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Breaking News: ObamaCare passes

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The US Senate has passed the ObamaCare Bill by 60 – 40 votes.
The WSJ Guide to ObamaCare is here.

An op-ed dated December 20 is here.

The rushed, secretive way that a bill this destructive and unpopular is being forced on the country shows that “reform” has devolved into the raw exercise of political power for the single purpose of permanently expanding the American entitlement state. An increasing roll of leaders in health care and business are looking on aghast at a bill that is so large and convoluted that no one can truly understand it, as Finance Chairman Max Baucus admitted on the floor last week. The only goal is to ram it into law while the political window is still open, and clean up the mess later.

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Written by Sinclair Davidson

December 21, 2009 at 6:54 pm

Posted in Uncategorized

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  1. The depths being plumbed are staggering.

    dover_beach

    December 21, 2009 at 7:17 pm

  2. Look on the bright side. When it stuffs-up the voters will know who is responsible. Furthermore the cap and trade probably won’t pass.

    Sinclair Davidson

    December 21, 2009 at 7:54 pm

  3. On the upside, Barry says it will reduce the deficit.

    C.L.

    December 21, 2009 at 8:23 pm

  4. chance of politicians implementing the medical spending reductions required to actually reduce the deficit: 5%

    drscroogemcduck

    December 21, 2009 at 8:33 pm

  5. drscroogemcduck,
    You are optimistic that you put it as high as 5%.

    Andrew

    December 21, 2009 at 8:37 pm

  6. Sorry Sinclair, the bright side still includes the new system. Instant 3rd rail.

    pedro

    December 21, 2009 at 9:00 pm

  7. Yes. The US voters voted for 60 Democrats so they get what they voted for.

    Sinclair Davidson

    December 21, 2009 at 9:02 pm

  8. Actually the CBO scored it so it will reduce the deficit in years to come however it will not come into operation for some time. The so-called centrist Democrats actually reduced the reduction quite a bit.
    Thanks joe!

    The US health system has been a shemozzle for some time.
    Again it is interesting that the Republicans want to increase the deficit through their ‘proposals’

    Nor did the voters vote for 60 ‘democrats’

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 21, 2009 at 9:14 pm

  9. They didn’t? Those Democrats weren’t voted into office?

    Amazing revelation.

    Thanks, Homer!

    C.L.

    December 21, 2009 at 9:33 pm

  10. Yes CL, it was the republicans that failed to keep them out.

    Amazing really

    rog

    December 21, 2009 at 9:41 pm

  11. If only Malcolm Turnbull had been there to stop them being elected.

    Homer says the ObamaCare bill will reduce the deficit (using special Obama magic) and also that its backers in Congress weren’t voted into office.

    Rog seems to agree.

    Rog and Homer are becoming the Laurel and Hardy of the blogosphere.

    C.L.

    December 21, 2009 at 9:49 pm

  12. Homer – you’re assuming the CBO version isn’t tinkered with every year.

    Sinclair Davidson

    December 21, 2009 at 9:54 pm

  13. When the NHS was set up in the UK, the politicians said medical costs would come down since after a while everyone will be healthier.

    Ken Nielsen

    December 21, 2009 at 9:54 pm

  14. Funnily enough – one of Obama’s campaign planks was reforming health care.

    Its not like he kept it a secret – why is everybody so shocked?

    rog

    December 21, 2009 at 10:01 pm

  15. CL 60 democrats were not voted in.
    how did the Democrats get 60 votes?

    no magic the CBO scored it.

    sinkers how is it different to several months ago when the score was different?

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 21, 2009 at 10:03 pm

  16. Another one of Obama’s “campaign planks” was to limit his own spending pursuant to McCain-Feingold.

    C.L.

    December 21, 2009 at 10:07 pm

  17. Thanks, Homer.

    Those 60 Democrats weren’t voted into office.

    An amazing revelation.

    The CBO trashed ObamaCare mid-year as fiscally useless and was then presented with an accountancy version in October which hypothetically added up on paper. Democrat ultraists and rent-seekers are already planning to put back into the bill everything they had to take out and take out that which they had to put in. anyone who believes this travesty of a bill will reduce the US deficit is delusional.

    C.L.

    December 21, 2009 at 10:24 pm

  18. Multi-billion dollar pork. A handy reference and a telling guide to Obama’s prudential credentials:

    Cash for Cloture: Demcare bribe list, Pt. II.

    C.L.

    December 21, 2009 at 10:42 pm

  19. CL is too lazy to see CBO analysis, he just looks up WaPo for some recycled polemic

    CL, the Norman Gunston of the blogosphere

    rog

    December 21, 2009 at 10:42 pm

  20. Thanks for confirming what I wrote above, Rog.

    Which was: the CBO trashed ObamaCare mid-year as fiscally useless and was then presented with an accountancy version in October which hypothetically added up on paper.

