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Written by Sinclair Davidson

December 19, 2009 at 10:24 am

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  1. DC snowstorm chills Pelosi’s global warming trip.

    Copenhagen (CNN) – In a strange twist, a Washington snowstorm is forcing Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-California, to make an early departure from a global warming summit here in Denmark.

    C.L.

    December 19, 2009 at 12:25 pm

  2. With Copenhagen in the toilet, cult members open a new front in the war on warmening:

    Soft toilet paper becomes target of environmentalists.

    C.L.

    December 19, 2009 at 3:44 pm

  3. “Prime Minister Kevin Rudd said eleventh hour negotiations over the text by world leaders including himself, Barack Obama, Gordon Brown and Nicholas Sarkozy, had saved the summit from “catastrophic collapse”.”

    We knew all would come right when Mr Rudd arrived.

    ken nielsen

    December 19, 2009 at 4:21 pm

  4. Tim Flannry says OUR PRIME MINISTER has done an outstanding job.

    Quick Tim, there’s another $90 million for the geothermal project.

    Jc

    December 19, 2009 at 4:39 pm

  5. It was that letter from young Gracie that gave Rudd the edge

    tal

    December 19, 2009 at 5:06 pm

  6. Unintentional ironical apocalypse:

    “This can be a catalyzing moment. It’s a powerful signal to see President Obama, Premier Wen, Prime Minister Singh, and President Zuma agree on a meeting of the minds. These are the four horsemen of a climate change solution…”

    Re Rudd, it’s been a while since I read Revelations but I’ll have another look at it and see if there’s a reference to a dwarf on a shetland pony bring up the rear in the Endtimes.

    C.L.

    December 19, 2009 at 6:10 pm

  7. The quote above is John Kerry, by the way.

    C.L.

    December 19, 2009 at 6:11 pm

  8. Randi comes out against AGW while simultaneously admitting he doesn’t know enough to have an informed opinion.

    http://www.scientificblogging.com/rationally_speaking/james_randi_global_warming_and_meaning_skepticism

    So nice


    When we cross that line from positive skepticism into negative cynicism we do no favors to critical thinking, instead we undermine the whole notion and we make the public equally distrustful of serious scientists as they should be of Deepak Chopra. The public loses, and the Chopra of the world run laughing all the way to the bank.

    John H.

    December 19, 2009 at 6:57 pm

  9. John H: “Run laughing all the way to the bank.”
    The expression was “crying all the way to the bank”.
    Originally from Liberace, commenting on negative reviews he got.

    Much more positive.

    ken nielsen

    December 19, 2009 at 7:13 pm

  10. [This comment will be put up as a post – Sinc]

    ken nielsen

    December 19, 2009 at 7:51 pm

  11. Aw, shit, I meant that to be a new post.
    Why isn’t there a 15 Year old kid around with tech support when you need one?

    ken nielsen

    December 19, 2009 at 7:56 pm

  12. Ken, just delete the comment and post it as a post.

    No problemo.

    C.L.

    December 19, 2009 at 8:00 pm

  13. Ken, put it up as a post, then I’ll delete the comment.

    Sinclair Davidson

    December 19, 2009 at 8:02 pm

  14. I blame the 15 year old Ballantine’s….Twas good, but..

    ken nielsen

    December 19, 2009 at 8:33 pm

  15. John, your description of Randi’s view – and the reasoning behing it – as “negative cynicism” is a travesty. His essay is here. He doesn’t ‘admit’ anything other than that he’s a climate amateur (like Al Gore, Tim Flannery and the head of the IPCC). You’ve relied on Massimo Pigliucci for a caricature of Randi’s essay and he – Pigliucci – has clearly blown a fuse. Not a climate scientist himself, he scorns non climate scientists who comment on “climate change.” He is actually saying – in a tone far more bullying and obscurantist than Randi – that nobody may disagree with the Maoist notion of a climate “consensus.”

    C.L.

    December 19, 2009 at 8:40 pm

  16. CL,

    Not my view, view of author.

    John H.

    December 19, 2009 at 8:42 pm

  17. C.L.

    December 19, 2009 at 8:47 pm

  18. CL, along with Randi, is the travesty

    Randi starts off by saying that

    scientists are just as human as the rest of us, in that they are strongly influenced by the need to be accepted, to kowtow to peer opinion, and to “belong” in the scientific community.

    and

    science does not depend on consensus

    and then claims the consensus of the The Petition Project to be valid based on his

    admittedly rudimentary knowledge of the facts about planet Earth.

    .

