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Didn’t Anderson get the memo?

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Two weeks ago Greg Combet told us that the Australian Treasury had released the costing and modellings for the CPRS ‘over a year ago‘. That is a bit of a porky, but the Treasury did release some very inadequate scenario analysis of different policy outcomes.

Mr Abbott, what he is doing each day is demonstrating that he doesn’t do any homework. He doesn’t know the facts, he shoots from the hip, he is not a reliable commentator even on these issues, let alone a responsible political leader.

Talk about not doing their homework, it seems ACCI either haven’t done their homework or they’re deviating from the CPRS party line. Peter Anderson is quoted in the Australian today (emphasis added).

We now have the green light from the global community to undertake a cost-benefit analysis of what Australian industry is already doing, of the government’s Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme versus the direct action ideas the Abbott-led Coalition might come up with, and versus other options or policy mixes comparable nations might develop.

Oh dear. Australia has to wait for foreigners to approve of domestic policy initiatives. Is there a CBA or is there not? If not, why have ACCI supported the CPRS? Looks to me like they don’t know the facts, shoot from the hip and are being irresponsible leaders.

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Written by Sinclair Davidson

December 21, 2009 at 7:39 am

Posted in Uncategorized

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  1. how was it inadequate?

    It was a similar document that set out how the GST would affect families.
    It was quite easy to examine it anf find out the net cost to any family.

    Abbott was incorrect unless this is another example of Sinkers ‘bullshit’ excuse

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 21, 2009 at 1:59 pm

  2. No, Homer, “bullshit” was Mark Latham and Julia Gillard producing “policy” 20 minutes before a press conference in 2004. 😉

    C.L.

    December 21, 2009 at 2:08 pm

  3. wrong policy CL.

    Your bullshit is exactly that

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 21, 2009 at 3:08 pm

  4. Wrong, indeed.

    Hey, by the way, where’s the double dissolution?

    C.L.

    December 21, 2009 at 3:10 pm

  5. Speaking of bullshit, Abbott was carrying on about Copenhagen vindicating his position on the ETS.

    The polls show SFA improvement since Abbott was put in. Turnbull was already down in the polls post Grech emails and the swing to Abbott was negative.

    People want some action on CO2 and Abbott is wheelspinning.

    He will never ever ever be PM as he has never had a policy or position that he has been able to sustain – nobody takes him seriously

    rog

    December 21, 2009 at 3:20 pm

  6. People want some action on CO2…

    Yeah, that’s why sales of SUVs are going through the roof. It’s because people really care about CO2!

    But yes, the hilarious Copenhagen disaster has indeed vindicated Abbott. Rudd’s “climate change” guru, Ross Garnaut, now agrees with him too – an embarrassment for Rudd.

    C.L.

    December 21, 2009 at 3:30 pm

  7. Rog

    How can we act on climate change when it isn’t man-made?

    Rococo Liberal

    December 21, 2009 at 3:40 pm

  8. Comprehension isnt your strong point CL, Garnaut said that Rudd should have taken an ETS to Copenhagen

    rog

    December 21, 2009 at 3:45 pm

  9. Dont worry RL, you wont be asked to do anything – you are a lawyer and will only get in the way.

    rog

    December 21, 2009 at 3:46 pm

  10. yes more wrong that you realise.
    Richard Scotton spent a lot of time of this 20 minute policy.

    A DD BEFORE July would mean a separate half senate by itself in a couple of years.

    I still favour a August/September DD

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 21, 2009 at 3:47 pm

  11. Can’t answer a straight question, rog?

    AS AGW is a myth, why should we do anything about it?

    Rococo Liberal

    December 21, 2009 at 4:21 pm

  12. it aint a myth

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 21, 2009 at 4:24 pm

  13. Ross Garnaut, today:

    However, he said the Prime Minister would have to wait until he discovered what the world was doing before he committed to such a target.

    “I think we’ve got to wait. The wise thing is to wait and talk to others,” he said.

    So Abbott was 100 percent right and Rudd’s own warmening shaman now agrees. Copenhagen was a humiliation for Rudd and Turnbull.

    C.L.

    December 21, 2009 at 5:12 pm

  14. “So Abbott was 100 percent right and Rudd’s own warmening shaman now agrees. Copenhagen was a humiliation for Rudd and Turnbull.”

    That is correct.