    You really are challenging Homer for the coveted position of Catallaxy’s dumbest commenter. It’s getting hard to categorise which are the most stupid of your analyses. Turnbull set to win the next election, windmills obviating nuclear power, the ETS needed to influence the world at Copenhagen… The list is taking on a Skanke Ho notoriety.

    C.L.

    December 21, 2009 at 11:13 pm

  21. Congressional Budget Office has done some numbers crunching on Obama’s bribery campaign:

    CBO Says Reid’s Vote Buying Cost $1.2B.

    In Nebraska alone:

    CBO pegs Nelson’s Nebraska Medicaid deal cost at $100 million.

    C.L.

    December 22, 2009 at 11:51 am

  22. CL ever heard of Arlen Spectre?

    Care to name the election he won as a democrat?

    Stupid is as stupid as

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 22, 2009 at 12:26 pm

  23. Homer is suddenly uninterested in the CBO.

    C.L.

    December 22, 2009 at 12:36 pm

  24. CL running away from being stupid.

    CBO scored the health care proposal as REDUCING the deficit as Orzag said it would.

    the reduction would have been more except for ‘fiscally conservative’ democrats or independents like Lieberman.

    The Republicans would have had a larger deficit as they usually do.

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 22, 2009 at 1:31 pm

  25. Specter moved across to the Dems some time back, Homer.

    Rococo Liberal

    December 22, 2009 at 1:55 pm

  26. So Homer agrees with the CBO when it suits him (based on the bill’s laughable Enron accountancy) but ignores the CBO when it fingers the Democrats for blowing more than a billion dollars in bribes.

    The Republicans would have had a larger deficit as they usually do.

    Yeah, after one year, looks like it.

    C.L.

    December 22, 2009 at 2:02 pm

  27. RL,

    He was never voted in as a Democrat. He moved after the last election.

    I didn’t criticise the CBO before whereas you are now saying they are using dubious figures when it suits you.

    err the present deficit and future deficits can mostly be explained by Bush 2 tax cuts, Iraq /Afghanistan wars. economic downturn.

    This does not include the Medicare prescription drug benefit either.

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 22, 2009 at 2:17 pm

  28. CL and RL or even Sinkers, who made the original inaccurate remark, care to name the 60 ‘democrats’ who were voted in?

    Remembering of course both Bernie Sanders and Joe Lieberman call themselves independents

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 22, 2009 at 2:26 pm

  29. Sinclair remarked that the backers of the unpopular ObamaCare bill were voted into office and so people get what they vote for. All of the bill’s supporters were indeed voted into office. Homer is saying they weren’t voted into office – a remarkable scoop.

    Here’s Obama’s contribution to fiscal discipline.

    C.L.

    December 22, 2009 at 2:36 pm

  30. I count 60 members of the Democratic Caucus – including two individuals identified as independent and Arlen Specter who is identified as a Democrat. To the best of my knowledge none of these individuals fills a casual vacancy – consequently they are all elected. The US voters voted for a majority of Senators who would pass ObamaCare.
    Akaka, Daniel – (D – HI)
    Baucus, Max – (D – MT)
    Bayh, Evan – (D – IN)
    Begich, Mark (D – AK)
    Bennet, Michael – (D – CO)
    Bingaman, Jeff – (D – NM)
    Boxer, Barbara – (D – CA)
    Brown, Sherrod – (D – OH)
    Burris, Roland – (D – IL)
    Byrd, Robert – (D – WV)
    Cantwell, Maria – (D – WA)
    Cardin, Ben – (D – MD)
    Carper, Thomas – (D – DE)
    Casey, Robert P., Jr. – (D – PA)
    Conrad, Kent – (D – ND)
    Dodd, Christopher – (D – CT)
    Dorgan, Byron – (D – ND)
    Durbin, Richard – (D – IL)
    Feingold, Russell – (D – WI)
    Feinstein, Dianne – (D – CA)
    Franken, Al – (D – MN)
    Gillibrand, Kirsten – (D – NY)
    Hagan, Kay – (D – NC)
    Harkin, Tom – (D – IA)
    Inouye, Daniel – (D – HI)
    Johnson, Tim – (D – SD)
    Kaufman, Ted – (D – DE)
    Kerry, John – (D – MA)
    Kirk, Paul – (D – MA)
    Kohl, Herb – (D – WI)
    Klobuchar, Amy – (D – MN)
    Landrieu, Mary – (D – LA)
    Lautenberg, Frank – (D – NJ)
    Leahy, Patrick – (D – VT)
    Levin, Carl – (D – MI)
    Lieberman, Joseph – (I – CT)
    Lincoln, Blanche – (D – AR)
    McCaskill, Claire – (D – MO)
    Menendez, Robert – (D – NJ)
    Merkley, Jeff – (D – OR)
    Mikulski, Barbara – (D – MD)
    Murray, Patty – (D – WA)
    Nelson, Bill – (D – FL)
    Nelson, Ben – (D – NE)
    Pryor, Mark – (D – AR)
    Reed, Jack – (D – RI)
    Reid, Harry – (D – NV)
    Rockefeller, John – (D – WV)
    Sanders, Bernie – (I – VT)
    Schumer, Charles – (D – NY)
    Shaheen, Jeanne – (D – NH)
    Specter, Arlen – (D – PA)
    Stabenow, Debbie – (D – MI)
    Tester, Jon – (D – MT)
    Udall, Mark – (D – CO)
    Udall, Tom – (D – NM)
    Warner, Mark – (D – VA)
    Webb, Jim – (D – VA)
    Whitehouse, Sheldon – (D – RI)
    Wyden, Ron – (D – OR)
    Update: The Democratic senator from New York is a casual and one from Mass too.