    Randi indeed

    rog

    December 19, 2009 at 10:28 pm

  19. His argument is the exact opposite. Randi doesn’t call or refer to the Petition Project as a “consensus.” He cites it as evidence that there is no true consensus and elegantly essays why that very concept in this subject is inimical to true science.

    Compare the reason and civility of Randi with the smarmy, bullying – and East Anglian – tone of his critic, Pigliucci.

    You really are a clown, Rog.

    C.L.

    December 19, 2009 at 11:46 pm

  20. In the homer tradition but with a lot more venom.

    Jc

    December 20, 2009 at 5:01 am

  21. Thanks, Sinc, please delete it – needs a polish and I’ll repost.

    ken nielsen

    December 20, 2009 at 5:59 am

  22. “I strongly suspect that The Petition Project may be valid.”

    That is Randi’s opinion which, by his own admission, is suspicious, rudimentary and amateur.

    Woopy-do

    rog

    December 20, 2009 at 6:08 am

  23. Tony Abbott trumpets that Copenhagen vindicated his opposition to an ETS.

    Abbott’s psychosis is being picked up by the voters – the latest Morgan Poll puts him further behind the ALP.

    Spin that one fellers

    rog

    December 20, 2009 at 6:14 am

  24. In his first piece Randi failed to be show scepticism about his own views on a topic of which he clearly has only rudimentary knowledge.

    In his second piece he admits to his shortcomings

    the importance and the impact of this phenomenon is well beyond my grasp…

    …I do not deny the finding of GW. AGW, to me, is less clear, though I accept that it is likely true

    He quickly dumps the Petition Project

    I admit that I was unaware of the true nature of the Petition, and I thank Dr. Plait — and several others — who pointed me to this reference and a much better grasp of the situation.

    Unlike CL Randi has the wisdom to admit that he knows nothing

    My remarks, again, are directed at the complexity of determining whether this GW is anthropogenic or not. I do not deny that possibility. In fact, I accept it as quite probable. I remain respectful of science and its participants. I stand outside the walls of academe, in awe.

    rog

    December 20, 2009 at 7:27 am

  25. [Nice try, Graeme. You remain permanently banned. Sinc]

    graemebird

    December 20, 2009 at 9:31 am

  26. An edifying post on Climategate and the retreat to moral equivalence at Samizdata:

    http://www.samizdata.net/blog/archives/2009/12/climategate_the_2.html

    dover_beach

    December 20, 2009 at 10:02 am

  27. “…I do not deny the finding of GW. AGW, to me, is less clear, though I accept that it is likely true”

    Of course, even the mention of a doubt was too much for some. Its interesting that, generally, the scientists who also happen to be classed variously as climate ‘sceptics’ or ‘deniers’ also neither deny GW or AGW but simply question its magnitude; but AGW is a jealous god, and its priests guard his honor zealously.

    “Unlike CL Randi has the wisdom to admit that he knows nothing”

    If Randi ‘knew nothing’, he could not make the following claim: “My remarks, again, are directed at the complexity of determining whether this GW is anthropogenic or not. I do not deny that possibility. In fact, I accept it as quite probable.” That is a judgement which requires some knowledge, even if it happens to be rudimentary.

    dover_beach

    December 20, 2009 at 10:27 am

  28. “Spin that fellas”

    Rog, i’m not kidding, but are you taking retarded pills or were you hit by a truck?

    If the vote for the Libs shows basically unchanged as it seems to then Turnbull’s previous leadership and support for the ETS made no real impact.

    Jc

    December 20, 2009 at 10:32 am

  29. These people truly disgust me me. Why not let the kid live and she pulled the plug on her own life if it meant that much to her.

    Toni Vernelli, of green group PETA, says she killed her unborn child because of its potential emissions: “It would have been immoral to give birth to a child that I felt strongly would only be a burden to the world.”

    Jc

    December 20, 2009 at 10:44 am

  30. according to this article she got herself sterilized. darwin in action.

    drscroogemcduck

    December 20, 2009 at 10:50 am

  31. Some of them really are Hitler’s little children, hey?

    Jc

    December 20, 2009 at 10:56 am

  32. “Prime Minister Kevin Rudd said eleventh hour negotiations over the text by world leaders including himself, Barack Obama, Gordon Brown and Nicholas Sarkozy, had saved the summit from “catastrophic collapse”.”

    He was lying, of course:

    Mr Rudd was not in the inner group which finalised the statement.”

    C.L.

    December 20, 2009 at 10:58 am

  33. I take it Skanke Ho Rog thus concedes that he was lying when he said Randi claimed his own consensus. In fact he claimed the exact opposite.

