL, Fred quite openly said he did no believe in Jesus.
    If a person does that then pray tell us how does he get to heaven.
    you are conflating Islam with Christianity again.

    as for Luke the word blessed doesn’t mean he somehow imparted a blessing to these physical objects. Such an idea is found NOWHERE in Scripture. The meaning is that Jesus said a prayer of thanksgiving that started with blessed. This is consistent with the other gospels.

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 28, 2009 at 12:26 pm

  64. …as for Luke the word blessed doesn’t mean he somehow imparted a blessing to these physical objects. Such an idea is found NOWHERE in Scripture.

    Scripture:

    Then he took the five loaves and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed them, and brake, and gave to the disciples to set before the multitude.

    Our Lord was wrong to bless these inanimate objects, according to Homer.

    Here is a traditional blessing of a vessel:

    Most gracious Lord, who numbered among your apostles the fishermen Peter, Andrew, James and John, we pray you to consecrate this boat to righteous work in your name. Guide the captain at her helm. So prosper her voyages that an honest living may be made. Watch over her passengers and crew and bring them to a safe return. And the blessing of God Almighty, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, be upon this vessel and all who come aboard, this day and forever. Amen.

    There could be nothing more Christian.

    C.L.

    December 28, 2009 at 12:39 pm

  65. C.L.

    December 28, 2009 at 12:43 pm

  66. so, Homer, you’re asking the resident Catholic to justify his religion on the basis of whether you think it sounds fair?
    Does any religion sound fair to you?
    Do you harrass people of other religions about the tenets of their faith?
    I Think the reason you are bothering is that you ditlike CL’s political and social views.

    daddy dave

    December 28, 2009 at 12:43 pm

  67. LOL!

    Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano on the attempt to blow up the Amsterdam-Detroit flight this week: “The system worked.”

    Asked by CNN’s Candy Crowley on “State of the Union” how that could be possible when the young Nigerian who sought to set off the bomb was able to smuggle explosive liquid onto the flight, Napolitano responded: “We’re asking the same questions.”

    Ed Morrisey:

    I suppose one can make that argument — if one assumes that the system includes allowing a man included on a watch list onto an airplane, allowing his visa to remain in force even after his own father informs the US that he’s become a radical jihadi, assuming that any explosive said terrorist will smuggle onto the plane will fizzle out, and that only quick thinking by the other passengers on the plane kept the jihadi from trying it again while he barbecued his crotch.

    Is that the actual system we put in place after 9/11? Because if it is, a lot of heads need to roll, starting with the woman who believes that this near-miss represents a validation of the system.

    C.L.

    December 28, 2009 at 12:49 pm

  68. CL,
    I have already shown you have misunderstood the bible, not for the first time.
    Jesus thanked God for the meal, notice what Mathew and Mark say by any chance?

    One doesn’t bless inanimate objects. there is no scriptural backing for this nonsense.

    Daddy Dave,

    All i have said is that it is silly to bless inanimate objects because there is no biblical basis for it.

    you might note I have also asked on what biblical grounds Fred Hollows is in heaven but no answer

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 28, 2009 at 1:02 pm

  69. you might note I have also asked on what biblical grounds Fred Hollows is in heaven but no answer
    .
    um, that’s exactly what I did note. your implied point is that Christianity does not appeal to your sense of fairness because a person (Fred Hollows) was not rewarded for good deeds. But like I said, this isn’t really about Christianity, is it?

    daddy dave

    December 28, 2009 at 1:18 pm

  70. You haven’t “shown” anything, Homer. I’ve shown that you’re wrong – probably for the 800th time. Moreover, a person who declares that Fred Hollows deserves eternal damnation demonstrates his complete unfamiliarity with the Gospels.

    C.L.

    December 28, 2009 at 1:22 pm

  71. err no CL is saying Fred is not being rewarded for his good deeds.

    I am asking for biblical support for such a belief as it is not a christian belief but an islamic belief.

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 28, 2009 at 1:23 pm

  72. Riiiight. It’s an Islamic belief that a man who devoted his life to the poor and the blind was sent to hell with Hitler. Of course! Why it’s just so obvious when you propound your theology so convincingly. You also believe all the Jews are going to hell too, don’t you Homer?

    C.L.

    December 28, 2009 at 1:28 pm

  73. I have to say my understanding of Christianity on this point is the same as Homer’s. Non-believers don’t go to heaven. Unlike other religions where the righeous of other faiths do get redemption or whatever happens after death.

    Sinclair Davidson

    December 28, 2009 at 1:34 pm

  74. Of fer goodness sakes, dont start CL on another of his pet foibles – Islam

    rog

    December 28, 2009 at 1:49 pm

  75. Something to aspire too. Fantastic effort.

    Sinclair Davidson

    December 28, 2009 at 1:54 pm

  76. No CL you haven’t shown how Fred is in heaven at all.

    He said he did not believe in Jesus at all.

    If we assume Fed was being honest then how does he get to heaven except through your quaint islamic way?

    By the way we all DESERVE eternal damnation

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 28, 2009 at 1:59 pm

  77. CL,, just point in the bible how they get there?

    It is pretty easy.

    What you are saying is that Jesus didn’t need to come here at all.

    This is a very human belief but has nothing to do with Christianity

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 28, 2009 at 2:01 pm

  78. I rarely write about Islam, Rog. It’s a subject of little interest to me. So you’re lying again. But why don’t you tell us more about how windmills have now obviated nuclear power stations? Or perhaps how Malcolm Turnbull was destined for The Lodge? Or perhaps how Rudd’s ETS was going to influence the whole world at Copenhagen? Or maybe how there was going to be a double dissolution a few weeks ago? Tell us more about your theories, Rog. They’re very entertaining.

    No CL you haven’t shown how Fred is in heaven at all.

    LOL. No Homer, I can’t “show” that. What I can show is that Hollows was a good man who did far more good for others than you (or I) have, for example. We don’t make judgements about who is and who isn’t favoured by God after death. We simply don’t know. We do know from Scripture that God rewards the workers of his vineyard as He – and He alone – sees fit. We also know that “a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone” (James 2:24).

    By the way we all DESERVE eternal damnation.