    Sinclair Davidson

    December 22, 2009 at 2:46 pm

  31. Sinkers said this

    Yes. The US voters voted for 60 Democrats so they get what they voted for.

    Sinkers like CL and RL were incorrect.

    No-one voted for 60 Democrats because they ain’t 60 at all.

    There are 58 and 2 independents. One of the Democrats was a Republican before the last election.

    CL is saying black is white AGAIN.

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 22, 2009 at 2:46 pm

  32. Sinkers you can’t change what you said previously.

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 22, 2009 at 2:47 pm

  33. Homer is saying they weren’t voted into office, Sinclair. Somebody alert the mainstream media. This incredible scoop has passed them by.

    C.L.

    December 22, 2009 at 2:50 pm

  34. The NY Democrat fill in for Clinton is a bit of all right.

    Sinclair Davidson

    December 22, 2009 at 2:52 pm

  35. CL caught red handed again making it up.

    I said ‘Nor did the voters vote for 60 ‘democrats’’

    US voters did not vote for 60 Democrats at all.

    Inexperienced might think so but then they are wrong most of the time

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 22, 2009 at 2:55 pm

  36. So Homer, how do you explain there are 60 Democrats in the US senate?

    Sinclair Davidson

    December 22, 2009 at 2:57 pm

  37. There isn’t.

    There are 58 as I explained previously that is only because Arlen Spectre changed sides after the election

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 22, 2009 at 2:59 pm

  38. Homer

    I didn’t mention the CBO.

    As to whether 60 Dems were elected or not, I can only repat Noel Cowards famous stricture: Don’t quibble Sybil!”

    The point is that the Senate has a large Dem majority, because that is what the voters wanted. The Dems have used their position to pass a really silly piece of legislation that is not wanted by a large majority of the voters.

    Rococo Liberal

    December 22, 2009 at 3:04 pm

  39. Isuspect there will a lot fewer Dems in the Snate after next year’s elections.

    Rococo Liberal

    December 22, 2009 at 3:05 pm

  40. Oh, do you think that has any bearing on Sinclair’s point about people getting what they vote for, Homer?

    No, of course it doesn’t. If they’d voted for a half dozen more Republicans, this stupendously unpopular bill would be dead.

    C.L.

    December 22, 2009 at 3:06 pm

  41. C.L.

    December 22, 2009 at 3:13 pm

  42. silly piece of legislation to ensure more people are covered by health insurance.

    It increases the mobility of the labour force and is good for the budget.

    Sinkers made the silly and inaccurate comment not me and CL then made an even sillier comment

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 22, 2009 at 3:57 pm

  43. Funny how spending trillions is always “good for the budget” when Democrats do it. Obama has already spent far more than Bush spent winning the Iraq War but he hasn’t actually accomplished anything.

    C.L.

    December 22, 2009 at 4:10 pm

  44. Homer

    They only had to drop the ban on health insurers operating across State lines and bring in tort reform and the problems would have been mostly solved. Now they’ve got a pig which no-one really understands and which will increase health costs and force insurers to give cover to pre-exiosting conditions whilst not ensuring that any extra people have cover.

    All the pundits agree that it’s a turkey.

    Rococo Liberal

    December 22, 2009 at 4:18 pm

  45. Homer

    Here’s a link showing that the Left in the US think the Health Bill is shite, but they want it to pass just to shore up the useless Obama

    http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/12182009/transcript4.html

    Rococo Liberal

    December 22, 2009 at 4:26 pm

  46. Tis the season for turkey.

    C.L.

