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Countdown to the Ashes

with 200 comments

Unless you’ve been living under a rock, you know that Australia lost the Ashes last time around, and that the Poms are heading our way this summer and we’ll be doing our best to reclaim what we consider (almost) our property.

This post is just to let people know that I’ll be putting Ashes related posts up on Catallaxy from time to time, sometimes by me, sometimes by other people. With any sort of luck there should be a couple of exclusive pieces along the way from leading Australian cricket writers. I’ll also be putting up cricket links. This week I’ll start with Cricinfo’s Ashes page. Cricinfo represents a great example of the global influence of the Indian diaspora. Originally hosted in the US and (largely) set up by cricket-starved Indians living there, it grew and grew until it was bought out by Wisden, cricket’s biggest publisher. Wisden was founded in 1864, and is the longest running sports annual in history.

The site has had its critics, even copping the moniker ‘cruddyinfo’ on several cricket-based discussion forums a few years ago. This was in response to the tendency for statistics to load very slowly for any game where India was involved. Cricinfo has moved on since then, and is a good source of commentary, particularly from the subcontinent. Jason’s argumentative Indians certainly prove themselves worthy of the name, especially when it comes to their country’s national passion.

With that in mind, I’d like to open Catallaxy’s first Ashes post with that great sporting standby: the selector game. The first test is in Brisbane, starting November 23. What combination of players is most likely to see the Ashes return ‘home’?


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October 22, 2006 at 9:37 pm

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  1. If recent form is any guide, Selection for the Ashes will be even more of a balls-up than it was last time.

    I’m tipping Mark Cosgrove and Shane Watson to open the batting, Justin Langer to take the gloves and Matthew Hayden to open the bowling downwind.


    October 23, 2006 at 2:31 am

  2. As long as the half-wit doesn’t say ‘we’ll have a bowl’ while they’re still carrying off the injured opening bowler. Or take the light when there are games to be won.

    Sinclair Davidson

    October 23, 2006 at 7:06 am

  3. Apparently Matty Hayden has just copped a dose of dog bite – he was out jogging near his parents’ place in Kingaroy when it happened.

    And yair, one would hope that Punter has learnt how to, umm, adapt his strategy to the circumstances.


    October 23, 2006 at 7:27 am

  4. Should we perhaps have created a more generic “sport” tag, rather than cricket? I’ve been known to post here on the netball from time to time.


    October 23, 2006 at 7:46 am

  5. I’ll do that, Heath.

    Mind you the categories don’t seem to be working properly just yet, and I’m the only one using them.


    October 23, 2006 at 8:03 am

  6. Done, but still don’t know how to move all the ‘uncategorized’ posts into ‘General’.


    October 23, 2006 at 8:10 am

  7. The side is probably close to set with most players rusted into their spots, Interesting to see if Jason Gillespie gets another run. Although Michael Clarke is young etc his form in England was horrible. On “Offsiders” yesterday there was the suggestion made that Watson should bat at 6 or 7 as a specialist batsman and making an opening for McGill….however, McGill might be in trouble for an incident in a club game. Two spinners on the “Gabba” is not a bad idea. Warne has always played well at Brisbane.


    October 23, 2006 at 8:15 am

  8. well it can’t be as good as the last one but I am apprehensive we will have ‘spinning’ pitches here instead of rock hard bouncy pitches we usually have.
    Of course when the poms do that they cheat.
    If it happens here as it has regularly we merely blame the groundsman.

    The single best example of the last ashes series was Freddy congratulating Brett Lee.

    As the coach of young boys playing the great game can I merely say.
    Australia lift your game.
    I get sick of telling my boys the way Australia plays cricket is wrong and shows a poor attitude.

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    October 23, 2006 at 8:18 am

  9. A lot of people don’t like the carry-on that a lot of sides have gotten into of late. I also suspect Australia started it and other sides are now following suit.

    Only last week the head of the PCB got up his players for overdoing religion in the team, Gayle and Clarke had a set-to and then there was the whole forfeit fiasco in the UK. I actually want Gideon to write about this as he has some very interesting insight into the issue. Watch this space!

    And personally I prefer bouncy pitches – and so, I think, does Shane Warne. He gets more from the bounce than most spinners.


    October 23, 2006 at 8:37 am

  10. Arthur Morris and Sid Barnes to open the batting and hide Homer Paxton deep at deep (very) third man, humming the Harry Lime Theme in the sewers.


    October 23, 2006 at 8:51 am

  11. that is actually the most ironic point.
    All bowlers like bouncy pitches because that is what gets wickets.
    Batsmen like bouncy wickets also because it hives one confidence in shot-making.

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    October 23, 2006 at 8:51 am

  12. Speaking of bouncy pitches, a look at scores out of the WACA will tell you that the old days of it being a fast, bouncy track are well and truly over. It’s a road now. WA scored 3 for 600 last week, and now Tasmania are having a fun time batting on it.