    Do we, Homer? What a joyous little cult you belong to. Of course Our Lord ‘needed to come’ but who His sacrificial act benefits is a matter for God to decide. It’s His vineyard, not yours. What a lousy faith you have that leads you to condemn a man to hell – like a Pharisee – while closing your mind to God’s power to restore sight to the blind (a gift, conceivably, that Hollows earned) whenever and however He pleases.

    But all of this is, of course, a distraction from the original point: to wit, that we now have a prime minister who uses Christianity as a public relations platform in a way none of his predecessors ever have.

    C.L.

    December 28, 2009 at 2:48 pm

  79. Sinc:

    Homer was quite specific… he basically informed us that he was the only one able to enter the pearly gates. According to him it would also exclude other Christians that don’t share the Skank’s weird belief system.

    I’ve come round to thinking that Homer’s idea of heaven is where everyone wears brown shorts and long socks. It’s a sort of “heaven” for facist types.

    JC

    December 28, 2009 at 2:56 pm

  80. yes Forrest another of your lies you are known for.

    I haven’t said that and I wouldn’t. It is bad theology.

    Actually CL it is very easy. If Fed had said instead I believe in Jesus and he took the punishment I deserve or words to that effect then it would be bingo.

    God doesn’t reward anyone at all. That is Islamic thinking.

    We are all sinners who deserve what?

    Actually James is talking about a faith leading to works. Paul actually talks about that as well.
    Think about the thief next to Jesus on the cross. No acts but he met Jesus in paradise.
    How?

    Tell us again. Everyone is a sinner yet only few are forgiven.

    How and why are they forgiven?

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 28, 2009 at 3:02 pm

  81. Homes,
    You did suggest that more or less. You susggested that unless people understand the bible the way you do they have buckely’s chance of entering the big gates in the sky.

    You whacko. Don’t you realize that everyone would be clamouring to get into hell if you ever got into heaven?

    Homes, what’s you “position” on creationism. Are you a younger or old earther?

    JC

    December 28, 2009 at 3:07 pm

  82. typical of you now you are running away from what you said.
    I will simply put it down to again talking about a subject you have no knowledge of.

    Creationism has no biblical foundation so I reject it.

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 28, 2009 at 3:10 pm

  83. But you agree with what the old bible says about it, right?

    You do think there was an Eden and that “Ads” and even were thrown out. You believe the earth was created in 7 days….

    You have told us time and time again that you take what the bible says as ‘gospel”, so you can’t walk away from this, Homes as that’s what the bible says.

    JC

    December 28, 2009 at 3:14 pm

  84. oops “Ads and Eve were….

    JC

    December 28, 2009 at 3:15 pm

  85. Morgan Stanley think Zero is going to get into trouble.

    Some americans have taken to referring to Obama (“the O”) as zero.

    Morgan Stanley: Interest Rates Set To Soar 40% As Bond Vigilantes Make Geithner And Obama Pay For Their Mess

    Get ready for a wild ride on the long end of the curve, as the bond vigilantes go to work making Barack Obama and Tim Geithner pay for the bailout..

    Bloomberg: Yields on benchmark 10-year notes will climb about 40 percent to 5.5 percent, the biggest annual increase since 1999, according to David Greenlaw, chief fixed-income economist at Morgan Stanley in New York. The surge will push interest rates on 30-year fixed mortgages to 7.5 percent to 8 percent, almost the highest in a decade, Greenlaw said.

    Investors are demanding higher returns on government debt, boosting rates this month by the most since January, on concern President Barack Obama’s attempt to revive economic growth with record spending will keep the deficit at $1 trillion. Rising borrowing costs risk jeopardizing a recovery from a plunge in the residential mortgage market that led to the worst global recession in six decades.

    “When you take these kinds of aggressive policy actions to prevent a depression, you have to clean up after yourself,” Greenlaw said in a telephone interview. “Market signals will ultimately spur some policy action but I’m not naive enough to think it will be a very pleasant environment.”

    http://www.businessinsider.com/morgan-stanley-interest-rates-set-to-soar-40-as-bond-vigilantes-make-geithner-and-obama-pay-for-their-mess-2009-12?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+clusterstock+%28ClusterStock%29

    JC

    December 28, 2009 at 3:20 pm

  86. of course there was an Eden and yes they were thrown out.
    As for days we do not know how long they were.

    Even Peter says one day can be a 1000 years

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 28, 2009 at 3:24 pm

  87. If Fed had said instead I believe in Jesus and he took the punishment I deserve or words to that effect then it would be bingo.

    Really! Just say a few words and – BINGO! This is a fascinating theology, Homer. Truly fascinating. Complete horseshit but it is fascinating! Not only fscinating but directly contradictory of Matthew 7:21:

    “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.”

    I suggest you read the Bible, Homer – a book with which you’re not in the least bit familiar.

    C.L.

    December 28, 2009 at 3:32 pm

  88. Homes is now toozing the bible? LOL

    jc

    December 28, 2009 at 3:48 pm

  89. Janet Napolitano and the Obama “administration”:

    Complete and Total Beclownment.

    Investigators believe Abdulmutallab was connected to al Qaeda by the same radical imam, American-born Anwar Awlaki, who is linked to the American Army major accused of opening fire at Fort Hood in November.

    Oops.

    Napolitano on her epic fail: “Everything worked according to clockwork.”

    Jake Tapper: Napolitano: System Like ‘Clockwork ‘ After Attack, Not So Sure About Before.

    C.L.

    December 28, 2009 at 3:51 pm

  90. Why has this piece of trash been released at all?

    C.L.

    December 28, 2009 at 4:06 pm

  91. CL you are saying people with works can get into Heaven.
    I am asking what works did the thief on the cross have as Jesus said to him he would meet him in Paradise.

    Your quote is about who say they believe but who actually do not. It isn’t even relevant to this discussion.

    As I said If we believe Feed he said he did not believe in Jesus.
    If so how did he get into Heaven.

    To receive forgiveness we first must repent.
    Fred saw no reason to.
    Tell us how he gets into Heaven?