    But, of course, Rog is the political genius who argued Malcolm Turnbull was set for election to The Lodge because of his highly popular ETS – the one that would influence the world at Copenhagen.

    A self-beclowning of epic proportions.

    C.L.

    December 20, 2009 at 11:02 am

  34. Mark Steyn discusses the epic, hilarious disaster of Copenhagen.

    C.L.

    December 20, 2009 at 11:04 am

  35. What a big noting, former bureaucrat little twerp. He really does think he’s some of big gun around the world.

    Can we arrange to give him the UN job to get rid of him or perhaps send him off to fight the Taliban?

    Jc

    December 20, 2009 at 11:04 am

  36. Yeah JC armed with his trusty hairdryer

    tal

    December 20, 2009 at 11:13 am

  37. Most copious downfall of snow in Washington for 77 years. Damn you, Nick Minchin:

    Blizzard blasts United States, Washington snowed under.

    C.L.

    December 20, 2009 at 11:19 am

  38. Where’s Gore?

    tal

    December 20, 2009 at 11:21 am

  39. Predictions for world economy 2010.

    UBS, Credit Suisse both suggest it will an average year.

    Morgan Stanley down beat… not another dip but not a great year.

    JPMorgan are outliers thinking it will be a great year for the world economy and equities in particular.

    Goldie’s thinks it will an ok year and more importantly think the Fed will only raise rates in 2012.

    Jc

    December 20, 2009 at 11:50 am

  40. this is from the same Jonathon Holmes expressing opinions on Media watch.

    ABC News director Kate Torney emailed staff this week warning them to be clear about the difference between news and opinion, after Media Watch host Jonathan Holmes revealed a schism among ABC journalists and the director of editorial policies, Paul Chadwick.

    He’s about the worse of offender in terms of crafting leftwing opinion group think.. all with that irritating, really freaking annoying, off-putting little smirk.

    jc

    December 20, 2009 at 3:18 pm

  41. this is from the same Jonathon Holmes expressing opinions on Media watch.

    ABC News director Kate Torney emailed staff this week warning them to be clear about the difference between news and opinion, after Media Watch host Jonathan Holmes revealed a schism among ABC journalists and the director of editorial policies, Paul Chadwick.

    He’s about the worse of offender in terms of crafting leftwing opinion group think.. all with that irritating, really freaking annoying, off-putting little smirk.

    jc

    December 20, 2009 at 3:18 pm

  42. Michael Mann of the Hockey stick claim and under investigation by Penn State writes an op-ed for the Washington Post.. throws the rest of the team under a bus and begins arguing with Sarah Plain.

    These dudes ought to get a spot on the WWF calling in the AGW countdown grudge match.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/17/AR2009121703682.html

    This is hilarious. They’re not scientists, they political advocates.

    jc

    December 20, 2009 at 3:42 pm

  43. The comments of the Mann’s editorial are so revealing.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/17/AR2009121703682_Comments.html

    He seems despised.

    jc

    December 20, 2009 at 4:36 pm

  44. CL did you go to mass today?

    tal

    December 20, 2009 at 4:43 pm

  45. Not yet, Tal. Why?

    C.L.

    December 20, 2009 at 5:08 pm

  46. Climate audit:

    Michael Mann in the WAPO:

    I cannot condone some things that colleagues of mine wrote or requested in the e-mails recently stolen from a climate research unit at a British university.

    Phil Jones in an email to Mick Mann.

    Subject: Re: IPCC & FOI

    Mike,
    Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4? Keith will do likewise. He’s not in at the moment – minor family crisis.

    Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same? I don’t have his new email address.

    Cheers
    Phil

    Instead of replying in forceful terms that he did not “condone” such a request and urging other parties not to do so as well, Mann immediately replied to Jones that he would “contact Gene [Wahl] about this ASAP”.

    Hi Phil,

    I’ll contact Gene about this ASAP. His new email is: generwahl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx

    talk to you later,

    mike

    Mick’s thrown his buddies under a bus.

    jc

    December 20, 2009 at 6:03 pm

  47. JC, with friends like that, who needs enemies?

    dover_beach

    December 20, 2009 at 6:11 pm

  48. One of the best descriptions of the carbon market I have read.

    Carbon trading – Cecil Rhodes would have loved it. Rheumy-eyed retired sjambok-wielders thought the days when members of the pallid-skinned races could support a luxurious lifestyle by working Africans to death were gone for good. They reckoned without the invention of the carbon market, today’s smarter, more profitable version of the slave trade.