    October 23, 2006 at 9:22 am

  13. sack the curator.
    bowlers do notl ike it nor do fans.
    They want to see a contest not a bore

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    October 23, 2006 at 9:30 am

  14. Warne and MacGill will both bowl well on any pitch. Not picking MacGill in England was just one of a series of selection blunders that cost us the ashes.


    October 23, 2006 at 11:28 am

  15. Done, but still don’t know how to move all the ‘uncategorized’ posts into ‘General’.

    You could reclassify the few posts in “general” as “uncategorised” and then rename the category “general” and leave it as the default.


    October 23, 2006 at 1:12 pm

  16. this is all Greek to me except for Zoe’s comment.

    Jason Soon

    October 23, 2006 at 1:13 pm

  17. Sport is a zero sum game. If someone wins someone else still loses and will leave with ashes in their mouth.

    There. I’ve made a pun on this subject at least.

    Jason Soon

    October 23, 2006 at 1:24 pm

  18. Yeah, I’m right on point as usual ; )


    October 23, 2006 at 1:24 pm

  19. Cricket is Zen for Anglos…


    October 23, 2006 at 2:02 pm

  20. what about saying the Ashes will be the death of you Jase?

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    October 23, 2006 at 2:15 pm

  21. If you want to “urn” more respect you will have to come up with a better pun.


    October 23, 2006 at 3:33 pm

  22. I can’t I am stumped.
    Perhaps it is my silly leg which is a bumper edition

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    October 23, 2006 at 3:57 pm

  23. I am bowled over by your punning.
    You have Warned me out.

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    October 23, 2006 at 3:59 pm

  24. Can’t say I’m bowled over by that effort, Homer.


    October 23, 2006 at 4:01 pm

  25. Doh!

    Caught out!


    October 23, 2006 at 4:02 pm

  26. Jason you have taken Warney out of conTEXT.

    I am stumped by your comments FDB.Are you out on bails?

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    October 23, 2006 at 4:04 pm

  27. Pull the other one.

    I’ve got you on the back foot now, however you try and spin it.

    Something about a block quote.


    October 23, 2006 at 5:06 pm

  28. Okay we have now started a cricket punning competion, Homer you are contagious!

    MacGill has apparently stuffed his chances for the first test by getting into some dust-up in a club game. Does anyone know the details? And c8to, can you follow Zoe’s advice on renaming the categories? I think I know what she means but am terrified that I will stuff something up – and Catallaxy has had enough of that lately.


    October 23, 2006 at 5:11 pm

  29. by hook or crook I will pull your argument apart by sweeping aside your putrid arguments

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    October 23, 2006 at 5:12 pm

  30. If you ask for a pun about blocking people will “boycott” this thread.


    October 23, 2006 at 5:12 pm

  31. .50cal

    October 23, 2006 at 5:19 pm

  32. Must have been pretty serious to cop a ban like that. I remember when Lillee got into strife for asking the umpire when he was going to buy some new glasses. Things have moved on since then.


    October 23, 2006 at 5:22 pm

  33. Poor Stuart. He suffers from what I call the Tim Zoerer syndrome (no, not fucking the chairman of selector’s daughter, though that didn’t help I’m sure). He’s a bit of a prick, and feels wrongly or rightly a sense of entitlement. Not sportsmanlike enough for a stiff-upper-lip game like cricket.

    Though perhaps that sort of upstanding politeness is becoming a bit of an Inverarity.


    October 23, 2006 at 5:29 pm

  34. if he has showed disrespect towards the umpire then give him a season and wake up all theses people

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    October 23, 2006 at 5:29 pm

  35. He probably feels like a Lillee on a dustbin


    October 23, 2006 at 5:30 pm

  36. Homer, now you’ve got .50cal doing it.

    But yes, there has been a noticeable decline in manners of late. Although I still say it’s not just Australia.


    October 23, 2006 at 5:34 pm

  37. damned hard to coach young kiddies the spirit of cricket ( it is how you play the game not whether you win or not etc) when the Australian team does the complete opposite of what you are saying.

    He has gatting it. what a gooch. I have hadlee too much of this.

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    October 23, 2006 at 5:38 pm

  38. Sledging is a part of cricket….the better part of cricket
    You can’t Marsh to the beat of a different drum.


    October 23, 2006 at 5:49 pm

  39. you have to go and confess in the chappell

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    October 23, 2006 at 5:51 pm

  40. Only in the Chappell of Love



    October 23, 2006 at 5:54 pm

  41. .50cal, are you related to Homer by any chance?

    Just askin.


    October 23, 2006 at 6:08 pm

  42. hey that was an underarmed comment or was it a slip?

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    October 23, 2006 at 8:45 pm

  43. Gully gee wizz how do you top an underarm pun?


    October 24, 2006 at 7:43 am

  44. get a third man?