    It is an easy question

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 28, 2009 at 4:06 pm

  92. I’m not really saying anything about who is and who isn’t in heaven, Homer. Only God is in charge of that. Your belief that you know who has been saved and who hasn’t is un-Christian, un-biblical and disgraceful. What we do know from Scripture, however, is that faith without works is dead and that our deeds will be taken into account by God.

    You ought to read the Bible. You might learn something.

    C.L.

    December 28, 2009 at 4:09 pm

  93. Yes only God can read what is in our hearts however when someone says upfront they do not believe in Jesus Christ then the bible is pretty explicit about that.
    Actually Jesus is very explicit about that.

    Your strange concoction of Islam and Christianity has no biblical basis for it as I have shown.
    I have read the the bible that is why it is easy to show up your lack of understanding.

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 28, 2009 at 4:14 pm

  94. My Christianity has no resemblance to Islam, Homer. But the un-Christian certainty with which you consign people to hell – to say nothing of your generic anti-semtism – reminds me of the Ayatollah Khomeini.

    For he will repay according to each one’s deeds. To those who by patiently doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; for it is not those who hear the law who are just in the sight of God; rather, those who observe the law will be justified.

    – Romans

    Trying reading the Bible some time – it is one of the great gifts the Catholic Church has given to the world.

    C.L.

    December 28, 2009 at 4:24 pm

  95. Just to get things in perspective the US has $1 trillion of government debt to roll-over in 2010.

    One trillion looks like this … $1,000,000,000,000 which is a little under $3 billion per day.

    Bond prices are going to tank this year.

    The other problem is that the Fed has basically telegraphed that it is removing part of the monetary stimulus next year which means they are unlikely to be printing any more money.

    Peggy thinks Zero economics is the way forward.

    jc

    December 28, 2009 at 4:30 pm

  96. I have read the the bible that is why it is easy to show up your lack of understanding.

    As I said. homer is now toozing the bible.

    jc

    December 28, 2009 at 4:32 pm

  97. actually God gave it to the world .

    You are the person who believes works will achieve an entrance into paradise. That is an islamic belief.

    In Christianity a person repents and seeks forgiveness and gains it as happened to the thief on the cross.

    I am astounded you would have the hide to quote Roman 2-6/8.

    An examination of verse 9 would show what is being referred to is certainly not salvation by works but God’s impartiality between Jew and Greek.

    you need to understand it before you write about it.

    That is three times you have been badly wrong on what is written

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 28, 2009 at 4:42 pm

  98. You are the person who believes works will achieve an entrance into paradise.

    No, I believe such a person may be saved – if God so wills it. Our Lord is compassionate and reads the hearts of men. We don’t know what He decides or how. Well, most of us don’t. Homer believes he knows who is in heaven and who isn’t. According to our resident theologian, Fred Hollows is in hell with Hitler and Vlad the Impaler.

    What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to him, “Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

    – James, 2

    In other words, writing essays about Dietrich Bonhoeffer and giving press conferences outside church every Sunday will not impress God more than, say, committing oneself to the poor and the blind of Africa.

    You need to rake up the Bible and read, Homer. It’s a book with which you have no familiarity whatsoever.

    C.L.

    December 28, 2009 at 4:52 pm

  99. CL,

    Jesus said people can only get to Heaven through HIM.

    How can a person who did not recognise him get to heaven?

    Under your unique ‘understanding’ an atheist who performs good deeds can get into heaven.

    you need to remember.We are ALL sinners. Everyone.
    to get to Heaven one needs to be forgiven.
    If a person denies Jesus how have they repented and then how can they be forgiven?

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 28, 2009 at 4:58 pm

  100. Good grief – this is a replay of the Reformation.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justification_(theology)

    You can’t say the really big issues don’t get discussed here.

    Ken Nielsen

    December 28, 2009 at 5:04 pm

  101. Jesus said people can only get to Heaven through HIM.

    Right.

    How can a person who did not recognise him get to heaven?

    How do we recognise Jesus, Homer? Mmm?

    He will set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will tell those on his right hand, ‘Come, blessed of my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry, and you gave me food to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me drink. I was a stranger, and you took me in. I was naked, and you clothed me. I was sick, and you visited me. I was in prison, and you came to me.’

    “Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry, and feed you; or thirsty, and give you a drink? When did we see you as a stranger, and take you in; or naked, and clothe you? When did we see you sick, or in prison, and come to you?’

    “The King will answer them, ‘Most certainly I tell you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’ Then he will say also to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry, and you didn’t give me food to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink; I was a stranger, and you didn’t take me in; naked, and you didn’t clothe me; sick, and in prison, and you didn’t visit me.’

    “Then they will also answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and didn’t help you?’
    “Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Most certainly I tell you, inasmuch as you didn’t do it to one of the least of these, you didn’t do it to me.’ These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

    Yeah Ken, this debate began about three years ago when Homer claimed Fred Hollows – an alleged atheist (who was given a Catholic funeral) – was in hell with Hitler and Jack the Ripper.

    C.L.

    December 28, 2009 at 5:28 pm

  102. Democrats to White House: forget about cap and trade.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30984.html

    Turns out that ETS thing was of no importance whatsoever in the wider scheme of things.

    None.

    C.L.

    December 28, 2009 at 5:45 pm

  103. CL,

    this isn’t even related to the topic.

    If we are to believe Fred He didn’t believe in Jesus.
    Ergo he was not a believer.

    how can a person who does not believe in Jesus get to Heaven.

    You refuse to answer the question

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 28, 2009 at 5:47 pm

  104. “how can a person who does not believe in Jesus get to Heaven.”

    The gift of salvation, even by your own reckoning, Homer, is an act of grace by God. It is, in other words, available to those who both merit it or do not merit it, if God wills it. And as CL has said, whether or not Fred is saved is up to God alone. You do not man the gate, whatever you might think.

    dover_beach

    December 28, 2009 at 6:14 pm

  105. I think d-b meant “woman” the gate> Or even “person” if he were to be really evolved.

    Cyd

    December 28, 2009 at 6:16 pm

  106. You do not man the gate, whatever you might think.

    Imagine.

    jc

    December 28, 2009 at 6:17 pm

  107. Cydney, you’re an argument for the opposite… as in devolved.

    jc

    December 28, 2009 at 6:18 pm

  108. d-b shows his fascistic tendencies by his last comment.