    Yep, white people paying not-white people to stay poor.

    Sinclair Davidson

    December 20, 2009 at 6:43 pm

  49. Steve from Brisbane:

    How do you feel about the standing ovation Huggy Chavez received when he referred to capitalism as poison or some such?

    You’re a self titled conservative so that ought to burn you a little, no?.. Or is this excuse number 35,038

    jc

    December 20, 2009 at 7:09 pm

  50. JC: I was a little suspicious of this claimed “standing ovation”. It suits both Chavez’s own PR, and that of skeptics who wanted to bag the conference in any way at all.

    So I had a look for the video of his appearance. It would seem to indicate that the ovation at the end was given by a handful of people. Perhaps there was a standing ovation in the middle of the speech, but I’m not going to wade through all parts of the video to check.

    In any case, it means very little.

    steve from brisbane

    December 20, 2009 at 8:04 pm

  51. he did receive an ovation. Steve. But again it’s nothing to see here.

    Ask yourself why are people sharing the same festival with huggy Chavez, Uncle A and Mugabe? What the fuck could they offer?

    jc

    December 20, 2009 at 8:40 pm

  52. CL, all I’ve heard today ,from family and friends, that mass was great because of Saint Mary

    tal

    December 20, 2009 at 9:04 pm

  53. Steve, either Chavez had a standing ovation or not. Whatever. The real question is why was he and Mugabe there in the first place? What could we possibly learn from these two individuals?

    Perhaps, how to deal with western morons? Useful idiots 101? Or how to be a mass murdering dictator and still be feted by Europe?

    Sinclair Davidson

    December 20, 2009 at 9:32 pm

  54. Let’s not forget Mahmoud Ahmadinejad – another global warming enthusiast.

    C.L.

    December 20, 2009 at 9:42 pm

  55. Stephen Glover:

    50 days to save the world? I might listen to the doomsayers if they weren’t such ludicrous hypocrites.

    Not many people understand climate change. But they can recognise hypocrisy when they see it, and are also likely to count their spoons whenever wild-eyed politicians invoke the impending end of the world.

    On Tuesday, Prince Charles flew to Copenhagen to attend the climate change summit, where he delivered a keynote speech.

    He informed his audience that ‘the world has only seven years before we lose the levers of control’. Not at all long, then.

    For the Prince this was an important speech with an important message.

    If we have so little time, and man-made climate change is such a terrifyingly imminent threat, he might have taken a boat or train to Copenhagen, or even, as a symbolic gesture, decided to walk.

    But he commandeered a jet belonging to the Queen’s Flight, generating an estimated 6.4tons of carbon dioxide, 5.2tons more than if he had used a commercial flight.

    Meanwhile his fellow prophet of doom, Gordon Brown, was making his own way to Copenhagen the same day.

    This is the man who proclaimed in October that we had ’50 days to save the world’. Before leaving he conjured up on a television programme the certainty of ‘floods and droughts’ with ‘climate change evacuees and refugees’ if agreement is not reached in Copenhagen.

    Mr Brown chartered a 185-seat Airbus to take him and 20 aides to Denmark. Was a smaller plane producing less carbon dioxide not available?

    Could he perhaps have shared an aircraft with Prince Charles? Might he have considered taking a scheduled flight to the Danish capital, of which there were 16 on Tuesday?

    Evidently not. It is odd, isn’t it, how climate change doomsayers such as Prince Charles and Mr Brown are so often unprepared to make the smallest sacrifice in their own daily lives to address a threat which they assert is literally deadly.

    He has more on this ludicrous delusion.

    C.L.

    December 20, 2009 at 9:51 pm

  56. I don’t quite understand the interest in getting me to say that it is unfortunate that disastrous world leaders get to attend UN forums and claim credibility. It is. It happens. It has very little to do with the serious issue of trying to get a response to AGW by those leaders that matter. Unless of course you’re a skeptic, then it’s just grist to the do-nothing mill.

    steve from brisbane

    December 20, 2009 at 10:07 pm

  57. Steve:

    The interest is in getting you to admit it’s a farce. The whole things was a fucking farce. It was as that GOP adviser referred to it… “A Hajj”.

    If you really want to do something about AGW you take it to G20 where it belongs and then after an agreement is hatched there you basically tell the rest of the world what they need to do or they have their goods taxed at the borders and soon enough everyone falls into line.

    Anything the UN touches turns to shit.

    The head of the UN sponsored IPCC is so conflicted with his hands in the cookie jar that it makes ht entire process a sick joke.

    Haven’t you had enough of this grandstanding?