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    October 24, 2006 at 10:01 am

  45. Hell why not a 12th man?


    October 24, 2006 at 10:38 am

  46. He is trying to bowl a maiden over

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    October 24, 2006 at 11:06 am

  47. do you have a handicap, Homer?

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    October 24, 2006 at 11:57 am

  48. I didn’t get any of these “jokes”, so I had to googly them.


    October 24, 2006 at 12:11 pm

  49. That one took the inside edge


    October 24, 2006 at 12:21 pm

  50. good gully miss molly I missed that

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    October 24, 2006 at 12:28 pm

  51. Why don’t we give the flipper to the gully puns, they’ve warned out their welcome.


    October 24, 2006 at 2:25 pm

  52. the chinaman has them the wicket man

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    October 24, 2006 at 2:28 pm

  53. you’ll lose your wicket to a mankad if you step over the line like that again.


    October 24, 2006 at 2:46 pm

  54. you do that and I will Sikh you out you bedi cheat

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    October 24, 2006 at 2:49 pm

  55. Ok…. I’ll shoulder arms to that delivery.


    October 24, 2006 at 2:51 pm

  56. you are just trying to constantine me but I don’t want a worrell in this weekes

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    October 24, 2006 at 2:57 pm

  57. Doosra-ight thing and give me one pun at a time!


    October 24, 2006 at 2:58 pm

  58. I hadlee over the bareel with my crowe bar

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    October 24, 2006 at 4:02 pm

  59. If you HAD-Bret-LEE over a barrell I hope you’ve never watched “Deliverance”


    October 24, 2006 at 4:41 pm

  60. I’m Border this.

    Hughes can knock yourselves out.


    October 24, 2006 at 5:03 pm

  61. It’s no use Ponting the finger at me he started it,


    October 24, 2006 at 5:06 pm

  62. You hussey, I have a mallet I have jennered just for you

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    October 24, 2006 at 7:43 pm

  63. York,York, York…..that Jenner pun was a wrong’un

    Good to see Langer get amongst it against the Tasmaniacs, although the WACA is road


    October 25, 2006 at 7:36 am

  64. I will blow my own trumper please/

    WACA is a disgrace. A slow batsman paradise is the sign of a groundsman that should be sacked.
    The test will be a draw

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    October 25, 2006 at 8:11 am

  65. They can’t produce a featherbed like that for the test but it will do Langer no end of good to spend such a long time in the middle.

    As for the Trumper pun….it’s a dis-Grace.


    October 25, 2006 at 8:31 am

  66. why do you spofforth. I have noble aims as my Armisstrong you mailey dog

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    October 25, 2006 at 9:37 am

  67. Call me a dog will you!! I’ll kick your buttocks…both’em.

    I double dog dare you to get a pun out of “Duckworth/Lewis”.


    October 25, 2006 at 9:52 am

  68. It would only take one-day

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    October 25, 2006 at 9:54 am

  69. Daniel that’s worth a duck….it’s raining puns.


    October 25, 2006 at 10:26 am

  70. I was being lewis with the truth because I do not know what a duckisworth

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    October 25, 2006 at 10:46 am

  71. Slow Clap “Well played sir”, no duck for that ‘Itz rasing arkross the outfeeld loike a tracer boolet…Bull”


    October 25, 2006 at 11:05 am

  72. I have rung up david’s son to bring over the Lawry with is grout to deal with you I’m tallon you

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    October 25, 2006 at 11:12 am

  73. you two are batty …

    Jason Soon

    October 25, 2006 at 11:13 am

  74. Jason no four play is allowed

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    October 25, 2006 at 11:26 am

  75. Willow-nly stop when we’re run out


    October 25, 2006 at 11:37 am

  76. As I slipped under the covers last night (noting a couple of fine legs beside me) I thought of this thread, and whether it would ever run out of material. Seams like everyone’s still in stitches, so I thought I’d pad it out a little more. Wouldn’t want to get boxed in.


    October 25, 2006 at 11:39 am

  77. I do nothing wilowingly.
    I havr to have luncj now. I am opening a can of jardines a hobbsian choice if ever there was one.
    I might have to jonty up the rhodes and throw a joslin in Eastwood to hit a booth.

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    October 25, 2006 at 11:41 am

  78. Homer
    Your puns make me want to chuck.

    Jason Soon

    October 25, 2006 at 11:42 am

  79. Also, I’m looking forward to the cricket. We will win, although I fear this talk of a dead WACA track is right on the money. Short of completely changing their grounds staff (or flying in a piece of Merri Creek magic) I can’t see how they’ll fix it.

    Starting with a draw would be a shame – so much better playing tit-for-tat.


    October 25, 2006 at 11:43 am

  80. is that why people say you have no-balls

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  81. First test is at the Gabba where if it rains (as so often it does in November in Brisbane) we might get a draw….other than that I cannot believe the WACA staff will prepare a featherbed.

    As for being under the covers with a souple of fine legs I hope there was no slip and no extras.