    Cyd

    December 28, 2009 at 6:19 pm

  109. Devolution is good. It’s – gasp – libertarian even.

    Cyd

    December 28, 2009 at 6:20 pm

  110. I’ve answered it several times, Homer. You’ve made a fool of yourself on this subject and you’re just filibustering for pride’s sake – as usual. I don’t presume to judge God for how he may or may not allot mercy and forgiveness. You’re one of the grumblers in Matthew 20:1–15.

    C.L.

    December 28, 2009 at 6:20 pm

  111. Season’s greetings, Phil, ‘Cyd.’

    C.L.

    December 28, 2009 at 6:22 pm

  112. “d-b shows his fascistic tendencies by his last comment.”

    Only in your fetid imagination.

    dover_beach

    December 28, 2009 at 6:26 pm

  113. Could be a decent night to buy US airline stocks this fine evening if there’s a 15 to 20% downdraft as a result of the attempted attack.

    jc

    December 28, 2009 at 8:57 pm

  114. Lefties… What can one say….

    The Daily Kos’s “Late Afternoon/Early Evening Open Thread,” for example, featured this posting at 8:10 PM Eastern Time: “Having just about enough of this male dominance bull—t, one bold Italian woman ran up and knocked down the Pope and a Cardinal!”

    The woman, Susanna Maiolo, 25, was actually Swiss-Italian, and while the Pontiff himself came out of the episode unhurt and able to complete his celebration of Midnight Mass, 87-year-old French Cardinal Roger Etchegaray was left with broken bones requiring hip replacement surgery.

    While several people pointed out the Pope’s age and how this could have easily resulted in a broken hip, many more rejoiced in the event.” One blogger’s “attack on Catholicism and Catholics was met with near universal approval within the HuffingtonPost community.”

    She added, “I have read numerous, nearly identical comments and posts at Daily Kos.”

    Still another HuffPost participant called it “A symbolic act – a thank you for all the Pope has done for womankind through the years…” Another blogger concluded, “That’s what happens when religion subjugates women and their bodies.”

    Other Huffington Posters used the attack to make pronouncements about geopolitics and economics. “A wobbly old man with more gold than God, in the midst of abject poverty, deserves a shove or two,” wrote one. “After all, he owes most of it to South America and Africa. Perhaps he believes that he can buy his way into heaven, or at least stay out of that other place.”

    Bloggers also suggested the Bavarian Pope was a Nazi: “Ratzy should have used his old SS buddies as security consultants,” quipped one.

    “They think the woman was mentally unstable for knocking down the pope?” asked another. “After centuries of the Catholic Church minimizing the rights of women, can you blame her? She’s fighting back for a change.”

    jc

    December 28, 2009 at 9:07 pm

  115. it really isn’t over till the fat lady sings. My bet with no money down is that Uncle A get knuckled in 2010 and Iran dispenses with the regime.

    jc

    December 28, 2009 at 9:25 pm

  116. Don’t forget the Shitto for your next holiday meal.

    20 Of The Worst Named Products Ever.

    C.L.

    December 28, 2009 at 10:02 pm

  117. Yep, people really seemed concerned with AGW after Copey. LOL

    Ford Surges on Plan for Mightier Mustang

    DEARBORN, Mich. (TheStreet) — Ford (F Quote) surged after the automaker announced it would put more power back into its iconic Mustang sports car next with an all-new 5.0-liter V-8 engine.

    Shares of Ford jumped more than 1% to $10.26 in recent trading, continuing its gains for 2009 after hitting a 52-week high last week.

    Ford announced today that it will bring back the Mustang GT 5.0 with new engine technology offering both 412 horsepower and projected highway mileage of 25 mpg.

    The Mustang hype helped Ford become one of the five most-active stocks on the NYSE.

    jc

    December 29, 2009 at 12:13 pm

  118. C.L.

    December 29, 2009 at 12:18 pm

  119. Obama “administration” takes action after all on that Black Panther voter intimidation case.

    It has sacked the Justice Department official who initiated the charges.

    C.L.

    December 29, 2009 at 12:22 pm

  120. Global warming in India:

    “It could turn out to be the coldest Calcutta winter ever.”

    C.L.

    December 29, 2009 at 12:26 pm

  121. Irrespective of AGW, I read an interesting claim made by a decent scientist that he expects 50 years of serious cooling as a result of lower sun spot activity and solar cycles.

    jc

    December 29, 2009 at 12:31 pm

  122. Lower than what?

    rog

    December 29, 2009 at 12:43 pm

  123. Perhaps even lower than your present credit rating, rog.

    jc

    December 29, 2009 at 12:46 pm

  124. Read the newspaper article in the link Rog I reckon it’s fairly amusing that CL is using it as ammunition in his war against AGW.

    sdfc

    December 29, 2009 at 3:29 pm

  125. I’ve been racking my brains, trying to be fair, and I did think of someone who even fits your criteria, FDB, and yes whom I do find full of a charming seductive wildly original humour that’s often irresistible despite certain obvious, ahem, untoward characteristics:

    Ladies & gents, girls’n’boys, for your delicious reading pleasure and laugh-out-loud guffaws, I give you: Mr Graeme M. Bird.

    pegasus

    December 29, 2009 at 3:31 pm

  126. BirdLab

    December 29, 2009 at 3:42 pm

  127. TMZ majorly screws up: Falls For JFK Photo Hoax.

    C.L.

    December 29, 2009 at 3:57 pm

  128. “…war against AGW”?

    That’s like declaring war on the Easter Bunny.

    C.L.

    December 29, 2009 at 3:59 pm

  129. Thanks for alerting me, birdlab. It’s like he’s now stalking me.

    jc

    December 29, 2009 at 4:18 pm

  130. Peggy/Phil:

    Bird is not funny. He’s an abusive fathead with little to add to any discussion especially about science, economics, politics, social issues.