    I carefully and patiently explained to you a little while ago how this could be dealt with using cold hard economics that is least damaging to our national interest or any other serious nation too. Yet you still prefer these self aggrandizing lefties to hold sway.

    jc

    December 20, 2009 at 10:20 pm

  58. Bob Brown weighs in between after obviously suffering a transient ischemic attack (temporary stroke)

    Senator Brown called for the government to enter into serious negotiations with the Greens.

    He said it should consider appointing Greens’ Senator Christine Milne as a special adviser on climate change.

    Christine as special adviser lol.

    jc

    December 20, 2009 at 10:41 pm

  59. I reckon they just have these meetings so they can plan where to have the next one

    tal

    December 20, 2009 at 10:43 pm

  60. Here’s a bloody shock:

    Report: Democratic districts received nearly twice the amount of stimulus funds as GOP districts.

    And if you were wondering how the Demolition Party was going to rally itself next year:

    2010 Campaign Preview: Democrats To Say GOP Still Party Of Bush.

    To which, I would have thought, the obvious retort is that the Democrats are still the party of Obama.

    C.L.

    December 20, 2009 at 11:15 pm

  61. He’s a spoils president. That’s all in true old style tribal mode. Vote for me and I’ll give you cash.

    The Mercatus Center at George Mason University in Virginia is one of the nation’s most respected economic and regulatory think tanks and has a Nobel prize-winning economist on staff. The econometric analysis was done using data provided by Recovery.gov — the government website devoted to tracking the stimulus data — as well as a host of other government databases.

    Additionally, Mercatus found that stimulus funds were not disbursed geographically with any special regard for low-income Americans. “We find no correlation between economic indicators and stimulus funding. Preliminary results find no statistically significant effect of unemployment, median income or mean income on stimulus funds allocation,” said the report.

    jc

    December 20, 2009 at 11:20 pm

  62. Tal:

    This article on Mary MacKillop in Scotland On Sunday is a very good one, I thought.

    I hope she keeps on eye out for you too, Tal – a tough woman after her own heart.

    C.L.

    December 20, 2009 at 11:38 pm

  63. In the spirit of white people paying not-white people to stay poor – but taking it to the next level – see also POP OFFSETS, a service that allows rich white people to offset their carbon emissions by providing not-white people with family planning that reduces the number of not-white people.

    C.L.

    December 21, 2009 at 12:00 am

  64. I’m rapt about Mother M CL also Father D.I’d fly to Italy next year but I’m ever wary about my footprint.
    I have it on good authority that St Mary wasn’t real fussed about Pandas either 🙂

    tal

    December 21, 2009 at 12:31 am

  65. Steve From Brisbane:

    The world has supposedly been emitting C02 since the advent of the Industrial revolution. For you and all those Harry Clarke conservative (doctors wives) types that say we should do the right thing and adopt inter-generational equity, which therefore means a Nic Stern like invisible discount rate, how much of a sacrifice would you have asked of say someone born at the turn of last century in the US that was earning $1,600? How much of a sacrifice would you have asked of them? Answer please.

    And why exactly are you asking that we take on the heavy load for past generations emissions to offer a gift to richer future generations? We’re as rich as they will be and we’re as responsible as future generations for the emissions of those people in the past, such as 1900. Remember that the estimated man-made CO2 in the atmosphere is accumulated over the past 150 or so we’re told and so our generation is not responsible for all of it.

    Answer the questions?

    Hint.

    Our position in time to future generations in 2100 is similar as people in 1900 wealth wise even by the estimates of the IPCC.

    The next question I have for you and that huge brained mammal, Rog (only kidding, Rog is not a huge brained mammal), is that the ETS has been operational in the EU for the past 9 years or so. However if the ETS is some successful why is Germany building more coal-fired plants? Why is the entire EU building more coal-fired plants despite an operational ETS? Can I tell you why? Renewable sources are pure, unadulterated shit, that’s why. They don’t fucking work.

    The real answer is technology, you idiots. It’s not a stupid ETS. It’s fast paced technological advancement such as fast breeder reactors.

    jc

    December 21, 2009 at 2:47 am

  66. We’re as rich as they will be and we’re as responsible as future generations for the emissions of those people in the past, such as 1900.

    Cleaning up this sentence.

    We as comparatively rich/poor to people in 2100 as people in 1900 are to us.