    October 25, 2006 at 11:54 am

  82. no unless there is a long on as I pointed out before.
    no sheehan around now.
    I ‘m having lunch now since I’ve had a woodfull of this

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    October 25, 2006 at 12:04 pm

  83. No slip nor extras, thankfully .50cal

    An Alderman Wood have had a heart attack. Sobers you up, a sight like that.


    October 25, 2006 at 12:28 pm

  84. Don’t make a Hogg out of yourself.


    October 25, 2006 at 12:28 pm

  85. you are putting a rod on your own back so I will boycott you.

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    October 25, 2006 at 12:36 pm

  86. Nope, it’s never going to run out of material at this rate FDB. Mind you people might have to start international name punning – we’ll start running out of Aussies soon.

    And yes, a flat WACA doesn’t exactly inspire confidence.


    October 25, 2006 at 12:38 pm

  87. only a wacca could like the pitch in perth

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    October 25, 2006 at 12:51 pm

  88. Has it been doctored?


    October 25, 2006 at 2:19 pm

  89. No it is dead

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    October 25, 2006 at 2:26 pm

  90. Could be a good place to bring Kaspa back to life.


    October 25, 2006 at 2:36 pm

  91. you don’t have a ghost of a chance. stop Gilesing me

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    October 25, 2006 at 2:44 pm

  92. We’re in the nervous ninties don’t let any go though to the keeper, Yoour in like flint and off like old cheese today!


    October 25, 2006 at 3:34 pm

  93. By godfrey you are on the stackpole for success.

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    October 25, 2006 at 3:59 pm

  94. Perhaps the red path to glory


    October 25, 2006 at 4:06 pm

  95. not using mcKenzies menthoids

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    October 25, 2006 at 4:07 pm

  96. I’m going to get French cutlets for tea tonight in honour of this dashing century.


    October 25, 2006 at 4:23 pm

  97. Singh for your supper.


    October 25, 2006 at 4:27 pm

  98. you have been drinking too many cairns.

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    October 25, 2006 at 4:28 pm

  99. Getting little tubby, too.


    October 25, 2006 at 4:33 pm

  100. I know two people who have been into ham most of today. But if we get the reverse swing going it will be roast Lamb for dinner!


    October 25, 2006 at 4:34 pm

  101. A considerable Boon to the local ale-houses, I fear. Taylor-made wardrobe soon required.


    October 25, 2006 at 4:35 pm

  102. A Taylor made pun.


    October 25, 2006 at 4:36 pm

  103. is he an early opener?
    he always arriver slater

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    October 25, 2006 at 4:38 pm

  104. You know, this is actually pretty clever. The only problem is that Gideon’s reading it right now and he probably thinks we’re all off in la-la land.


    October 25, 2006 at 8:57 pm

  105. And who pray tell is Gideon when he’s not dropping bibles in hotel rooms? and what’s it to him?


    October 26, 2006 at 7:43 am

  106. cmon,

    She isn’t serious she is only gideon you. That will tate you

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    October 26, 2006 at 8:21 am

  107. Don’t hold back…tell me Watson ya mind brother?


    October 26, 2006 at 8:26 am

  108. that made me grimmet.

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    October 26, 2006 at 9:56 am

  109. You’ve been Bracken your neck to get that one in.


    October 26, 2006 at 10:18 am

  110. Come on punnsters, when are we going to see some more Indian and Pakistani names?


    October 26, 2006 at 10:23 am

  111. Get Pataudi out of here. I wil try to engineer something but lots of lal

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    October 26, 2006 at 11:06 am

  112. “Indian and Pakistani names?”

    After creasing my brow to think of the correct delivery, I’d say there’s a whole Sehwag of openings there, SL.


    October 26, 2006 at 12:39 pm

  113. too many subs on the contintent!

    Now that has me in a spin

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    October 26, 2006 at 12:52 pm

  114. That’s Srinath for now.


    October 26, 2006 at 1:04 pm

  115. You write I imran

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    October 26, 2006 at 1:16 pm

  116. Truly classic, fellas, esp FDB’s comment 112.


    October 26, 2006 at 2:03 pm

  117. I can’t zaheer you at all. I think we need abbas in the choir though. Masood as possible

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    October 26, 2006 at 4:28 pm

  118. Homer
    As Birdy would say, stop being such a Fahim Khan

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    October 26, 2006 at 4:30 pm

  119. Jason: woot!


    October 26, 2006 at 4:33 pm

  120. we take offence at that.Miandad

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    October 26, 2006 at 4:46 pm

  121. It may be a Mushtaq to continue this – the Gayles of laughter having just about run out – so at risk of being an Astle I’ll just suggest this should go on Onlonga.


    October 26, 2006 at 5:08 pm

  122. This is classic, utterly classic (Gideon please quote or at least stick a link up on Cricinfo).

    Bloody funny as.