    Nothing. I really don’t think he couldn’t even prepare a basic manual on how to stack super market shelves.

    jc

    December 29, 2009 at 4:21 pm

  131. Now that is funny sdfc, CL argues against himself and loses

    But lets face it, he didnt have much of an opponent.

    rog

    December 29, 2009 at 4:38 pm

  132. JC, FYI I believe I may have found Gympie’s counterpart to the feathered fool:

    http://www.ronowengympie.com/

    BirdLab

    December 29, 2009 at 4:43 pm

  133. oh my god, Birdlab… Bird has clones all over the country. Could this be some sort of Chicom/NZ attempt to take over and carve out the country?

    [Not to worry JC, even by our own lax standards that comment was always going to get deleted. Sinc]

    JC.

    December 29, 2009 at 4:47 pm

  134. LOL

    Free speech practitioner and all out self elected Libertarian warrior JC calls for someone to moderate his comments.

    Back to the ironing..

    rog

    December 29, 2009 at 4:52 pm

  135. Rog’s argumentative forays lately have included the claim that Malcolm Turnbull was destined for The Lodge, the ETS would influence the world in Copenhagen, windmills have obviated nucelar power stations and a double dissolution was imminent.

    Here is the entire story regarding how global warming is affecting Calcutta.

    Calcutta is galloping towards the 10-degree mark with the Celsius on Sunday dipping to a decade’s December low of 11.4 degrees.

    The minimum temperature touching three degrees below normal, the weatherman was eyeing the coveted cold reading “within 48 hours”.

    An official of the India Meteorological Department (IMD) in Delhi said: “It looked a little uncertain on Saturday, but Sunday’s further fall seems to have sealed the deal, with the minimum temperature likely to be around 10 degrees Celsius by Wednesday. It could turn out to be the coldest Calcutta winter ever.”

    The minimum temperature at the airport on Sunday was 10.2 degrees Celsius, two degrees below normal.

    February 3, 2008 was the last time the mercury had dipped below 11, at 10.8 degrees Celsius. Calcutta is generally cooler in January and early February than in December. The lows this month could herald a record-breaking January-February, feels the weatherman.

    The city has already had its coldest Christmas this decade and the coldest December 31 of the Noughties looks a certainty. “The coldest New Year’s Eve this decade was in 2007, at 11.4 degrees Celsius. The city has already reached that mark with four days to go,” said the IMD official.

    This cold spell should be the last of the numerous weather anomalies that have characterised Calcutta’s weather in 2009. “The city has seen a premature monsoon dragged in by Cyclone Aila, heat waves in April, May and June, record-shattering warm phases in August and November, an early winter and a warm spell in mid December,” said a senior scientist from the Noida-based National Centre for Medium Range Weather Forecasting. “This unusually chilly phase (since December 22) must be the first weather anomaly that is being greeted by smiles in Calcutta.”

    The swift and steady drop in temperature has been powered by the dip in humidity levels and the unhindered passage of the northwesterlies and the western disturbances.

    Global warming: giving Calcutta record-breaking cold weather.

    C.L.

    December 29, 2009 at 4:53 pm

  136. Rog’s argumentative forays lately have included the claim that Malcolm Turnbull was destined for The Lodge, the ETS would influence the world in Copenhagen, windmills have obviated nucelar power stations and a double dissolution was imminent.

    Here is the entire story regarding how global warming is affecting Calcutta.

    Calcutta is galloping towards the 10-degree mark with the Celsius on Sunday dipping to a decade’s December low of 11.4 degrees.

    The minimum temperature touching three degrees below normal, the weatherman was eyeing the coveted cold reading “within 48 hours”.

    An official of the India Meteorological Department (IMD) in Delhi said: “It looked a little uncertain on Saturday, but Sunday’s further fall seems to have sealed the deal, with the minimum temperature likely to be around 10 degrees Celsius by Wednesday. It could turn out to be the coldest Calcutta winter ever.”

    The minimum temperature at the airport on Sunday was 10.2 degrees Celsius, two degrees below normal.

    February 3, 2008 was the last time the mercury had dipped below 11, at 10.8 degrees Celsius. Calcutta is generally cooler in January and early February than in December. The lows this month could herald a record-breaking January-February, feels the weatherman.

    The city has already had its coldest Christmas this decade and the coldest December 31 of the Noughties looks a certainty. “The coldest New Year’s Eve this decade was in 2007, at 11.4 degrees Celsius. The city has already reached that mark with four days to go,” said the IMD official.

    This cold spell should be the last of the numerous weather anomalies that have characterised Calcutta’s weather in 2009. “The city has seen a premature monsoon dragged in by Cyclone Aila, heat waves in April, May and June, record-shattering warm phases in August and November, an early winter and a warm spell in mid December,” said a senior scientist from the Noida-based National Centre for Medium Range Weather Forecasting. “This unusually chilly phase (since December 22) must be the first weather anomaly that is being greeted by smiles in Calcutta.”

    The swift and steady drop in temperature has been powered by the dip in humidity levels and the unhindered passage of the northwesterlies and the western disturbances.

    Global warming: giving Calcutta record-breaking cold weather.

    C.L.

    December 29, 2009 at 4:53 pm

  137. Rog:

    You really below par on the IQ side of things, aren’t you?

    I am asking the moderator to leave out a previous comment (that is currently in moderation) as I didn’t change the “Name” after visiting Birdie’s site and was carrying the same one here in error. The comment is exactly like the one I left under Jc.

    You really are on full-on retarded mode.

    JC

    December 29, 2009 at 5:00 pm

  138. “I never liked Parliament,” says Bob Hawke.

    Good stuff from the crass little man, though, on leftist icon and global warming nutcase, Clive Hamilton:

    Later, Mr Hawke fired up when fellow interview guest and public intellectual Clive Hamilton attacked the Hawke-Keating government’s economic reforms along with society’s obsession with growth and wealth generation.

    The former prime minister dismissed the criticisms as “crap”.

    “I say ‘crap’ because I find it strange verging almost on the obscene to hear comparatively well-situated people telling the poor they don’t need to aspire to improve their condition through wealth,” he said.

    C.L.

    December 29, 2009 at 5:01 pm

  139. No kidding, Rog, but you’re really giving Homer a run for his money is the stupidity stakes. I know this is the silly season and all, but you’re carrying this too far.

    Are you licensed to drive a vehicle?