    ———–

    Stern did a lot of damage to the way we think about this. Garnaut was just as bad if not worse. Their reports are positively sophomoric and deserve nothing but scorn.

    jc

    December 21, 2009 at 2:52 am

  67. According to the Catholic Herald:

    Earlier this month leaders from most of the world’s nations met in Copenhagen for the UN Climate Change Conference to discuss reducing their carbon emissions. And the Pope said that solving the crises would require people to work together and take responsibility for their individual actions. Specifically, a solution would require “a lifestyle marked by sobriety and solidarity, with new rules and forms of engagement, one which focuses confidently and courageously on strategies that actually work, while decisively rejecting those that have failed”.

    http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/articles/a0000711.shtml

    According to CL: there is no issue to be addressed, and the fact that a bunch of dictators were also in attendance at a UN conference helped to prove it.

    Do get with your Church, CL.

    steve from brisbane

    December 21, 2009 at 7:46 am

  68. You might have seen the Day After Tommorrow, but I far prefer the Day After Copenhagen:

    http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2009/12/its-just-weather.html

    dover_beach

    December 21, 2009 at 10:03 am

  69. The great Bird-Quiggers experiment is coming to an end.
    Not with a whimper but with a bang

    http://graemebird.wordpress.com/2009/12/18/lets-see-if-george-monbiot-will-answer-this-question/#comment-25866

    I’ve virtually given up hope at getting anything more through at Quiggins place.

    I must try not to lose my temper at him quite yet.

    jtfsoon

    December 21, 2009 at 10:17 am

  70. oops those words under the link should be in italics – Birdy’s not mine

    [fixed that Sinc]

    jtfsoon

    December 21, 2009 at 10:26 am

  71. “The great Bird-Quiggers experiment is coming to an end.”

    And thank god for that. The stupid fucker’s finally hit rock-bottom. The only place he can post is his own comedy website.

    BirdLab

    December 21, 2009 at 10:33 am

  72. Steve from Brisbane.

    Honestly man, who gives a fuck what the pope thinks about co2?

    You?

    jc

    December 21, 2009 at 10:42 am

  73. Poor old birdie.
    He’s only got “no, birdie is not the messiah, he’s a big lardball head” conversing with him sometimes.

    jc

    December 21, 2009 at 10:48 am

  74. apparently he’s been sending abusive emails to George Moonbat

    jtfsoon

    December 21, 2009 at 10:51 am

  75. And have you seen how Bird the atheist is now buying into the whole Intelligent Design crock?

    http://graemebird.wordpress.com/2009/12/20/dr-david-berlinski-on-intelligent-design/

    BirdLab

    December 21, 2009 at 10:56 am

  76. (Sinc please ignore those comments in moderation as it was a mistake. I forgot to change the ailas when I visit Birdie’s site.)

    “apparently he’s been sending abusive emails to George Moonbat”

    Really, how do you know?

    I suppose he’s reporting it on his blog, so the cops have running commentary after the threats against the PM.

    (Some of us will visit you, provided you’re behind a glass wall and there is a telephone connection on both sides).

    jc

    December 21, 2009 at 10:59 am

  77. right at the bottom of that Monbiot thread, JC. He calls George a ‘dishonest c-word’

    jtfsoon

    December 21, 2009 at 11:03 am

  78. I think given all the abusive emails he sends, Birdy would have a harder time getting into some countries than David Irving.

    jtfsoon

    December 21, 2009 at 11:04 am

  79. The idiot doesn’t seem to realize that if the security services get hold of the comments he made against the PM they stick him in a cell for 6 months in the remand section and tell him to gripe about his civil rights to the judge in 2012… when his case comes up.

    He’s such a moron.

    jc

    December 21, 2009 at 11:13 am

  80. “right at the bottom of that Monbiot thread, JC. He calls George a ‘dishonest c-word’ ”

    Come, come Jason. Don’t you recognise real people-skills when you see them?

    BirdLab

    December 21, 2009 at 11:17 am

  81. The Catholic Church has no opinion on any technical “solution” to the temperature of the planet. The pope has made clear, however, that withour respect for human ecology (vis-a-vis abortion, euthanasia and genetic engineering), all plans and designs vis-a-vis planetary ecology will fail.

    Steve agrees with the pope, I’m heartened to say. Interesting too that Steve now admits that warmenism is a religious question.

    C.L.

    December 21, 2009 at 12:11 pm

  82. I hope The Pope writes a poem about the planet,Al Gore’s was a real treat to hear.

    tal

    December 21, 2009 at 12:15 pm

  83. C.L.

    December 21, 2009 at 12:16 pm

  84. Tal, I’ve been reading a few of the articles on St Mary Mackillop and noticed one yesterday where a righteous feminist claimed Mary was a saint for our times because of high unemployment, the economic crisis and racial disharmony. In other words, she was trying to reduce Mary to a lefty icon. Strange, I thought, that she censored a rather important biographical detail about the Josephite foundress’s struggles. One of which, of course, was the trouble she got in (1870) for her absolute refusal to accept money from the government.