    December 22, 2009 at 4:30 pm

  47. gosh funny CL being completely wrong about the budget AGAIN.
    The only time when ARRA is greater than the war costs over a ten year period is 2010!!!
    Bush era tax cuts are bigger than ARA in every year.

    RL Hillary’s proposal was better however she didn’t get up.

    The major problems with the health scheeme came from ‘fiscal conservatives’ like Lieberman not the left

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 22, 2009 at 4:32 pm

  48. Here’s Obama’s contribution to fiscal discipline. He has already blown more than Bush spent winning the Iraq War. and he still hasn’t actually achieved anything. His stimulus bill has failed and Pelosi and company want to blow many more billions on Son of Stimulus.

    C.L.

    December 22, 2009 at 4:42 pm

  49. oops CL can’t even differentiate how the budget deteriorates.

    Gosh is Obama responsible for the recession as well.

    Have a chocolate

    Butterfield, Bloomfield & Bishop

    December 22, 2009 at 5:36 pm

  50. Homer,
    For the budget to deteriorate that much it cannot (surely) be merely the operation of automatic and non-discretionary spending. That sort of spending takes a true will to waste money.

    Andrew

    December 22, 2009 at 5:49 pm

  51. Obama’s approval rating plummets to 44 percent.

    http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/6396

    He’s heading into the Spiro Agnew zone.

    C.L.

    December 23, 2009 at 2:28 am

  52. Latest Quinnipiac Poll: support for ObamaCare plummets to just 36 percent.

    http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1408

    C.L.

    December 23, 2009 at 2:42 am

  53. 1)It is my understanding that the Senate has not passed Obamacare as of yet, it passed the first in a series of votes leading to passage.
    2)After the Senate passes it, it is by no means sure that it will be approved by the house.
    3)CBO score is crap, and has been utterly discredited. See Cato’s work in particular on it.

    Tim Andrews

    December 23, 2009 at 4:18 am

  54. Rasmussen: another record plummet for Obama.

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 25% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-six percent (46%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -21 That’s the lowest Approval Index rating yet recorded for this President…

    That negative rating had never topped 42% before yesterday. However, it has risen dramatically since the Senate found 60 votes to move forward with the proposed health care reform legislation.

    C.L.

    December 23, 2009 at 4:19 am

  55. Here is a good rundown of why it might still fail to pass overall: http://www.gop.com/index.php/briefing/comments/the_coming_conference_war/

    Tim Andrews

    December 23, 2009 at 4:33 am

  56. Change you can believe in:

    Democrat dumps party over ObamaCare, becomes Republican.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30896.html

    C.L.

    December 23, 2009 at 11:42 am

  57. C.L.

    December 23, 2009 at 11:57 am

  58. CL the word is ‘arsehole’

    Rococo Liberal

    December 23, 2009 at 12:35 pm

  59. Rats deserting the ship.

    The GOP shouldn’t take them.

    HUNTSVILLE, Ala. (AP) – A U.S. House Democrat who opposes the health care overhaul announced Tuesday he is defecting to the GOP, another blow to Democrats ahead of the midterm elections.

    U.S. Rep. Parker Griffith spoke to reporters at his home in northern Alabama, a region that relies heavily on defense and aerospace jobs.

    “I believe our nation is at a crossroads and I can no longer align myself with a party that continues to pursue legislation that is bad for our country, hurts our economy, and drives us further and further into debt,” Griffith said as his wife Virginia stood by his side.

    The 67-year-old radiation oncologist was narrowly elected last year in a district that includes Huntsville and Decatur. President Barack Obama lost badly there to Republican John McCain.

    Griffith also slammed the health care overhaul making its way through Congress. He was one of 39 House Democrats to vote against a version of the bill that narrowly passed.

    jc

    December 23, 2009 at 4:47 pm

  60. I don’t see how the present Congress can bind future Congresses; the authority to amend or repel is irrevocable. That such a provision is actually in there is offensive, not merely to future Congresses, but to the public, present and future. The sooner we see the back of these grifters, swindlers and fools, the better.

    dover_beach

    December 23, 2009 at 5:02 pm

  61. I can’t believe someone so personally unappealing like Harry Reid has made it to the top of US politics. Reid is truly a disgsuting human being.

    Having said that there’s no way that sort of totalitarian “law” could be found constitutional.

    The Demolition party is just playing with its members (pun intended).

    Fucking aresholes they are.

    Nothing really surprising about the party of slavery to be going for this sort of provision in law hoping it will stick.

    If some of the states had the guts they ought to start moving towards succession if this provision becomes law by any chance.

    jc

    December 23, 2009 at 5:10 pm


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