    JC

    December 29, 2009 at 5:02 pm

  140. You are repeating yourself CL, it must be all that frustration and rage guiding your index finger.

    Nurse! get me another keyboard!

    rog

    December 29, 2009 at 5:04 pm

  141. Look JC, I know that you know that…it’s the silly season…but why do you keep on proving it?

    rog

    December 29, 2009 at 5:06 pm

  142. Nurse! get me another keyboard!

    Says Rog without even batting an eyelid.

    JC

    December 29, 2009 at 5:07 pm

  143. LOL indeed rog.

    JC arrives back from a fresh stalking raid on Birdie’s blog flushed as usual with homoerotic excitement from the homo-erotic monikers and remarks that characterise his and the equally shady GMB stalker, BirdLab’s comments on Birdie’s blog, and he/they expect sympathy from others for Birdie’s sharp *political/economic* take-downs of JC.

    Funny old world, ain’t it, with such people in’t.

    pegasus

    December 29, 2009 at 5:09 pm

  144. Rog:

    happy now? You have Phil Pegasus siding with you. That’s what you end up with going full-on retarded.

    JC

    December 29, 2009 at 5:16 pm

  145. JC, good point re Homer/Rog. After saying windmills had made nuclear power stations redundant, you’d think Rog would have the decency to bow out for a spell. But no, he just goes the Skanke Ho route and keeps on digging.

    hey, my last comment reminded me of the ETS. Remember the ETS? We had to have it NOW! NOW! to: a) be in sync with the looming Copenhagen consensus; and b) via our VAST MORAL SUASION, to convince the whole world to “combat” so-called climate change following Kevin and Malcolm’s example.

    LOL.

    C.L.

    December 29, 2009 at 5:19 pm

  146. “It’s like he’s now stalking me.”

    It’s the eternal victimhood JC. I think holds you personally responsible as the source of his many, many woes.

    http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2005/12/idiots-guide-to-victimhood-getting-it.html

    BirdLab

    December 29, 2009 at 5:28 pm

  147. Moreover, let us remind ourselves, that man of obviously discerning taste, Mr Jason Soon, specifically invited Graeme Bird – not jc, mind you – to contribute to his new blog, for he too is appreciative of Graeme’s superlative writing skills and astonishing insights into diverse matters ranging from quarks and whales to stardust, Egyptian architecture and the workings of crony capitalism and the bankocracy which jc defends at every stop.

    pegasus

    December 29, 2009 at 5:28 pm

  148. Even CL, who has the morals of an alley cat, has repeatedly called for the Graeme Bird stalking obsessive, BirdLab, to be banned from Catallaxy since he never engages in any debates here or value adds to them in any way.

    He simply always posts he to make crude, asinine remarks about Birdie, a man who he inexplicably seems to hate with a venom that is frankly unhinged.

    pegasus

    December 29, 2009 at 5:35 pm

  149. I might go on a hunger strike,they are very fashionable this season
    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/dying-for-a-chat-with-kevin-rudd/story-e6freuy9-1225814235842

    tal

    December 29, 2009 at 5:53 pm

  150. Phil, please shut up.

    Thanks.

    C.L.

    December 29, 2009 at 5:55 pm

  151. But to throw both BirdLab and jc a lifeline, something they’ve up until now seemed incapable of doing to others whom they like to bully, above all Graeme, how about a New Year’s Resolution?

    Lay off Birdie.

    Argue with him like people do quite productively and interestingly to many readers. But don’t build yourselves up by trying to make him feel small.

    Thank you.

    pegasus

    December 29, 2009 at 6:03 pm

  152. Pass.

    BirdLab

    December 29, 2009 at 6:31 pm

  153. Yes Phil, STFU. Please stop babbling.

    JC

    December 29, 2009 at 6:33 pm

  154. But don’t build yourselves up by trying to make him feel small.

    You’re kidding right? He’s short and fat.

    JC

    December 29, 2009 at 6:35 pm

  155. How ya doing JC? Gearing up for New Years?

    tal

    December 29, 2009 at 6:39 pm

  156. I’m good tal. Had a had a few issues with a head-strong, all-medical-advice-is-nonsense aging mother but apart from that it’s been pretty decent.

    She thinks that she;s lived to 85 without hardly ever taking a pill she can do another 85 with the same attitude 🙂

    JC

    December 29, 2009 at 6:49 pm

  157. New years is going to be o. We’re heading down the Peninsula I think. The boss hasn’t yet told me what we’re doing.

    JC

    December 29, 2009 at 6:50 pm

  158. God love ya Mum JC. You call your wife “The Boss”? My husband calls me “She who knows everything” 🙂

    tal

    December 29, 2009 at 7:02 pm

  159. Worth reading the Futurist thread :

    The Publishing Disruption
    Amazon estimates that over one-third of its book sales are now through the kindle, greatly displacing sales of paper books.

    And the future:

    Devices that will read us a book chosen in whatever voice, accent you like.

    Amazing.

    I’m astonished with Amazon’s claim. It’s incredible what’s happened in such a short period of time.

    http://www.singularity2050.com/2009/12/the-publishing-disruption.html

    JC

    December 30, 2009 at 1:23 am

  160. Hey, remember swine flu catastrophism?

    Swine flu was less severe than the seasonal sniffle.

    So much for “scientific consensus.”

    C.L.

    December 30, 2009 at 2:06 am

  161. Porbably the worst administration in American history.

    Sen. Dodd, D-Conn., slashed aviation security funding for pet constituency.

    Now that our attention is focused on airline security measures thanks to the failed airline attack on Christmas Day, it’s worth mentioning that one Senator took money away from aviation security to line the pockets of a constituency that supported his presidential campaign in a big way.

    Back in July, Senator Chris Dodd, D-Conn., proposed an amendment reducing aviation security appropriations by $4.5 million in favor of firefighter grants — a notoriously inneffective program. In fact, the money was specifically “for screening operations and the amount for explosives detection systems.” The amendment was also sponsored by Sen. Lieberman, D-Conn., and Sen. Carper, D-Del., but Dodd deserves to be singled out here because the firefighters union is a pet constituency of his.

    Dodd should be jailed.