    C.L.

    December 21, 2009 at 12:21 pm

  85. interesting book recommendations from Quadrant contributors including Barnaby Joyce (!)

    http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/qed/2009/12/christmas-reading

    jtfsoon

    December 21, 2009 at 12:21 pm

  86. Like you said before CL,Mary Mackillop was a very strong women,somehow I don’t think she undertook a Gender Studies course in her spare time 🙂

    tal

    December 21, 2009 at 12:29 pm

  87. HAHAHAHA!

    C.L.

    December 21, 2009 at 12:33 pm

  88. I really don’t understand the fuss with polar bears. They’re friggen white versions of their other trash can hitting cousins further south.

    If people are that enamored with seeing white bears, spray paint some brown ones white and you end up with lovely white bears.

    jc

    December 21, 2009 at 12:36 pm

  89. Is that young Australian Ghandi back on his tucker yet?

    tal

    December 21, 2009 at 12:37 pm

  90. Bill Leak’s cartoon on Copenhagen.

    C.L.

    December 21, 2009 at 12:37 pm

  91. Jase:

    barn- door’s choices are titles 15 years old. The dude hasn’t read any recent books by that account.

    jc

    December 21, 2009 at 12:37 pm

  92. In Mexico for some reason they paint the donkeys to look like zebras thus increasing the zebra population 🙂

    tal

    December 21, 2009 at 12:38 pm

  93. tal

    December 21, 2009 at 12:39 pm

  94. Polar bears are useless tal.

    BirdLab

    December 21, 2009 at 12:41 pm

  95. Which is not a cardinal sin of ocurse. Homer says he read all those books on Nazi Germany on a fact finding mission and came away from that wearing brown shorts and getting emotionally carried away with Nazi economics. It ruined him.

    Rudd reads a few books by a German philosopher and goes off the deep end writing appalling essays on philosophy and economics he knows nothing about.

    These two morons are sort proof positive that too much information can be a dangerous thing.

    jc

    December 21, 2009 at 12:42 pm

  96. I was surprised with “On Liberty”

    tal

    December 21, 2009 at 12:42 pm

  97. Well the bear hanging from the bridge is certainly useless BirdLab

    tal

    December 21, 2009 at 12:44 pm

  98. much more surprising is barnaby reading a biography of a red hot chilli pepppers singer

    jtfsoon

    December 21, 2009 at 12:44 pm

  99. Sinc, you might like this post by Douglass and Christy on the shenanigans that followed their submission to IJC of the Douglass et al (2007) paper at American Thinker:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/a_climatology_conspiracy.html

    What a disgusting and discreditable abuse of editorial processes involving peer review. Santer comes off as a rather ‘questionable’ individual. In fact, so do the co-authors by mere association; they knew what was going on and went along with it. McGregor, the IJC editor, is simply a ventriloquist’s doll pretending to be a journal editor. Osborn’s role is also rather ‘questionable’.

    This really is a slow burn. Deserving of a thread all its own I think.

    dover_beach

    December 21, 2009 at 12:45 pm

  100. They play Red Hot Chilli Peppers at B&S Balls Jase 🙂

    tal

    December 21, 2009 at 12:46 pm

  101. if we’re really concerned about the polar bear population we ought to send a pioneer settlement down in the South Pole to keep a breading colony down there.

    There would wake the penguin population in no time. In any event they sort behave kinda arrogant like out of the water thinking there’s no natural predators on the ground. That would wipe the smiles off their faces.

    jc

    December 21, 2009 at 12:49 pm

  102. apologia:
    if I offended anyone’s religious beliefs I’m sorry, as I just got carried away.
    ————

    Birdlab: Aviation talk…

    I bought a little Qaintass this morning. Morgan Stanley put them on their conviction buy list with a target price of $3.45 suggesting that not just load factor is improving and but yield (what they sell the tickets for) is heading up too. The company came out with some relatively decent guidance for 2010 today as it appears.

    It appears that Jetstar is the diamond in that group as they’re able to better deal with non-union labor compared to Qantas.

    Thinks it’s worth a bet.

    jc

    December 21, 2009 at 1:03 pm

  103. Thanks for the telegraph link, CL.

    On the one hand I’m absolutely gobsmacked at Doc. Pachauri’s entrepreneurial abilities.

    the dude saw all these opportunities and went for it.

    jc

    December 21, 2009 at 1:11 pm

  104. Pachauri and Gore are like Paul Newman and Robert Redford in The Sting. Master grifters.

    C.L.