    October 26, 2006 at 5:47 pm

  123. you daPisa me off. such a precious patel. I will look in my bag of Majid tricks without a dermere a tayinthe field tonight

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    October 26, 2006 at 6:45 pm

  124. I Khan’t think why Butt the puns are Gatting worse.


    October 27, 2006 at 7:42 am

  125. I think you guys might finally be running out of steam…


    October 27, 2006 at 9:05 am

  126. SL you are in a bad Mahmoud.
    This has been a Rorker since I am a freeman even though I have a tich from the mossies last night

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    October 27, 2006 at 9:22 am

  127. I think we should let SL’s loolipop murili slide past for a few byes her stock ball is pretty pedestrian.


    October 27, 2006 at 10:02 am

  128. then it would end up in the parks. she is cunis so there is no snedded around this she needs a new corling

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    October 27, 2006 at 10:19 am

  129. I can’t believe you are being so critical of SL…..I thought you were Cosier than that.


    October 27, 2006 at 10:31 am

  130. you are turnering on me. don’t try and Joslin me you Wadakar

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    October 27, 2006 at 10:35 am

  131. Floundering. We need someone to Bacchus up. My Willis flagging. Some other Chappel have to step up.


    October 27, 2006 at 10:41 am

  132. Hughes all fill me with Merv

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  133. by Hill you clem has no basis. You hordern it all your self. you must have hit the Wall.
    lucky it was made out of larwood or you would look voce.
    you must have been a little tibby.

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  134. Alright, I’m out.

    Caught behind the 8 ball.



    October 27, 2006 at 10:50 am

  135. FDB Don’t walk … was a no ball and as everyone knows “Aussies only walk when they run out of petrol”


    October 27, 2006 at 11:12 am

  136. Unlike SL FDB is no darling. wood you say so?

    jeff in case I made a mosstake I will alow you to sleep over at my higgs but watch out for the snow I’m broad and going to philpott so do not walsh out on the dilip or no more Joshi from me.

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    October 27, 2006 at 11:31 am

  137. If we were paying you you would get Hafeez for those lousy puns. It’s a bit Ritchie asking me if FDB is a Darling…..


    October 27, 2006 at 11:48 am

  138. For a more polished soiree, swing round to my pad.

    Moody lighting, funky tunes… I could even marshall a vaas of flowers.

    Wait, looks like I’ve hit another winning streak!


    October 27, 2006 at 11:51 am

  139. that’s a heineous statement. right at the tayfield of the conversation.

    If it is good and proctor to marshall FDB then it is too edrich to stomach.

    be a trueman and don’t walsh on your promises.

    Sorry I cannot zaheer you

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    October 27, 2006 at 11:55 am

  140. “For a more polished soiree, swing round to my pad.

    Moody lighting, funky tunes… I could even marshall a vaas of flowers.”

    Naahh what’s needed is a Keith Milleresque lunch…a platefull of oysters followed by a huge steak and drowned with a bucket or two of red!! Back after tea for the final session.


    October 27, 2006 at 12:30 pm

  141. Good Lloyd that was some lunch….ahhhh I’ll just wander down to deep third man and try to be inconspicious.


    October 27, 2006 at 3:32 pm

  142. Like Thommo at a tour match in Kingston in 197(?), when he was seen to indulge in a draught of rum with some locals whilst fielding in the outer.

    Was there a spliff too, or am I projecting hateful stereotypes?


    October 27, 2006 at 3:42 pm

  143. you have hit the lindwall. you chant like gregory and tell apaulsen jokes

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    October 27, 2006 at 4:23 pm

  144. We don’t smoke marijuana in Muskogee;
    We don’t take our trips on LSD
    We don’t burn our draft cards down on Main Street;
    We like livin’ right, and bein’ free.

    I’m proud to be an Okie from Muskogee,
    A place where even squares can have a ball
    We still wave Old Glory down at the courthouse,
    And white lightnin’s still the biggest thrill of all


    October 27, 2006 at 4:39 pm

  145. that has me in tangles.

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    October 27, 2006 at 4:52 pm

  146. You’re maxing the puns now.


    October 27, 2006 at 4:57 pm

  147. I am very dexterous

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    October 27, 2006 at 5:15 pm

  148. are playing by different rauls

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    October 29, 2006 at 3:03 pm

  149. The Australians will have to Bracewell for their semi final against the Kiwis in the champions trophy. The Blackcaps (or should that be blackheads?) are Bond to lift for any trans-tasman clash.


    October 30, 2006 at 7:50 am

  150. its a shane you made that statement as it is not wright. you need to have some edgars for breakfast.
    perhaps you need to drink a redmond

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    October 30, 2006 at 8:56 am

  151. Astle enjoy watching Australia beat the blackheads.


    October 30, 2006 at 9:11 am

  152. don’t start your croweing here.
    you will have to turner the corner before we howarth to take you collinge because you didn’t wear a congdon

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    October 30, 2006 at 9:31 am

  153. Shuresh I respond you’ll Raina avalanche of bad puns on me.


    October 30, 2006 at 10:46 am

  154. you are lairding me on because I am an alderman to you.

    you neeed to do the hard yardleys instead of dyson around with me.