    Its incredible, though, that Garnaut thinks that we should, post the humiliating defeat at Copenhagen, increase our current emissions reductions target fivefold target by 2020 (from 5-25%) and by 90%(up from 60%) in order to not go beyond the 2 degrees C. Its like losing a fight with your brother and then dusting yourself off and wanting to take on Ali or Tyson.

    dover_beach

    December 21, 2009 at 5:41 pm

  15. Ross is pretty gung-ho since he installed his steel roof.

    C.L.

    December 21, 2009 at 5:45 pm

  16. CL, I have heard he is building a boat in his backyard. Frequent visits to Bunnings, the purchase of marine ply, etc.

    dover_beach

    December 21, 2009 at 5:51 pm

  17. Gopher wood Dover?

    tal

    December 21, 2009 at 6:04 pm

  18. Snorkel CL?

    “I think it would have strengthened his position

    rog

    December 21, 2009 at 6:14 pm

  19. Speaking of shamans CL, this Mary Mckillop thingame…is she some kind a spook?

    Is she here now? (you better watch your mouth kid)

    I guess it all makes sense if you believe in the Great Daddy Bear in the Sky theory.

    rog

    December 21, 2009 at 6:18 pm

  20. I guess it all makes sense if you believe in the Great Daddy Bear in the Sky theory.

    Well, coming from someone who believes Al Gore is a messiah sent from the Gaia Spirit to save us from drowning, you should know.

    Here’s Ross Garnaut, today:

    However, he said the Prime Minister would have to wait until he discovered what the world was doing before he committed to such a target.

    “I think we’ve got to wait. The wise thing is to wait and talk to others,” he said.

    So Abbott was 100 percent right and Rudd’s own warmening shaman now agrees. A complete humiliation for Rudd and his former deputy, backbencher Malcolm Turnbull.

    C.L.

    December 21, 2009 at 7:05 pm

  21. I’m glad that you are keen on quoting Garnaut CL

    But Prof Garnaut says abandoning a market-based solution doesn’t make sense.

    “If you didn’t have an emissions trading scheme or a carbon tax … it would be much more expensive (to reduce emissions),” he told ABC Radio on Friday.

    “That’s not to say it’s impossible, it would just be a lot poorer.

    “It would require intrusive regulation, it would require officials deciding you couldn’t do this and you couldn’t do that.”

    How are the migraines?

    rog

    December 21, 2009 at 9:39 pm

  22. It would require intrusive regulation, it would require officials deciding you couldn’t do this and you couldn’t do that.

    Like we don’t have that already. 🙂

    Sinclair Davidson

    December 21, 2009 at 9:52 pm

  23. well Sinkers we don’t have that now.

    Interesting that Sinkers is a supporter of the China solution and Quiggin a supporter of the market solution

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 21, 2009 at 10:05 pm

  24. No, Homer. I’m on the record as saying that if AGW is a problem and a policy solution is viable then a carbon tax is the correct solution. I once had lunch with a senior federal ALP politian who told me that one of the reasons he thought the cap and trade solution was a crock was because his socialist anti-market colleagues were promoting it.

    Sinclair Davidson

    December 22, 2009 at 7:15 am

  25. Sinkers so you are saying a cap and trade solution is better than direct action better known as regulation but a carbon tax is better than a cap and trade.

    doesn’t read like it.

    And no Abbott and you were both wrong as anyone who has read the treasury document can attest

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 22, 2009 at 9:09 am

  26. Interesting to see that Wong has thrown Garnaut, or at least his advice, under a bus, by declaring that the emissions targets will stay as they are.

    ““It would require intrusive regulation, it would require officials deciding you couldn’t do this and you couldn’t do that.”

    Yes, that is what is involved with an ETS since it will be the government who will determining the level of emissions allowable and will be issuing permits to pollute, etc., and it is an institution of the UN that is administering the CDM internationally, etc.?

    dover_beach

    December 22, 2009 at 9:17 am

  27. Direct action can only be cheaper that a carbon tax or an ETS if there is a lot of low-hanging fruit. I don’t know if there is or isn’t. One of my colleagues suggested to me that there might be, saying that a $10 carbon price could have a biggish impact. He was doing some modelling work for one of the large utilities so may have good information.

    Sinclair Davidson

    December 22, 2009 at 9:24 am

  28. Here’s Ross Garnaut yesterday, agreeing with Tony Abbott:

    However, he said the Prime Minister would have to wait until he discovered what the world was doing before he committed to such a target.

    “I think we’ve got to wait. The wise thing is to wait and talk to others,” he said.

    This could explain why Rudd has apparently gone into hiding since returning from Copenhagen.

    C.L.

    December 22, 2009 at 11:36 am


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