    December 21, 2009 at 1:37 pm

  105. And why was so much effort expended on ‘gaming’ the peer review process in respect of the Douglass et al (2007) paper? Because it implied that the incongruity between the models and the observations indicated the sensitivity of the climate to a doubling of CO2 in the atmosphere may be exaggerated in the models by a factor or 2-4. This won’t do if you’re peddling catastphorism.

    dover_beach

    December 21, 2009 at 1:40 pm

  106. Ross Garnaut says Australia will have to raise its emissions reduction target by five times to honour the Copenhagen “Accord.” Rudd’s chief “climate change” adviser also now concedes that Tony Abbott was right:

    However, he said the Prime Minister would have to wait until he discovered what the world was doing before he committed to such a target.

    “I think we’ve got to wait. The wise thing is to wait and talk to others,” he said.

    And, of course, it wouldn’t be a warmening story without some apocalyptic biolerplate:

    “This is hard, It is the hardest issue that has been before our polity in living memory. It’s critical for civilisation that we get it right. Humanity may not get it right. That’s a fact of life.”

    Australia’s pissant ETS: saving civilisation, saving HUMANITY!

    C.L.

    December 21, 2009 at 1:42 pm

  107. Too sad for words.

    C.L.

    December 21, 2009 at 3:05 pm

  108. This story is likely to get bigger.

    C.L.

    December 21, 2009 at 3:08 pm

  109. Education schmeducation

    “One finding that might surprise some people is that the education level of the labor force isn’t nearly as important for the overall economic performance of a nation as commonly thought… How did you reach that conclusion?”

    http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2009/12/fp2p_the_book_h.html

    pedro

    December 21, 2009 at 4:33 pm

  110. LOL.

    A brief, pictorial post from Damien Thompson:

    Copenhagen world leaders refuse to listen to the voices of reason.

    C.L.

    December 21, 2009 at 7:08 pm

  111. tal

    December 22, 2009 at 11:43 am

  112. Hey Tal, check out these righteous “Christian elephants.”

    C.L.

    December 22, 2009 at 11:57 am

  113. Bloody Hell !!!!!

    tal

    December 22, 2009 at 12:44 pm

  114. Shakespeare a Catholic.

    C.L.

    December 22, 2009 at 12:51 pm

  115. Oh course

    tal

    December 22, 2009 at 12:55 pm

  116. Sorry of course

    tal

    December 22, 2009 at 1:00 pm

  117. Funniest comment of the week:

    Lorne Greene is “the Ambassador”? What’s he going to do, negotiate a settlement with the Tidal Wavians?

    Almost as hilarious as an “accord” to turn down the planet’s temperature by two degrees.

    C.L.

    December 22, 2009 at 3:24 pm

  118. C.L.,
    I have heard these theories before. If it were true about Shakespeare he would not have made the several geographic howlers he did make in his Italian plays. I think it can safely be discounted that he was in Italy – although he could have been a Roman Catholic.

    Andrew

    December 22, 2009 at 3:30 pm

  119. I don’t know enough about it – or Shakespeare – to say, Andrew. Still, having moved to strange cities myself, it is conceivable that one could write in those strange places while bungling the geography. isn’t that what newbies do? As I say, though, I don’t profess to know.

    C.L.

    December 22, 2009 at 3:38 pm

  120. C.L.,
    It would take more than a newby to put Milan on the coast, for example.

    Andrew

    December 22, 2009 at 3:42 pm

  121. A bit of global warming and Milan would be back on the coast 🙂

    Sinclair Davidson

    December 22, 2009 at 3:44 pm

  122. Henry Ergas has an excellent critique of access regulation up on Agenda

    http://epress.anu.edu.au/agenda/016/04/pdf/03.pdf

    jtfsoon

    December 23, 2009 at 9:17 am

  123. jc

    December 24, 2009 at 2:11 am

  124. One of the best, jc, I agree.
    The travesty is that Ford did not need a government rescue and suffers because two of its competitors were saved from what would have been a very good case for creative destruction.

    Ken Nielsen

    December 24, 2009 at 5:34 am

  125. C.L.,

    there is nothing bullying about my tone, if you don’t mind, it is an honest and respectful critique of Randi. As for being Maoist, are you kidding?

    -Massimo Pigliucci

    Massimo Pigliucci

    December 31, 2009 at 2:50 pm


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