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    October 30, 2006 at 11:34 am

  155. Whatmore can I do?


    October 30, 2006 at 11:45 am

  156. that went ceylon past me

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  157. Don’t get Moody on me.


    October 30, 2006 at 11:57 am

  158. I am off to hohns my skills.

    I can’t favell your statements. they are too bland

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    October 30, 2006 at 12:00 pm

  159. Eddie Gilbert


    October 30, 2006 at 4:16 pm

  160. actually two admistrators in Oz are Gilbert and sutherland.

    I played cricket with Dave!!

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    October 30, 2006 at 4:54 pm

  161. In my opinion Eddie Gilbert was the greatest player to not play for Australia. Doubtless his colour played more than it’s part. Some things in cricket just aren’t funny. He could have been the Australian Jesse Owens…..but it wasn’t to be. He would have given Jardine something to think about.. Eddie died in a lunatic assylum.

    Dave Gilbert was a very handy cricketer. What grade did you play….or is this a school yarn?


    October 30, 2006 at 5:01 pm

  162. Eddie through the ball.

    I played with dave in Shires when he was a 16 yrold.

    I predicted he would play for Australioan.

    Another gangly kid around there was Gavin robertson

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    October 30, 2006 at 5:32 pm

  163. I have read allegations that Eddie Gilbert was a “chucker”, I don’t know… I have never seen film of him bowling to make a judgement. My understanding is that he came in off a short run and had a very fast slinging action. It would have been difficult to ascertain if he was throwing or not. Really quick bowlers will often be accused of throwing eg brett Lee and Shoab Aktar. The problem with the throwing rule is that every bowler bends the arm somewhere during the delivery. The only point where the arm has to be rigid is at the point of delivery. It is just one of those quirks of the game.

    Gavin Robertson was a good cricketer in his time.

    It’s a shitty time of year…all the anticipation of the test series and nothing but the Moo Moo cup minus the Champions trophy players to think about. If you’re not a punter October is very dull.

    What do you think of the way they now cram the Tests into the first half of the season? I would like a thread started on that topic but as I am new to this site I have no idea as to how to kick one off.

    I suspect everyone else is sick of the puns.


    October 31, 2006 at 7:42 am

  164. too much punning is bardslely enough!

    Gilbert bowled from a very short run-up and generated tremendous pace.
    It is highly unlikely he didn’t chuck.
    Chucking is cheating and now one can’t even call a chucker in a game!
    I hate chucking.

    5 tests in 7 weeks seems to me will generate a number of injuries and might take away from the series.

    On normal wickets the poms would clean us up easily as they possess better and faster bowlers but I suspect we will cheat again and some wickers will miracolously spin.

    Panesar looks the goods so we had better watch out. He looks the full monty.
    his motto is sikh and ye shall conquer

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    October 31, 2006 at 10:58 am

  165. My problem with the schedule is that it leaves things much as they are. You are right if a player is injured the will probably miss 2-3 tests. If a player is out of form they don’t get a chance to play themselves back into form. Thus if you are having a poor run at the begining of the season you will continue to have one. Similarly players in the pura cup don’t get the chance to press their claim for selection with a good series.

    I miss the Adelaide Australia day test. Pushing Brisbane forward into the storm season means that the Gabba tests are often played under the threat of rain.

    It isn’t fair on the visiting teams when Pakistan last toured Inzey was having a shocking run, he just didn’t get the chance to play himself into form.

    I agree we’ve had Hadlee enough puns.


    October 31, 2006 at 2:33 pm

  166. you can never have a woodfull of them as long as you can ponsford them.

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    October 31, 2006 at 3:02 pm

  167. I had high Hopes that you would not Maher the afternoon with such poor puns. But I shall be left to Nash my teeth as you clearly Love to pun and have no intention to Perret down to one pun per entry. But unlike a former Prime Minister I will not tell to N-off-ke….nor will I Bichel all afternoon like some may….but…. let me say in Broad terms as any good Queenslander will …..Eddie Gilbert was robbed!


    October 31, 2006 at 4:24 pm

  168. Iverson like that. he was a very gleeson but performed dainty near Albury dell he couldn’t appear

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    October 31, 2006 at 4:46 pm

  169. The ABC is talking ip the prospect of playing two spinners at the Gabba.

    I remember John Harms on the Offsiders about two weeks ago mooted playing Watson at number 6 to open up another bowling spot for Magill.

    If the bowling four were McGrath, Lee Warne and Magill Watson as a batsman would be a very good option. It would mean dropping either Martyn or Clarke to twelth man.

    Could work


    November 1, 2006 at 10:59 am

  170. I have wanted to play Watson for a long time as a Batsman who is a useful bowler.

    You do not need three pace bowlers on a spinning wicket and have an extra pace bowler on a greentop.