    C.L.

    December 30, 2009 at 2:21 am

  162. dover_beach

    December 30, 2009 at 12:32 pm

  163. Glenn McCoy also summarises ClimateGate:

    C.L.

    December 30, 2009 at 1:14 pm

  164. Sir Richard Branson:

    “Carbon is the enemy. Let’s attack it in any possible way we can, or many people will die just like in any war.”

    The reporter’s tone is scathing, as are the comments.

    ClimateGate and the hilarious COP15 debacle have changed everything.

    C.L.

    December 30, 2009 at 2:55 pm

  165. France’s Constitutional Council says the country’s proposed carbon tax is illegal….

    France’s Constitutional Council has struck down a carbon tax that was planned to take effect on January 1st. The council, which ensures the constitutionality of French legislation, said too many polluters were exempted in the measure and the tax burden was not fairly distributed.

    It was estimated that 93 percent of industrial emissions outside of fuel use, including the emissions of more than 1,000 of France’s top polluting industrial sites, would be exempt from the tax, which would have charged 17 euros per ton of emitted carbon dioxide.

    http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,5069767,00.html

    This is very good news.

    dover_beach

    December 30, 2009 at 5:00 pm

  166. Lindsay Tanner admits the ETS is a redistribution scheme and has little to do with carbon abatement.

    At least he’s honest even if unwittingly so.

    “Tony Abbott’s claims that it will cost $1100 per year for average families … have been shown to be completely fraudulent and he should come forward and say on what basis are his figures correct,” Mr Tanner said.

    “The scheme will have a much more modest impact on family budgets and the vast majority will be fully compensated or over-compensated.

    “Very high-income earners like government ministers will not be compensated, therefore we will be worse off.”

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/abbott-steps-up-attack-over-emissions-trading-scheme-impact/story-e6frg6xf-1225814733289

    Jc

    December 30, 2009 at 5:32 pm

  167. Jc, we’ve got a couple of designated carbon trading “experts” at work for advisory purposes for our clients. Both politically are well to the right, believe AGW is most likely happening and that the ETS is poor policy that will do nothing to mitigate our carbon emissions.

    sdfc

    December 30, 2009 at 5:52 pm

  168. SDFC:

    You’re wrong if you think I’m sceptical of AGW. However unlike the alarmiats I’m pretty comfortable sitting in what Tol describes as the bulge in scientific thinking, which is that AGW is a long term problem rather than an end-times religious cult.

    Not only do I agree with your “experts” that the ETS is an unworkable piece of poorly designed crap, we now have Tanner basically admitting that it is a redistribution scheme.

    Jc

    December 30, 2009 at 5:59 pm

  169. Jc, I wasn’t commenting on your views I was putting their opposition to the ETS in the context of their belief in AGW.

    sdfc

    December 30, 2009 at 6:03 pm

  170. jc is incapable of thinking about any political topic objectively, since what motivates him most, obviously, is personal malice and antagonism, or conversely, tribal affiliation, as the above comment, sadly for him, but usefully for us, perfectly illustrates.

    Cyd

    December 30, 2009 at 6:04 pm

  171. So a couple of dudes who get paid to be carbon “trading” experts believe “AGW is most likely happening.”

    Well, blow me down. The science is settled!

    In other news, the Ponds Institute swears its expensive facial creams will make you look years younger.

    C.L.

    December 30, 2009 at 8:54 pm

  172. CL, the “experts” comment was tongue in cheek, hence the inverted commas. That should be obvious to even the most brain-dead but given you mucked up which word was put in commas I’m not surprised you didn’t get the intent. It was actually a comment on the ETS rather than AGW again that should have been obvious.

    Your credibility on this issue is pretty much non-existent, just what us it about the greenhouse effect you don’t get? I don’t have a problem with skeptics but outright deniers like yourself don’t even seem to have a grasp of high school science.

    sdfc

    December 30, 2009 at 9:09 pm

  173. Jc, I wasn’t commenting on your views I was putting their opposition to the ETS in the context of their belief in AGW.

    What exactly is your point? Unlike you I require validation.

    Jc

    December 30, 2009 at 9:13 pm

  174. oops I don’t require…

    Jc

    December 30, 2009 at 9:14 pm

  175. Nice Freudian jc. Unfortunately to obtain validation, i.e respect from either peers or betters, you actually have to earn it jc. Hard lesson, but never too late to learn it old bean.

    pegasus

    December 30, 2009 at 9:16 pm

  176. jc is incapable of thinking about any political topic objectively, since what motivates him most, obviously, is personal malice and antagonism, or conversely, tribal affiliation, as the above comment, sadly for him, but usefully for us, perfectly illustrates.

    Not at all, Cyds. there are a few lefties who I respect. However I feel antagonistic towards stupidity and finance illiterates like you discussing complex issues with links to Rolling stone magazine.

    That’s really freaking stupid which is why I have no respect for you.

    Jc

    December 30, 2009 at 9:16 pm

  177. Peggy:

    Should I respond now or should I wait for the other sock puppet to comment first?

    Jc

    December 30, 2009 at 9:18 pm

  178. No jc, you just have no arguments as rog, Jarrah, Adrien, Homer, and the rest of the blogosphere who know of you but don’t engage with you, attest.

    You’re an idiot and a stalker.

    pegasus

    December 30, 2009 at 9:21 pm

  179. No one respects you jc.

    Deal with it.

    pegasus

    December 30, 2009 at 9:22 pm

  180. Have the meds worn off, Peggy?

    Jc

    December 30, 2009 at 9:23 pm

  181. Gotta go, the gang awaits.

    Twas funning whipping your arses yet again.

    LOL!

    pegasus

    December 30, 2009 at 9:24 pm

  182. There isn’t a whip big enough to whip yours by the sounds of things Peggy.

    Jc

    December 30, 2009 at 9:26 pm

  183. “as rog, Jarrah, Adrien, Homer, and the rest of the blogosphere who know of you but don’t engage with you, attest.”

    Don’t lump me in with Homer.

    “AGW is a long term problem rather than an end-times religious cult.”

