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SAMANTHA ARMYTAGE:
Tony, what’s your vision for the country?
TONY ABBOTT:
I mistrust governments that have grand visions that they want to impose on other people. I think that a Liberal government, a Liberal/conservative government should try to help individuals and communities to realise their visions. So I want a country where each one of the 22 million Australians feels that he or she can have a better life and is empowered to go for that better life rather than feeling burdened by intrusive government or oppressed by other people who are getting in their way rather than sustaining them.

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Written by Admin

December 16, 2009 at 8:17 pm

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  1. Well there ya go.

    Abbott wants to centralise power from the states

    rog

    December 16, 2009 at 9:13 pm

  2. rog – power is already centralised.

    catallaxyf

    December 16, 2009 at 11:21 pm

  3. test

    Sinclair Davidson

    December 16, 2009 at 11:40 pm

  4. test2

    Sinclair Davidson

    December 17, 2009 at 12:03 am

  5. and there’s rumors he also wants to have sex with his neighbors dog, Rog, but out of the two I would say the fear of taking power over from say the Bligh and NSW labor government is the scariest. You clown, rog..

    Jc

    December 17, 2009 at 12:39 am

  6. I’m with rog on this. centralisation might sound great when you like the centraliser. Think Lib IR reform (ignorning the bad bits). But then the other team takes over and the centralisation you were cheering for turns into fair work australia or some such crap.

    pedro

    December 17, 2009 at 2:07 am

  7. This from a guy who thinks some people are poor because they drink, smoke and gamble.

    sdfc

    December 17, 2009 at 3:46 am

  8. “This from a guy who thinks some people are poor because they drink, smoke and gamble.”

    Yes clearly wrong causation. The wastefully drink smoke and gamble for the same reason that they are poor.

    pedro

    December 17, 2009 at 4:02 am

  9. Is that so Pedro?

    sdfc

    December 17, 2009 at 3:29 pm

  10. It just proves that Abbott speaks out of both corners of his mouth, he both distrusts govt and advocates for increased centralisation of power

    rog

    December 17, 2009 at 4:32 pm

  11. sdfc, what do you think is the link between wasting money in the pokies and the pub and being poor. A failure of society to provide meaningful and rewarding employment opportunities?

    pedro

    December 17, 2009 at 5:12 pm

  12. It may be just me but I don’t see how a response to a question criticizing intrusive government and grand political visions necessarily contradicts what Abbott has said regarding centralization (which is nothing more than a suggestion that conservatives should look pragmatically at centralization rather than being opposed to it in principle). These are powers already exercised by government; they are not its extension. So, no, Rog, you haven’t shown Abbott talks from both corners of his mouth; but rather that you’re talking through your hat.

    dover_beach

    December 17, 2009 at 5:25 pm

  13. So wasting money on the pokeys, or ciggies and alcohol is the primary cause of poverty then Pedro?

    Is it your vast life experience that has brought you to this conclusion?

    sdfc

    December 17, 2009 at 5:51 pm

  14. Well said DB.

    Conservatives don’t want weak government, just small government that does the things that governments should, with a minimum of fuss.

    Rococo Liberal

    December 17, 2009 at 5:53 pm

  15. sdfc, you must not have read what I wrote. I said that some people who are poor and who waste money on gambling and other “sins”, are so and do from the same cause.

    Separately, I think it fair to say that people who are poor will be less so if they don’t gamble and drink, but clearly the odd beer is practically irrelevant which is why I earlier said wasteful drinking etc.

    pedro

    December 17, 2009 at 6:08 pm

  16. “Conservatives don’t want weak government, just small government ”

    = stronger government (probably will go straight over your head)

    rog

    December 17, 2009 at 9:08 pm

  17. Small and strong, rather than big inefficient and interfering.

    Rococo Liberal

    December 18, 2009 at 11:54 am


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