    He is a technically very good batsman.

    Needs modification on bowling action but they can happen. Good fieldsman too.

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    November 1, 2006 at 11:30 am

  171. It is probably a bit tough on the potential third quick but Warne and Magill usually get wickets in Brisbane. With the use of ground lights now there doesn’t seem to be the same need for a second spinner incase it gets murky…but Magill and Warne will be difficult for the Englishmen to fact first up. I don’t think Watson is in Flintoff’s class but if batted low in the order and not uses as a front line quick he would be very useful.

    If they don’t pick a second spinner who do you think should be the third quick and would there be any point in picking Watson ahead of either Clarke or Martyn?


    November 1, 2006 at 11:53 am

  172. There is rarely such a thing as an all rounder.

    I only rate Botham and now Flintoff as all rounders as both have won tests with bat and ball.
    Sobers NEVER won a test with the ball. Ditto Miller with the bat. Same could be said for Dev, Khan and Hadlee.

    What is much better is a batsman whom is useful with the ball or a bowler whom is useful with the bat.

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    November 1, 2006 at 11:57 am

  173. I agree re allrounders. Miller was disadvantaged by the real quality of other players in the side. Botham and Flintoff are genuine allrounders. There is the concept of the Wicketkeeping allrounder ie Gilchrest who could arguably have won a batting position in his own right. I think the Batsman who is a usefull bowler is of more use. They can win a test by taking crucial wickets. A bowler who bats will generally only get a starring role if those above have failed or the top order have belted 300+ and the lower order are trying to get it to 600+. Doug Walters and Steve Waugh spring to mind. When a the ball is old and the batsmen set to bing on a useful bowler gives the front line bowlers a chance to recover prior to the new ball.


    November 1, 2006 at 3:20 pm

  174. Looked like a good win against the blackheads last night. Despite me talking up Watson neither opener got a start.


    November 2, 2006 at 7:24 am

  175. laddie,

    cricket is played over five days and two innings.

    That wasn’t cricket

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    November 2, 2006 at 8:31 am

  176. Laddie?


    November 2, 2006 at 5:12 pm

  177. Darrel Hair is gone.South Africia, India , the west indies,Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh all voted for him to be dropped from the international umpiring panel. It was inevitable after the ball tampering fiasco.

    Could someone start a thread on this?


    November 4, 2006 at 2:30 pm

  178. this is a hairbrained idea.

    He was well within his rights as an umpire to do what he had to do.
    Unfortunately the referee made a political decision not one according to the rules.

    The ICCC is a joke and so is their CEO.

    You cannot even call a chucker for throwing now!

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    November 4, 2006 at 2:32 pm

  179. Agreed…. M Speed = arseclown and joke.

    ausssie’s behaved in a borish manner when presented with the champion’s trophy….



    November 9, 2006 at 10:43 am

  180. Phil Jacques is playing incredibly well.

    One of the real problems with the scheduling of the tests so close together is that if Jacques isn’t picked for the first test his chances of forcing his way into the side are limited. If one views the prime minister’s XI game as rubbish and the three day game as “time in the centre”, there isn’t much of an argument for Jacques to be included over Langer as an opener….but what other chances will Jacques get?

    As for Jason Gillespie he may be the only player in history to be dropped after scoring a double century in the last test.

    The game ion Perth is interesting. It isn’t just the English whop are bruittle under a sustained pace attack.


    November 13, 2006 at 8:36 am

  181. That should read “The game in Perth is interesting. It isn’t just the English who are brittle under a sustained pace attack”.


    November 13, 2006 at 8:38 am

  182. This is the most anticipated Ashes series in my memory and their matches for the Poms is nothing short of a disgrace.

    Both teams at full match practice would be another magic series.

    Perth is a disgrace now. It was ther best pitch in the world.
    It now should not have a test.

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    November 13, 2006 at 12:02 pm

  183. Aye, Homer. The ICCC has lost the plot. That’s really bad for the game everywhere.


    November 13, 2006 at 12:59 pm

  184. we now have the Murrali rule in cricket where a chucker can get wickets and all you can do is report the action!

    Umpiring chuckers is not hard it merely takes guts yet under Speed Australia tried to get rid of all umpires who would call chuckers.
    Now he is with the ICCC they are as just weekneed.

    The most remarkable thing about the Hair episode is that Hair did EXACTLY what the rules state.

    He then replied to a suggestion from the Umpires chief.

    A complete joke.

    What we should have for this series is fast bouncy pitches that eventually turn on the last day.

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    November 13, 2006 at 1:08 pm

  185. The toss will determine who wins the test, get in first bat for two days then spin the oppositon out at the wicket falls apart….if it falls apart. If it is a road, then the captains have to contrive a result or a very boring draw will be inevitable.


    November 13, 2006 at 3:02 pm

  186. Has anyone seen any reports about the WACA pitch for the Queensland -v- WA game? The Bulls won in a tidy way and it seems that the pitch had some life in it but I have not seen any reports about the pcondition of the pitch. Gilchrest’s form is concerning.