    I heartily agree with JC. For once. And not just to piss off Phil 🙂

    Jarrah

    December 30, 2009 at 9:36 pm

  184. …the “experts” comment was tongue in cheek.

    So you’re retreating.

    Well done.

    I actually chose to use inverted comments on “trading” because carbon “markets” are not real markets.

    So you screwed up your rebuttal as well.

    C.L.

    December 30, 2009 at 9:38 pm

  185. Change:

    Judicial Watch Announces List of Washington’s “Ten Most Wanted Corrupt Politicians” for 2009.

    1. Senator Christopher Dodd (D-CT)
    2. Senator John Ensign (R-NV)
    3. Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA)
    4. Secretary of Treasury Timothy Geithner:
    5. Attorney General Eric Holder
    6. Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr. (D-IL)/ Senator Roland Burris (D-IL)
    7. President Barack Obama
    8. Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)
    9. Rep. John Murtha (D-PA)
    10. Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY)

    C.L.

    December 30, 2009 at 9:41 pm

  186. JC says he sits with “the bulge in scientific thinking”

    ie the consensus

    You’re on your own now CL

    rog

    December 30, 2009 at 9:52 pm

  187. Jc – Don’t worry I won’t make the mistake of agreeing with you again, unless of course I’m joining in your general abuse of another commenter. You seem to enjoy that validation.

    CL – I’m not retreating from anything. Your attempt to justify your stuffing up of the inverted commas is just a little silly, considering I didn’t use the word markets.

    A simple admission that you got it wrong would have been suffice.

    sdfc

    December 30, 2009 at 10:11 pm

  188. SDFC:

    What exactly did you agree with me about… the ETS?

    Fair enough.

    Jc

    December 30, 2009 at 10:47 pm

  189. No SDFC, you were right to retreat. But I chose the inverted commas for “trading.” But I’m quite happy to mock the “experts” of “AGW” too if you like. And it’s so very East Anglian of you to quibble and to abuse. The warmening cult is falling apart and its proponents just keep returning to these same tactics – which are no longer working.

    C.L.

    December 31, 2009 at 12:05 am

  190. One for you CL. Happy New Year.

    http://barackryphal.blogspot.com/

    BirdLab

    December 31, 2009 at 10:41 am

  191. Not snark, BTW.

    BirdLab

    December 31, 2009 at 10:42 am

  192. Just in case I’m not online later; best wishes for the New Year, all.

    dover_beach

    December 31, 2009 at 12:18 pm

  193. And the you DB…

    —————-

    Vid suggests radical Christians pose a huge threat to the world’s security.

    jc

    December 31, 2009 at 12:24 pm

  194. C.L.

    December 31, 2009 at 12:46 pm

  195. Happy New Year everyone,do try to behave 🙂

    tal

    December 31, 2009 at 12:50 pm

  196. Same to you, Tal. Hope it’s a good one for you. 😉

    C.L.

    December 31, 2009 at 12:55 pm

  197. How’d you do that, JC?

    C.L.

    December 31, 2009 at 12:56 pm

  198. Great balls of fire,the underpants bomber’s jocks
    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/northwest-airlines-bomb-photos/story?id=9436297

    tal

    December 31, 2009 at 12:57 pm

  199. Well, I’m no fan of Obama but we may never know what noise the Nigerian lead was competing with at the CIA on a daily basis. They probably have many leads on a weekly basis that appear more credible and are given a higher priority – but end up being false. At the end of the day, a large share of the responsibility must rest with airports who fail to ensure people don’t get on planes with otherwise detectable explosives.

    Having said that, Obama’s weak, mealy-mouthed, blame-shifting legalese statement deserves criticism.

    Abu Chowdah

    December 31, 2009 at 1:06 pm

  200. The bomber’s christmas crackers must be hurting

    tal

    December 31, 2009 at 1:17 pm

  201. The bomber has lawyered up now too, thanks to Barry’s moronic “law enforecement” model of fighting terrorism. Check out this breathtaking naivete:

    Abdulmutallab remains in a Detroit area prison and, after initial debriefings by the FBI, has restricted his cooperation since securing a defense attorney, according to federal officials. Authorities are holding out hope that he will change his mind and cooperate with the probe, the officials said.

    So who else was he working with? Who else is yet to come? Etc. We’ll never know because Obama thinks he’s just a regular crook, like the bloke who robs a liquor store.

    C.L.

    December 31, 2009 at 1:47 pm

  202. Yes, killing a foetus is homicide. The law finally catches up with science:

    Baby death driver faces Byron’s Law.

    THE allegedly drug-affected driver who crashed into a pregnant woman on Christmas Day, killing her unborn child, may face a manslaughter charge — a NSW first.
    The 39-year-old female driver would be the first in NSW to be charged under legislation unofficially known as Byron’s Law.

    Passed in 2005 after a three-year campaign by The Daily Telegraph, the legislation allows for manslaughter charges to be brought against those responsible for killing a foetus.

    It was prompted by the road rage death of Byron Shields who died in his mother’s womb after his parent’s car was rammed into a power pole at Milperra in 2001.

    The driver was jailed for six years for road rage but avoided manslaughter charges because the foetus had never taken a breath and was technically not human.

    C.L.

    December 31, 2009 at 1:57 pm

  203. I wouldn’t be so concerned, CL. They’ll track his co-conspirators and if they’re in Yemen or another location they’ll soon be looking at the business end of a hellfire or some such suitable resolution. The panty-waist bomber will rot in gaol if he isn’t stabbed with a shiv before then.

    Abu Chowdah

    December 31, 2009 at 1:57 pm

  204. dunno, Cl. It just happened. I copied the address and pasted it here. The rest as they say is history.

    jc

    December 31, 2009 at 1:59 pm

  205. Ah yes, Abu, but you inadvertently point to the legal hypocrisy inhering in the Obama modus operandi. If terrorists have to be given Miranda rights and treated like regular suspects in the civil courts, how can killing other suspects with hellfire missiles be justified?

    C.L.

    December 31, 2009 at 2:00 pm

  206. Hellfire missile mixed in with 50 cal creates a real mess.

    Phil and her sock puppets would of course be cheering for the other side.

    they’re cool looking little suckers too.

    jc

    December 31, 2009 at 2:08 pm


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