    It might be time to take a drastic step and look to some generational change. The Australian selectors have been ruthless in the past I wonder whether Gilchrest is living on borrowed time?


    November 15, 2006 at 8:16 am

  187. First test squad has been announced….clearly the selectors didn’t like the McGill option.

    Matthew Hayden, Justin Langer, Ricky Ponting (c), Damien Martyn, Mike Hussey, Shane Watson, Adam Gilchrist, Brett Lee, Shane Warne, Glenn McGrath, Stuart Clark, Mitchell Johnson, Shaun Tait (one to be omitted).


    November 16, 2006 at 1:28 pm

  188. I dunno why people like Johnson.
    He has an awful action and is nowhere near as quick as I had been led to believe.

    given the Gabba’s reputation Tait would be a far better option.
    Watson means McGrath can gradually get back to full fitness.

    What happen to the old days when England played most of the States before the first test?

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    November 16, 2006 at 1:37 pm

  189. I think Watson’s a shoe-in based on .50cal’s 13. It may be they decide to leave Stuart Clark out so they can have both Tait and Johnson as options depending on the pitch.


    November 16, 2006 at 2:22 pm

  190. Watson will get a run because of his strong batting. I still think that two spinners in Brisbane is a good option. i haven’t seen enough of johnson to make a judgement, however he does not have a ‘clean’ action. Not surprisingly Michael Clarke is gone.

    The schedule of the tests is crap.


    November 16, 2006 at 3:02 pm

  191. And having Watson around gives you a two-spin option, too. And yeah, running the tests together like that is crappy – no nice build-up between times, and more opportunity for injuries. I notice Trescothick has already been ruled out.


    November 16, 2006 at 3:35 pm

  192. Trescothick suffered a recurence of a “stress related” condition.

    The problem with nthe schedule is that it doesn’t give any out of form player a chance to play his way back into form. Nor does it allow a fringe player to force his way into the side. Unless the team is losing badly or there is injury the team will remain basicly the same for the series.

    It also stuffs things like the Australia day test in Adelaide and the first test.

    Moving the first test forward into late November puts it into the Brisbane storm season… they are having now. There are real risks of a washout.

    The Australia Day test in Adelaide was brilliant because many farmers had finished the summer harvest and could get to Adelaide.


    November 16, 2006 at 3:56 pm

  193. Moving the first test forward into late November puts it into the Brisbane storm season… they are having now. There are real risks of a washout.

    Or losing most of the last session due to a torrential downpour. Every day.


    November 16, 2006 at 4:44 pm

  194. “I think Watson’s a shoe-in”

    Ahhh…. Skeptic…. Me thinks you might have given young Shane Watson the kiss of death…..he has injured his hamstring. They usually take more that a week to repair. Which makes me wonder what you or someone else has done to Phil Jacques.

    The selectors have proven the unbelievable capacity for loyalty by putting that arseclown Michael Clarke on standby. Phil Jaques is in the form of his life and they go naturally to the midiocre blessed son.

    Phil…. if you ever happen to see this (and doubtless you won’t) you have my heart felt sympathy and unending encouragement….Make it hard for them to leave you out.


    November 19, 2006 at 10:31 am

  195. Yair I wonder who Jaques has offended, he got dumped after rescuing Australia in a one dayer last year. Clarke’s certainly playing that hundred he got in India for all it’s worth.

    I’ll wait and see on Watson. A minor strain will recover in that much time, and we don’t know how bad it is.


    November 19, 2006 at 11:42 am

  196. Matt Hayden was talking it up. However, we will have to wait Steve Harmison seems in the wars also. Michael Clarke is undoubtedly talented and capable…..but he has amends to make re the lastr ashes tour whereas Phil Jacques has done nothing wrong. In any event Michael Clarke or Jacques would be unlikely to play but I think it sends all the wrong signals to players on the fringe.


    November 19, 2006 at 2:36 pm

  197. cut it out you do not put an opener into number 6!

    Clark is the natural choice as I see it.

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    November 19, 2006 at 4:29 pm

  198. If the selectors were picking a replacement for a number six, what has Michael Clarke done to warant being selected? If he was up to par he would have made it into the original 13. What the selectors are doing is calling up a stanby player for squad of 13. It is a message from the selectors ‘We are still thinking of you”, if you like encouragement to a player who is close to selection. If the selectors play him the two who don’t make it into the 11 might as well give up and go and sell used cars.


    November 20, 2006 at 7:45 am

  199. No,
    you are being irrational he simply is the best replacement for number 6.

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    November 20, 2006 at 1:14 pm

  200. “irrational”? Do you always insult those you disagree with or are you a Deputy Principal of a High School?

    What has Michael Clarke done of recent times to suggest he will face the English bowlers any better than he did in England?


    November 20, 2006 at 2:31 pm

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